Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?

  • Yes, will be approved without changes.

    Votes: 221 24.9%

  • Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.

    Votes: 102 11.5%

  • Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.

    Votes: 262 29.6%

  • No, will not be approved.

    Votes: 301 34.0%
  • Total voters
    886
  • Poll closed .
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ManaByte said:
So now being #3 in an industry is too big. I look forward to the US government going after the #1 and #2 publishers to break them up after this.
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They acquired Zenimax and their big titles have yet to be released on the Xbox platform. Now you have Activision, which holds one of the biggest games in the industry.

People are judging their #3 position as it currently stands right now when it's clearly going to improve in the future, especially if Call of Duty is exclusive to the Xbox platform and included in the Game Pass subscription.

When people bring up their #3 position, they're basically telling you to ignore what's going to happen in the future and that's not going to work.

Microsoft playing innocent and people are eating their every words. People know they're trying to dominate the gaming market while trying to run everyone else out.
 
DForce said:
People are judging their #3 position as it currently stands right now when it's clearly going to improve in the future, especially if Call of Duty is exclusive to the Xbox platform and included in the Game Pass subscription.

When people bring up their #3 position, they're basically telling you to ignore what's going to happen in the future and that's not going to work.
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Even after the purchase they'll still be #3 and only have 12% of the industry after Tencent and Sony.
 
DForce said:
They acquired Zenimax and their big titles have yet to be released on the Xbox platform. Now you have Activision, which holds one of the biggest games in the industry.

People are judging their #3 position as it currently stands right now when it's clearly going to improve in the future, especially if Call of Duty is exclusive to the Xbox platform and included in the Game Pass subscription.

When people bring up their #3 position, they're basically telling you to ignore what's going to happen in the future and that's not going to work.

Microsoft playing innocent and people are eating their every words. People know they're trying to dominate the gaming market while trying to run everyone else out.
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What s wrong with them being number 1 eventually doesn't mean Sony or Nintendo or anyone else Apple can't enter the market if they choose to. That's the whole point of competition. This shake up is needed to push other companies to do other things. I actually want COD to get a break from annual releases and for other companies to come up with better shooters to challenge COD. Activision being independent means no ones going to want to take that challenge which is not how the industry should be staying stagnant. Status quo is not good either.
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
Guys. Even if you are a super hardcore Sony fan...you gotta see that this deal is good for everyone..
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ManaByte said:
Even after the purchase they'll still be #3 and only have 12% of the industry after Tencent and Sony.
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You don't know that. What we do know is that they'll improve tremendously. This also doesn't stop them from buying more studios to improve their chances even more.

- They were less than 1-3 million apart between PS3.
- They finished second last generation ahead of the WiiU.
- They're currently on pace to outsell the 360.

Things don't always remain the same and things can change rapidly. They own Starfield, Elder Scrolls, Doom, Fallout. If this deal happens, then they'll own Overwatch, Call of Duty, Warcraft, and Diablo
 
ManaByte said:
Even after the purchase they'll still be #3 and only have 12% of the industry after Tencent and Sony.
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You are forgetting the revenue dip and ripple impact it will have on Sony as well as others. You are arguing in only one direction and not covering all the context and nuance.
 
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DeepEnigma said:
What point?
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Retarded 'arguments' against this deal.

DeepEnigma said:
Make a point instead of responding with nothing.
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That would depend of what kind of person you are.

If you are a hardcore Playstation fanboy that the mere idea of MS "winning" something makes you sick to the core. Well, how the hell I am supposed to have a conversation about it. That is why I said that you could even see this deal as a trap for MS.

if you are a logical person that is able to see "all the context and nuance" you will arrive to the conclusion that this deal is beneficial to the industry and consumers.
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
if you are a logical person that is able to see "all the context and nuance" you will arrive to the conclusion that this deal is beneficial to the industry and consumers.
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Okay. The rest of your drivel is just that. Drivel.

Logically you don't give one company with a storied history, the keys to all of the third party kingdom.
 
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SSfox said:
So it's not just us, literally everyone is tired of MS blahblah
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What else were they going to say that they haven't already said in public and to the CMA and EU?

They are so focused on Sony that they are failing to see the real reasons they're having trouble getting this deal over the line.

I find it hilarious that they keep on blindly offering Sony more and more stuff without even first clarifying whether or not what they're offering will be sufficient with the various regulators. At this point they are just flinging shit at a wall and hoping something sticks.
 
GHG said:
What else were they going to say that they haven't already said in public and to the CMA and EU?

They are so focused on Sony that they are failing to see the real reasons they're having trouble getting this deal over the line.

I find it hilarious that they keep on blindly offering Sony more and more stuff without even first clarifying whether or not what they're offering will be sufficient with the various regulators. At this point they are just flinging shit at a wall and hoping something sticks.
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Which is why they wanted to meet with the FTC... To have a discussion about what concessions need to be made for their approval. You answered your own question.
 
analog_future said:
Which is why they wanted to meet with the FTC... To have a discussion about what concessions need to be made for their approval. You answered your own question.
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The FTC is not focused on Sony, nor does this have anything to do with Sony. That is the error of the totally not a console war company (according to Phil).
 
analog_future said:
Which is why they wanted to meet with the FTC... To have a discussion about what concessions need to be made for their approval. You answered your own question.
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So how about stop offering shit around until they know what's required? They might reflect on all of this and realise they didn't need to even offer Sony what they have at this point. I'm not sure whether all of this is desperation or just basic incompetence.
 
GHG said:
So how about stop offering shit around until they know what's required? They might reflect on all of this and realise they didn't need to even offer Sony what they have at this point. I'm not sure whether all of this is desperation or just basic incompetence.
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I noticed the last two years did a number, not just a child development and communication, but also how businesses engage and conduct business in the public spotlight. Made everyone a little loco.
 
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GHG said:
What else were they going to say that they haven't already said in public and to the CMA and EU?

They are so focused on Sony that they are failing to see the real reasons they're having trouble getting this deal over the line.

I find it hilarious that they keep on blindly offering Sony more and more stuff without even first clarifying whether or not what they're offering will be sufficient with the various regulators. At this point they are just flinging shit at a wall and hoping something sticks.
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Sometime back someone posted a schedule suggesting the break up fee escalates beginning in January. Something like 2 Billion if they end the deal in January, 2.5 later on, and 3 by some point in the summer I think. If that schedule was accurate, then they have a literal billion reasons to figure out where they stand with FTC right now, which would make a PR blitz worth their time. Any reaction from politicians, FTC, or even solid public sentiment could prove very useful if EU gives a green light when analyzing the risk of waiting for FTC proceedings as relates to break up fee.

All that said, I do find the PR blitz funny at times. Unfortunately, it is usually at how quickly people are to accept PR without questioning it.
 
NickFire said:
Sometime back someone posted a schedule suggesting the break up fee escalates beginning in January. Something like 2 Billion if they end the deal in January, 2.5 later on, and 3 by some point in the summer I think. If that schedule was accurate, then they have a literal billion reasons to figure out where they stand with FTC right now, which would make a PR blitz worth their time. Any reaction from politicians, FTC, or even solid public sentiment could prove very useful if EU gives a green light when analyzing the risk of waiting for FTC proceedings as relates to break up fee.

All that said, I do find the PR blitz funny at times. Unfortunately, it is usually at how quickly people are to accept PR without questioning it.
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That would explain it then. Money is on the line with every passing day. It's always money.
 
GHG said:
So how about stop offering shit around until they know what's required? They might reflect on all of this and realise they didn't need to even offer Sony what they have at this point. I'm not sure whether all of this is desperation or just basic incompetence.
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Maybe it's not about offering Sony the bare minimum possible, but just getting Sony to want to sign?
You're thinking in terms of Microsoft wanting to harm Sony as much as possible, when you should be thinking about Microsoft wanting to get the deal closed as soon as possible.

If Sony drop their objection to the deal, it makes any regulators wanting to block the deal less likely. If MS have to offer more than is necessary to get that done, so what?
 
DeepEnigma said:
They're (the FTC) not focused on Sony. MS is the one constantly focused on Sony. This move by the FTC goes far beyond the standard console war zeitgeist you pretend to not be stuck in
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😆 that's is what I am saying.

If you look beyond "console war zeitgeist you pretend to not be stuck in"

You will see that this deal should be move forward.

Then your own hilariously hypocrite words:
DeepEnigma said:
You are forgetting the revenue dip and ripple impact it will have on Sony as well as others. You are arguing in only one direction and not covering all the context and nuance.
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Then you will know what is the agenda behind the FTC behavior.
 
R3claimer117 said:
What s wrong with them being number 1 eventually doesn't mean Sony or Nintendo or anyone else Apple can't enter the market if they choose to. That's the whole point of competition. This shake up is needed to push other companies to do other things. I actually want COD to get a break from annual releases and for other companies to come up with better shooters to challenge COD. Activision being independent means no ones going to want to take that challenge which is not how the industry should be staying stagnant. Status quo is not good either.
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My issue is not about them potentially being number 1.

My issue is with Microsoft playing the victim and their fans eating it up, even though Xbox fans were going around telling everyone that Sony was in trouble.
 
zzill3 said:
Maybe it's not about offering Sony the bare minimum possible, but just getting Sony to want to sign?
You're thinking in terms of Microsoft wanting to harm Sony as much as possible, when you should be thinking about Microsoft wanting to get the deal closed as soon as possible.

If Sony drop their objection to the deal, it makes any regulators wanting to block the deal less likely. If MS have to offer more than is necessary to get that done, so what?
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Why would Sony sign on to anything when they know the longer this drags on for Microsoft the more difficult it gets?

They aren't signing shit, they will let the regulators decide for them what concessions need to be agreed.
 
DForce said:
My issue is not about them potentially being number 1.

My issue is with Microsoft playing the victim and their fans eating it up, even though Xbox fans were going around telling everyone that Sony was in trouble.
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How are they playing the victim? It's business no less then Sony's doing for their business as well by saying one game will end their business.
 
DeepEnigma said:
I am looking beyond, and I don't think it should.
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Because you are looking through your own bias.
DeepEnigma said:
The floodgates should not be established.
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The floodgates for more competition, better work conditions, more studios to be created, lower prices, more creativity, different business models?.

I have been following this and related threads..And there is not even a good single argument that proves this deal is bad.
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
Retarded 'arguments' against this deal.


That would depend of what kind of person you are.

If you are a hardcore Playstation fanboy that the mere idea of MS "winning" something makes you sick to the core. Well, how the hell I am supposed to have a conversation about it. That is why I said that you could even see this deal as a trap for MS.

if you are a logical person that is able to see "all the context and nuance" you will arrive to the conclusion that this deal is beneficial to the industry and consumers.
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Thank goodness I never take what you say seriously
 
GHG said:
Why would Sony sign on to anything when they know the longer this drags on for Microsoft the more difficult it gets?

They aren't signing shit, they will let the regulators decide for them what concessions need to be agreed.
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Because like you said, the regulators may not even require half the stuff MS are offering.
If Sony refuse to sign a 10 year agreement MS are offering, and then it goes to the regulators and for whatever reason those regulators say that 3 years is good enough, Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

A number of regulators have passed the deal with no concessions, one is suing but has not said what they would consider acceptable, and others are still deciding.
If you were Sony, would you take Microsoft's deal as it is or hope that the remaining regulators make them offer a better one?
 
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R3claimer117 said:
How are they playing the victim? It's business no less then Sony's doing for their business as well by saying one game will end their business.
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"Microsoft Exec Says Xbox's Activision Deal Is Fair Because PlayStation Has Way More Exclusives"
"Phil Spencer claims PlayStation wants to grow 'by making Xbox smaller'"

You play the victim by going to the media and saying PlayStation wants to grow by making Xbox smaller when they want to do the exact same thing with their brand.

You also play the victim by saying Sony has more exclusives when you know you just acquired a Zenimax and are planning to have more with the Activision deal.

Microsoft is trying to appear innocent and make Sony appear like a bad corporation when people with common sense know what Microsoft's intentions are.
 
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GHG said:
So how about stop offering shit around until they know what's required? They might reflect on all of this and realise they didn't need to even offer Sony what they have at this point. I'm not sure whether all of this is desperation or just basic incompetence.
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This is MS, it's both.
 
ChorizoPicozo said:
😆 that's is what I am saying.

If you look beyond "console war zeitgeist you pretend to not be stuck in"

You will see that this deal should be move forward.

Then your own hilariously hypocrite words:

Then you will know what is the agenda behind the FTC behavior.
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Please explain to us why seizing control of the major third party publisher and making it exclusive to one platform is good for the industry? I'd like to see some data proving that. Can you provide it?
 
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