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[Ass of Can Whooping]

The difference is the said game is coming to this console, after long periods of time.

That difference means absolutely nothing. They all know what COD is. No one is going to look at it topping charts and think "wow, I can do that too"

 

[anthony2690]

Lmao buyer, 11% of 600k, email response.

Yeah it's a worthless survey.

Not going to lie, I just read source Nintendo.

But even still I feel like a lot of older gamers are playing/collecting for switch now.

When I sold my switch+ game collection, a guy in his forties came and collected for himself

Even then, whether they are interested in cod? Who knows, I think people buy Nintendo for Zelda, Mario, nintendo games.

 

[DeepEnigma]

What's the meme?

I was in the middle of editing my post, but you replied XD

I was going to say I'm surprised it's only 11% women as I know quite a few women that own a switch, mostly for animal crossing though.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Some folks in here confusing the lack of availability as a lack of demand, and using the WiiU, a well renowned failed platform, as an example of how CoD couldn't possibly work on Nintendo hardware.

It's simple really, AB doesn't need MS to bring COD to Nintendo platforms. How this evades some people is some real scooby doo stuff

 

[zzill3]

They've had over 20 years to build Xbox, and yet they are still 3rd in a field of 3. Why should they suddenly have the "right stuff" to lead the industry? Because daddy Satya is willing to open a check-book made fat by years of monopolism, sharp business practice, and yes, blatant anti-competition?

What exactly is required as the 'right stuff to lead the industry'?
Sony aren't doing anything special other than selling a lot and making exclusive contracts to keep games off rival platforms. MS can do that just as well.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm pretty sure developers and publishers are aware of the existence of the switch without needing to see COD, the chart topper, topping charts.

What they do see, is Nintendo's 1P dominance on the charts with 8-9 out of the top 10 positions with a once in the blue moon third party game.

 

[GulfCoastZilla]

COD was on Nintendo already and it was a massive flop. Are we supposed to pretend Activision stopped supporting the console even if it was selling like crazy and making millions?

A new narrative is born everyday.

What?!? When did COD ever release on switch? It dropped on every other Nintendo system but not switch.

COD Ghosts flopped on the Wii-U, but COD Ghosts flopped harder than Vanguard. Also Wii-U was a flop. Sony doesn't point that shit out though.

Mojang wasn't on Nintendo and wasn't planning on being on Nintendo until Microsoft purchased them. Now look at it.

Microsoft will put it out on Switch and Sony is scared. End story.

 

[adamsapple]

It's simple really, AB doesn't need MS to bring COD to Nintendo platforms. How this evades some people is some real scooby doo stuff

They don't need to do that, but the prospective future parent company, MS, has pledged to do that. That's their prerogative.

But using a decade old example put out on a flopped console is nowhere near a good indicator of if it will be received well or not, now. That part *SHOULD* be simple too, but apparently isn't.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Not going to lie, I just read source Nintendo.

But even still I feel like a lot of older gamers are playing/collecting for switch now.

When I sold my switch+ game collection, a guy in his forties came and collected for himself

Even then, whether they are interested in cod? Who knows, I think people buy Nintendo for Zelda, Mario, nintendo games.

For a good minute now third parties do rather poorly on Nintendo, but there are exceptions. Obviously it's no mystery why Nintendo games overcrowd everyone else, people buy Nintendo to play Nintendo. They didn't start making consoles five years ago, the industry knows how it goes.

This is no criticism, Nintendo is Nintendo.

 

[feynoob]

MS wouldn't even if have a stake in the conversation if they weren't buying ABK! Which is the point of contention.

And we wouldn't be having this conversation at all.

Yes and it goes all the way down. So if COD isn't on Switch, its because Activision have determined it isn't profitable enough for them to bother.
That being the case, wouldn't a more technologically powerful Switch 2 also incentivize an independent Activision to change their approach also?

Yes. Activision would have dropped the game on switch, if they were independent, granted the switch 2 would need to be powerful.
So this isn't a win for MS. It's a win for Nintendo.

So wait, they've already bought a bunch of studios, one of the biggest US publishers in Zenimax, have ABK in their crosshairs, but they are going to stop there?
Snapping up 2/5 huge third-party publishers is where you draw the line for what's ok?

I am against this deal, solely due to a large company buying another company. That have been my stance.
If this deal is approved, MS would be on monopoly area, should they acquire another publisher.

And the kicker of course is that all these acquisitions are being funded by MS other businesses, because historically their performance within gaming has never been particularly impressive.

They never gave a shit about gaming. It was a side gig for them.
Gamepass changed all of that.
Most of their acquisitions were solely for gamepass.

They've had over 20 years to build Xbox, and yet they are still 3rd in a field of 3. Why should they suddenly have the "right stuff" to lead the industry? Because daddy Satya is willing to open a check-book made fat by years of monopolism, sharp business practice, and yes, blatant anti-competition?

Again, I don't support this deal.
We saw MS true desire during Xbox one. that is their true color.

 

[Pelta88]

It's making billions.

Two things

1. I need a link that backs up your claim.
2. You won't provide a link and instead post PR or throw an insult as opposed to admit that you have zero evidence to back up your fanboy centric claim.

 

[ManaByte]

COD was on Nintendo already and it was a massive flop. Are we supposed to pretend Activision stopped supporting the console even if it was selling like crazy and making millions?

A new narrative is born everyday.

The last COD on a Nintendo platform was Ghosts (a HUGE flop on ALL platforms) on the Wii U which only sold 13M total units across its lifetime. Switch games today sell more copies than the entire Wii U install base in 24 hours.

 

[MaulerX]

Hey Sony, it really didn't take long to dig this up (Directly from Nintendo BTW).

 

[akimbo009]

Two things

1. I need a link that backs up your claim.
2. You won't provide a link and instead post PR or throw an insult as opposed to admit that you have zero evidence to back up your fanboy centric claim.

Nice presumptions. You can Google just as well as anyone... But to help you.

Xbox Game Pass earned almost $3 billion revenue on consoles in 2021

Brazilian regulators have recently given insight into Microsoft's 2021 earnings on consoles from Xbox Game Pass.

www.pocketgamer.biz

 

[feynoob]

That difference means absolutely nothing. They all know what COD is. No one is going to look at it topping charts and think "wow, I can do that too"

It does.
It gave Nintendo enough publicity with this stunt.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

The last COD on a Nintendo platform was Ghosts (a HUGE flop on ALL platforms) on the Wii U which only sold 13M total units across its lifetime. Switch games today sell more copies than the entire Wii U install base in 24 hours.

COD's been a flop on multiple Nintendo consoles. Cherry-picking the Wii U doesn't change that

 

[NickFire]

Hey Sony, it really didn't take long to dig this up (Directly from Nintendo BTW).

I do think Switch has a lot more older players than the average person would guess. But on the other hand, I can't be the only person who created accounts for kids and used fake birthdates to avoid parental control stuff.

 

[adamsapple]

Nice presumptions. You can Google just as well as anyone... But to help you.

Xbox Game Pass earned almost $3 billion revenue on consoles in 2021

Brazilian regulators have recently given insight into Microsoft's 2021 earnings on consoles from Xbox Game Pass.

www.pocketgamer.biz

Pelta knows, he made multiple, inaccurate, posts in the topic about that $2.9 bn revenue topic on GAF as well.

Facts are only a mere inconvenience to him.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

It does.
It gave Nintendo enough publicity with this stunt.

That publicity translates to absolutely nothing when comes to third party support

 

[Pelta88]

Nice presumptions. You can Google just as well as anyone... But to help you.

Xbox Game Pass earned almost $3 billion revenue on consoles in 2021

Brazilian regulators have recently given insight into Microsoft's 2021 earnings on consoles from Xbox Game Pass.

www.pocketgamer.biz

You said it's making billions. Then posted a link about revenue...

I get the feeling that you think revenue and profit are one and the same. If so, I honestly can't have a conversation with you about the difference. For the record, Microsoft has been hiding XBOX profits in every earnings report since 2013. A number they previously used to post, proudly.

 

[Clear]

What exactly is required as the 'right stuff to lead the industry'?

Vision, competence creatively and business wise, the ability to create market growth for all participants.

Sony aren't doing anything special other than selling a lot and making exclusive contracts to keep games off rival platforms. MS can do that just as well.

But they aren't the ones snapping up major third-party publishers! Which is the key point to all of this.

Why are Xbox spending billions on acquiring third-party publishers as opposed to growing their business organically? Who else is doing that?

Making singular exclusivity arrangements and buying major publishers are two entirely different things. If you don't recognize that... this convo is going nowhere.

 

[jufonuk]

Sorry if I'm coming of as antagonist. I'm trying not to.

 

[DarkMage619]

Of all the examples you bring, you bring that lmao

Whatever floats your boat.

I didn't make the claim the system was all about family friendly titles and not a competitor.

 

[feynoob]

That publicity translates to absolutely nothing when comes to third party support

I am not going to have repeat again with topic.
This news is going to have an impact with 3rd party.

That is it.
End of my topic.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

This news is going to have an impact with 3rd party.

It won't

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

I didn't make the claim the system was all about family friendly titles and not a competitor.

I don't think anyone is buying a PS or an Xbox to wank to underaged cat girls either

 

[feynoob]

You said it's making billions. Then posted a link about revenue...

I get the feeling that you think revenue and profit are one and the same. If so, I honestly can't have a conversation with you about the difference. For the record, Microsoft has been hiding XBOX profits in every earnings report since 2013. A number they previously used to post, proudly.

Dude, let not go down there.
It's not worth it.

Their profit means shit to us.

 

[Banjo64]

The most important one:

Unionization.

If all the noise around it is actually something meaningful.....yep, is going to be chaos to all game development.

This is the big one. Outsourcing to China, Korea, India, etc, like a mofo.

Am I misunderstanding? The UK and western EU workforce is heavily unionised with fantastic employee rights. Didn't stop MS from buying Rare, Ninja Theory and Playground.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Am I misunderstanding? The UK and western EU workforce is heavily unionised with fantastic employee rights. Didn't stop MS from buying Rare, Ninja Theory and Playground.

And these companies won't retain their 2,000+ workforce. They will be consolidated more and the already outsourcing they do, will grow.

 

[akimbo009]

You said it's making billions. Then posted a link about revenue...

I get the feeling that you think revenue and profit are one and the same. If so, I honestly can't have a conversation with you about the difference. For the record, Microsoft has been hiding XBOX profits in every earnings report since 2013. A number they previously used to post, proudly.

eyeroll.gif

 

[feynoob]

And these companies won't retain their 2,000+ workforce. They will be consolidated more and the already outsourcing they do, will grow.

Especially with work home program.
It's gonna be disaster in the future.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Especially with work home program.
It's gonna be disaster in the future.

Yep.

 

[zzill3]

Vision, competence creatively and business wise, the ability to create market growth for all participants.

Do you really think MS don't have any of those things where Sony have them all?

But they aren't the ones snapping up major third-party publishers! Which is the key point to all of this.

Why are Xbox spending billions on acquiring third-party publishers as opposed to growing their business organically? Who else is doing that?

Making singular exclusivity arrangements and buying major publishers are two entirely different things. If you don't recognize that... this convo is going nowhere.

Xbox are spending billions to acquire publishers as well as growing their business organically, the two things are not mutually exclusive.
No one else is doing it because no one else can afford to, but I'd bet you my house that if Sony could afford to they would have beat MS to buying Activision.

If your problem is merely the number of exclusivity arrangements as a result of this deal, just think of the ABK purchase as MS giving ABK $70 billion in exchange for ongoing indefinite singular exclusivity arrangements for every game they plan to release forever in the future.

That makes it ok, right? Or is it just a problem for you when it's anyone other than Sony buying the exclusivity?

 

[DarkMage619]

I don't think anyone is buying a PS or an Xbox to wank to underaged cat girls either

Bottom line is the Switch has adult oriented games just like PS and Xbox and it is just as much a gaming console as the other two. It was always nonsense to try and deny that.

 

[quest]

A new internal report from MLex says this:

Microsoft's Call of Duty deal with Nintendo is misleading, Sony argues

Sony has criticized Microsoft's deal to make the game Call of Duty available on Nintendo — should its $69 billion acquisition of Activision Blizzard be approved by regulators — as smoke and mirrors, MLex has learned.

Activision Blizzard could supply Call of Duty to Nintendo today, but doesn't, because Nintendo's younger audience is not interested in the first-person shooter and a previous version of the game on its console was a commercial flop, the arch critic of the deal says, MLex understands.

Instead of being a logical business decision, the licensing agreement is a tactic designed to make Microsoft — whose acquisition has drawn concerns in the EU, UK and US — look cooperative with regulators, the argument goes.

Furthermore, Nintendo's Switch could not run Call of Duty easily and may never be able to, Sony argues, MLex understands. Developing a version of the game compatible with the Switch could take years, making a 10-year licensing deal meaningless.

It is easier for Nintendo to enter into such an agreement, Sony says, MLex has learned. Nintendo doesn't need to worry about equal treatment for its subscription service or cloud gaming service as those are not areas where it currently competes aggressively, the argument goes.

Holy crap jimbo has reached a new level of dilutions. He doesn't compete aggressively with gamepass he wants to stop its growth by blocking games to gamepass not improve his shit service. Equal treatment he doesn't give his own first party equal treatment but expects the world to keep the status quo so he can stay on top.

 

[Topher]

Bottom line is the Switch has adult oriented games just like PS and Xbox and it is just as much a gaming console as the other two. It was always nonsense to try and deny that.

What is nonsense is the suggestion that pointing out the demonstrably different types of games that are popular on Switch equates to saying Switch is not a gaming console.

 

[feynoob]

FYI.
Stop calling me a supporter for your either systems.
I am not Xbox/PS fan. I don't belong to either of your group, and it's annoying people calling me that.
This is a gaming website, and I talk accordingly to this forum topics.

If I support anything, it would be Arsenal (huge pain for me). Nothing else.

I am just your average dude who plays too much fifa on his ps5 these days (yes, I am normie).

Don't have a leg on this deal, and it doesn't bring me any benefits. Not do I care who owns Activision.
I just want this shit to end at this point.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Bottom line is the Switch has adult oriented games just like PS and Xbox and it is just as much a gaming console as the other two. It was always nonsense to try and deny that.

I actually agree the switch's audience leans towards adults.

I just had to laugh at your choice of games lmao. We're talking about adults. Not degenerates

 

[Banjo64]

FYI.
Stop calling me a supporter for your either systems.
I am not Xbox/PS fan. I don't belong to either of your group, and it's annoying people calling me that.
This is a gaming website, and I talk accordingly to this forum topics.

If I support anything, it would be Arsenal (huge pain for me). Nothing else.

I am just your average dude who plays too much fifa on his ps5 these days (yes, I am normie).

Don't have a leg on this deal, and it doesn't bring me any benefits. Not do I care who owns Activision.
I just want this shit to end at this point.

That's what a fanboy would say.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Do you really think MS don't have any of those things where Sony have them all?



Xbox are spending billions to acquire publishers as well as growing their business organically, the two things are not mutually exclusive.
No one else is doing it because no one else can afford to, but I'd bet you my house that if Sony could afford to they would have beat MS to buying Activision.

If your problem is merely the number of exclusivity arrangements as a result of this deal, just think of the ABK purchase as MS giving ABK $70 billion in exchange for ongoing indefinite singular exclusivity arrangements for every game they plan to release forever in the future.

That makes it ok, right? Or is it just a problem for you when it's anyone other than Sony buying the exclusivity?

Excellent way of putting it for people to understand. Great Post.

Some users have said MS can pay for exclusivity deals if they really want them and can pay more than Sony has to pay. So with your clever idea I second your point and advise those users to imagine that MS just got fed up and decided to pay Activision Blizzard and king for a deal to ensure all their games come to gamepass day one and any exclusive content will be on xbox.

Fair deal now right?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

FYI.
Stop calling me a supporter for your either systems.
I am not Xbox/PS fan. I don't belong to either of your group, and it's annoying people calling me that.
This is a gaming website, and I talk accordingly to this forum topics.

If I support anything, it would be Arsenal (huge pain for me). Nothing else.

I am just your average dude who plays too much fifa on his ps5 these days (yes, I am normie).

Don't have a leg on this deal, and it doesn't bring me any benefits. Not do I care who owns Activision.
I just want this shit to end at this point.

The indecisive are the ones who die first. Best pick a side while you still can

 

[DeepEnigma]

What is nonsense is the suggestion that pointing out the demonstrably different types of games that are popular on Switch equates to saying Switch is not a gaming console.

That's how one always moves the goalposts and argues in bad faith. Especially when you're practically PR.

 

[Ozriel]

And these companies won't retain their 2,000+ workforce. They will be consolidated more and the already outsourcing they do, will grow.

Aren't these companies expanding under Microsoft ?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Aren't these companies expanding under Microsoft ?

Are they currently unionized?

 

[Kagey K]

Excellent way of putting it for people to understand. Great Post.

Some users have said MS can pay for exclusivity deals if they really want them and can pay more than Sony has to pay. So with your clever idea I second your point and advise those users to imagine that MS just got fed up and decided to pay Activision Blizzard and king for a deal to ensure all their games come to gamepass day one and any exclusive content will be on xbox.

Fair deal now right?

It's like paying for right of first refusal in perpetuity, and in exchange you get to decide what gets greenlight and fully fund it yourself.

 

[NickFire]

Are they currently unionized?

I don't think MS is too worried about unions. They might already be one step ahead of them anyway.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/micr...king-and-influencing-player-emotions.1646559/

 

[DarkMage619]

What is nonsense is the suggestion that pointing out the demonstrably different types of games that are popular on Switch equates to saying Switch is not a gaming console.

I'm not the one arguing that the Switch wasn't in competition with PlayStation and Xbox like it doesn't cost both time and money. I didn't argue that Xbox was third in the console market at the same time arguing it wasn't in competition with Switch at all. All three consoles have features and modes that are unique to each platform and it is clear that the only reason people are trying to set the Switch apart is to support Sony's argument that CoD is critical to success of a gaming system which was always a ridiculous assertion. THAT is nonsense.

 

[DeepEnigma]

 

[feynoob]

The indecisive are the ones who die first. Best pick a side while you still can

Arsenal is enough for me. I cant handle another heart attack.
Even Bo_Hazem had more attacks from MU, compared to Sony.

 

[Punished Miku]

I'm not the one arguing that the Switch wasn't in competition with PlayStation and Xbox like it doesn't cost both time and money. I didn't argue that Xbox was third in the console market at the same time arguing it wasn't in competition with Switch at all. All three consoles have features and modes that are unique to each platform and it is clear that the only reason people are trying to set the Switch apart is to support Sony's argument that CoD is critical to success of a gaming system which was always a ridiculous assertion. THAT is nonsense.

Exactly. It's a losing argument either way.

• Call of Duty is critical to any gaming platform!
  • Well no, because Nintendo is doing fine.
• Call of Duty is critical to any gaming platform!
  • Fine, they all have 10 year contracts.
    • Doesn't count! Sales on Nintendo platforms suck and they don't like it.

It's an endless circle of nonsense.