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[solidus12]

I'm here for the corporate memes

She has a crush on Phil or something?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I'm here for the corporate memes

I don't care if it goes through or not but this shit here I am all in for

 

[demigod]

Not enough crazy. Who did this to her?

So she is repeating the same line that ms fed them. I know of certain fans that do that as well.

 

[Three]

To be fair, regulators made this scenario of excluding Nintendo from the console market.

Using internal MS documents who excluded them already.

What Brad failed to to though is include 'console' in the title of his poster and mention he's tallying PS4 sales from 2013. Doesn't mean much if they have replaced it with a PS5 and are being counted twice.

What regulators also care about are the PC users. Those he has subbed to their services. Those don't show on his little graph.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Fuck me. Lulu coming with the memes. Sony just got hit with a crazy combo....are they down for the count?...tune in next week for another exciting round of corpo wars!

All depends on the regulators IMO.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Great day for game pass subscribers

 

[Gobjuduck]

And Microsoft just responded to it*

They are addressing regulators.

 

[Mr Moose]

They are addressing regulators.

No they aren't, they do that in private.

 

[Riky]

Regarding MS’ going full party on Nintendo topic



Also

Some dreams just got shattered.

 

[Clintizzle]

I'm here for the corporate memes

Cute. Crazy. Has memes.

I like.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Lots of folks on here kept saying Nvidia was against the deal. Kept saying the evidence they were as resistant to this deal as Sony was was flimsy at best. Today's agreement is proof that I was correct.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...unce-expansive-new-gaming-deal-301752099.html

"The partnership delivers increased choice to gamers and resolves NVIDIA's concerns with Microsoft's acquisition of Activision Blizzard. NVIDIA therefore is offering its full support for regulatory approval of the acquisition."

Smith is being disingenuous or a complete idiot. His tweet was pointing to all xbox games being on Nintendo whereas the deal only said CoD. Like i said, clowns.

I'm sure you know better than Microsoft's highly experienced lawyer and President, Brad Smith. You seem upset that it appears a world in which the deal is a reality is closer and closer to looking quite likely.

 

[demigod]

I'm still waiting for Dead Rising 3 on PS. See how that works

You and me brother.

 

[Sanepar]

Cry me a river, Xbox users have been dealing with less choice all of PS4 and now PS5 gen. Still waiting for FF7.

That was never a signed deal, it was never promised, it was never offered. Why are you holding on to it?

Point is just like Minecraft continues to be Multiplat, COD will probably stay that with many Blizz titles. Single player games do well with exclusivity not multiplayer games.

Move on from ff bullshit. Cod is bigger than any franchise besides gta. No one is dumb here.

 

[Topher]

They are addressing regulators.

Incorrect

 

[GHG]

Lots of folks on here kept saying Nvidia was against the deal. Kept saying the evidence they were as resistant to this deal as Sony was was flimsy at best. Today's agreement is proof that I was correct.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...unce-expansive-new-gaming-deal-301752099.html





I'm sure you know better than Microsoft's highly experienced lawyer and President, Brad Smith. You seem upset that it appears a world in which the deal is a reality is closer and closer to looking quite likely.

What you highlighted literally says "resolves concerns".

What do you think that would have meant?

 

[Mr Moose]

Lots of folks on here kept saying Nvidia was against the deal. Kept saying the evidence they were as resistant to this deal as Sony was was flimsy at best. Today's agreement is proof that I was correct.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...unce-expansive-new-gaming-deal-301752099.html





I'm sure you know better than Microsoft's highly experienced lawyer and President, Brad Smith. You seem upset that it appears a world in which the deal is a reality is closer and closer to looking quite likely.

Nvidia said Nvidia was against the deal... Did you read what you quoted?

 

[IllegalLemon]

Doesn't look like they're willing to go beyond 10 years either, which wasn't good enough for the CMA.

This 10 year stuff is what pushed the CMA into opposing the deal in the first place & if they(MS), refuses to change their stance on the matter and accept remedies proposed, then the CMA will block the deal and MS' dreams of owning ABK will collapse. Especially since they're doubling down on refusing to divesting (which is potentially one of the remedies proposed). CMA isn't going easy on them, & it seems the EC is close to a checkmate. MS' refusal and insistence is only making things worse.

 

[Banjo64]

Lots of folks on here kept saying Nvidia was against the deal. Kept saying the evidence they were as resistant to this deal as Sony was was flimsy at best. Today's agreement is proof that I was correct.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...unce-expansive-new-gaming-deal-301752099.html

I don’t think you’ve been correct about anything yet in this thread.

Wow, company that’s offered a boat load of free games/guarenteed money completely string free on their service for the next 10 years suddenly support something. Who’d have guessed.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

The concern was MS monopoly on cloud gaming.
This still doesn't address the other 2 parties that are actual cloud companies (Luna, plus the dead stadia).
This is more of PR stunt for them.
"Here we are putting our games on GeForce. See we don't have a monopoly on cloud gaming".

But in reality, those users would have to actually buy those games, compared to gamepass users who only pay a sub month for all those cloud games.

OK then, I think you and I are actually on the same page then. Sorry for misconstruing some of your argument in the other posts, I thought you were bringing up the Nvidia deal as proof to validate MS's moves being enough to get the deal approved.

Personally I think they would help, but they aren't enough on their own. Especially since the Nintendo one turns out to be the exact same 10-year deal we already knew about months ago.

Fundamentally not true - there is nothing in the nature of MS completing this purchase that allows a singular game to expand that couldn't also be done with ATVI remaining independent. MS signed a deal with an asset they do not yet own. This is not something the regulators will buy for a singular second - most of them were fully aware of these deals before MS announced today that NVidia and Nintendo had signed.

ATVI could decide literally tomorrow to put their games on xCloud/GFN/Luna, Switch and Switch 2 as well, GamePass & PS+ also as well. There is nothing stopping them *right now* from doing all of those things. This deal doesn't allow a single one of them from happening, any moreso than keeping them independent would.

The only thing stopping ABK is that they'd have to use their own financial resources (money) to do those Switch ports, and would risk losing their own revenue streams through suppressed direct sales due to making the games available on a service Day 1.

But if they get bought by Microsoft, suddenly it's no longer ABK's revenue on the line; it's Microsoft's. But gaming revenue is pocket change for Microsoft, so it's not really a risk for them as a whole. That's why ABK would suddenly be more than OK with Day 1 on a service; they don't need to operate in their best interests as an independent 3P publisher any longer.

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She really wants that vacation money to pull through. Retirement money too, given how much is up.

True, and Sony announce-drop of SoP after months of radio silence signifies this

Maybe. Just gonna say it's a coincidence for now and not much else. That SoP seems mainly for PSVR2 and that launches tomorrow.

GG

No, Charles Dutton isn't clapping for this

Regarding MS’ going full party on Nintendo topic



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OK that clears things up. Was reading too much into it beforehand. Then their deals with Nvidia & Nintendo don't really signify anything beyond what they were offering months ago. The Nintendo one is a rehash of the earlier 10-year offer after all.

At least there’s some link between FF7 and Sony with the original being made for the PS1.

That and Sony actually published FF VII WW for the PS1.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

I'm here for the corporate memes

I fucking love this lady. The End.

 

[Topher]

I don’t think you’ve been correct about anything yet in this thread.

Wow, company that’s offered a boat load of free games/guarenteed money completely string free on their service for the next 10 years suddenly support something. Who’d have guessed.

Seriously. If there was going to be one company who entered this fray angling how they could best serve themselves in all this, it was always going to be Nvidia.

The End.

eh....who am I kidding?

 

[GHG]

I don’t think you’ve been correct about anything yet in this thread.

Wow, company that’s offered a boat load of free games/guarenteed money completely string free on their service for the next 10 years suddenly support something. Who’d have guessed.

To be fair, based on how Nvidia's service operates any agreements they get with publishers should be string free.

Now a bunch of people who only use GeForce Now to play games will be able to purchase Microsoft/Bethesda/Activision games and play them. That benefits Microsoft more than anyone else.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Nvidia said Nvidia was against the deal... Did you read what you quoted?

You aren't reading carefully. People have been trying to present Nvidia as JUST as big an objector to the deal as Sony. Nvidia took the deal Sony thus far has refused to take.

So, no, do your homework and read what I said. Otherwise we'll just go in circles. Nvidia was NEVER against this deal to the same extent Sony was. Nvidia was satisfied with just that deal alone.

 

[Topher]

You aren't reading carefully. People have been trying to present Nvidia as JUST as big an objector to the deal as Sony. Nvidia took the deal Sony thus far has refused to take.

So, no, do your homework and read what I said. Otherwise we'll just go in circles. Nvidia was NEVER against this deal to the same extent Sony was. Nvidia was satisfied with just that deal alone.

Who in their right mind said Nvidia was against this deal just as much as Sony? Sounds to me like you are just inventing ways to say "I was right".

 

[Mr Moose]

You aren't reading carefully. People have been trying to present Nvidia as JUST as big an objector to the deal as Sony. Nvidia took the deal Sony thus far has refused to take.

So, no, do your homework and read what I said. Otherwise we'll just go in circles. Nvidia was NEVER against this deal to the same extent Sony was. Nvidia was satisfied with just that deal alone.

Of course they weren't against it the same level as Sony and now they've got what they wanted they are no longer caring.

 

[splattered]

What you highlighted literally says "resolves concerns".

What do you think that would have meant?

Nvidia said Nvidia was against the deal... Did you read what you quoted?

Nvidia can raise concerns without being fully against the deal... they had questions, Microsoft answered them on paper, and now there are no more concerns. Doesn't mean they were "against" the deal and ready to go to court over this.

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

Now I might be wrong but the CMA mentioned that MS is already the biggest player in cloud gaming and aquiring ABK would just make this worse.

So to offer remedies MS will now offer Cloud Gaming to Nintendo (which will only increase their Cloud gaming business) and partnering with Nvidia to allow their games on the "competing" cloud gaming plattform. Which isn't really the same but I digress.

And they probably offered Somy something similar like Nintendo.

This would make them the defacto cloud gaming provider. How does this help their case regarding the CMA?

Sure these deals with Nintendo, Sony and Nvidia are legal and regulators can't do much about that. But this strategy is contrary to CMAs objections?

Am I wrong on this? Am I the stupid one?

 

[GHG]

Who in their right mind said Nvidia was against this deal just as much as Sony? Sounds to me like you are just inventing ways to say "I was right".

All I ever remember people saying was that Sony weren't the only ones against the deal (or the only ones who raised concerns with regulators).

Nvidia can raise concerns without being fully against the deal... they had questions, Microsoft answered them on paper, and now there are no more concerns. Doesn't mean they were "against" the deal and ready to go to court over this.

Ready to go to court? My friend, the only court case that will potentially come about because of this is Microsoft vs regulators, not Microsoft vs third parties/competitors.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Wait, it's windows store only? That's as good as useless then if it doesn't include steam purchases.

Lol, no wonder Microsoft were willing to do this deal. If anything this would boost purchases from the Windows Store for games on it.

That's not actually a bad deal in isolation; in the context of appeasing regulators for the acquisition though, yeah, it's essentially worthless feels like.

Heres the logical hole in the argument MS seems to have 0 answer for, when touting marketshare stats like this.

MS is arguing that this deal is simply to open up which platforms these games are available on. The core argument they presented today is two-fold: the ATVI purchase is both a) great for consumers because it will enable more users gain access to these games whereever they play, and b) this is great for the laborers and unions within ATVI.

Heres the problem: none of ATVI's output is exclusive to Sony, meaning hey - its not like this deal will facilitate expanded support moreso than these two remaining independent would. CoD isn't PS exclusive, its available anywhere ATVI wants to put it. If CoD or anything else ATVI publishes is not on some storefront or platform, that was ATVI's decision.

So now, MS is saying oh, btw, heres how badly we are being beaten by Sony in the console marketshare space in Europe. Loads of charts and figures pertaining to this. Okay great - now, lets suppose then that MS buys ATVI; if MS is getting 0 exclusivity from this purchase, then why would this deal affect this marketshare split? If MS is truly genuine that this is merely to grow where their titles will be available, how do they intend on having this purchase facilitate them growing their marketshare in that region WITHOUT limiting the places in which this software releases on? MS claims this is Sony trying to enshrine their marketshare position, and yet, by saying so, they are directly saying that this purchase would threaten Sony's marketshare position, and the only real way this merger has at doing so would be if some form of exclusivity for Xbox were to emerge from it.

It would be hilarious if MS does all of these chart presentations and then Sony just up and said:



And they got that same response from regulators and media at the hearing.

Twitter would go down for a full month

 

[Astray]

I just don't understand what posturing like this does when regulators do their work behind closed doors and get privileged access to details we will never get.

 

[gothmog]

So what actually happened today? Did anything get released about the meeting with regulators or did Microsoft just try to run a giant smokescreen with a PR stunt?

 

[Topher]

All I ever remember people saying was that Sony weren't the only ones against the deal (or the only ones who raised concerns with regulators).

Exactly. I believe it was Christopher Dring who referenced both Google and Nvidia when saying something to the effect of "it isn't just Sony" who had issues with this deal.

 

[sinnergy]

It is starting to look like a done deal, these announcements are a sign of the demands they need to comply too.

 

[thebigmanjosh]

Lol, no wonder Microsoft were willing to do this deal. If anything this would boost purchases from the Windows Store for games on it.

That's not actually a bad deal in isolation; in the context of appeasing regulators for the acquisition though, yeah, it's essentially worthless feels like.

It's not just the Windows Store. This is from the Nvidia release:

Xbox PC games currently available in third party stores like Steam or Epic Games Store will also be able to be streamed through GeForce NOW.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Not looking good for Sony not gonna lie

 

[DenchDeckard]

What happens when everyone is winning, getting deals left and right and only Sony is the one refusing to play ball?

Can regulators still say its bad to go through if ms makes deals with every cloud company?

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

It's not just the Windows Store. This is from the Nvidia release:

I stand corrected.

 

[GHG]

What happens when everyone is winning, getting deals left and right and only Sony is the one refusing to play ball?

Can regulators still say its bad to go through if ms makes deals with every cloud company?

Regulators can enforce whatever Microsoft have already offered in writing. So at worst, Sony get whatever is currently on the table. Hence if they want more it makes sense for them to continue playing hardball until the last gasp.

 

[Snake29]

We need more corporate people to engage in console wars. this is great

Well one thing is clear. She fits in well with xbox considering how they often enough behave like a bunch of amateurs on social media there too.

 

[ToadMan]

To be fair, regulators made this scenario of excluding Nintendo from the console market.

They did.

And to be fair, we can also discard the MS-Nintendo arrangement for the same reason.

MS haven’t even started working this out yet it seems.

 

[demigod]

So what actually happened today? Did anything get released about the meeting with regulators or did Microsoft just try to run a giant smokescreen with a PR stunt?

If i was to guess, not looking good for ms. They did the same shit and went on national television right before the CMA with their pr stunt.

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Of course they weren't against it the same level as Sony and now they've got what they wanted they are no longer caring.

Yep. It's an agreement that in no way goes against what Microsoft always wanted. Microsoft keeping its games off Geforce Now was always strategic. They don't care to JUST have Xbox titles streamed on Xbox specific platforms or services. They want Xbox games played everywhere with Xbox destinations just being one of many popular destinations.

I'll tell you this much. It looks very bad when Nintendo accepts a 10 year deal and Nvidia accepts a 10 year deal, but Sony keeps saying no. Sony is being effectively isolated and made to look like what's really going on is they don't want to share a piece of the COD pie that is so advantageous to Playstation, according to Sony's own words. The most competitive and consumer friendly decision then is that everybody should get Call of Duty.

 

[Topher]

Not looking good for Sony not gonna lie

Agree. Microsoft is making significant moves here.

 

[pasterpl]

Exactly. I believe it was Christopher Dring who referenced both Google and Nvidia when saying something to the effect of "it isn't just Sony" who had issues with this deal.

Someone mentioned three companies that are against the deal. Never gave names.

 

[Sanepar]

What happens when everyone is winning, getting deals left and right and only Sony is the one refusing to play ball?

Can regulators still say its bad to go through if ms makes deals with every cloud company?

How many users ps4 + ps5 have? 150 million? How many users nvidia has? Ms is bringing cod to switch?

Do u think regulators are stupid? The statistics just plays against MS. Hey lets make 80% of console market needs to acquire a new console on Europe to make Microsoft the new leader

 

[mansoor1980]

dont underestimate jimbo people

 

[Bonsaibäumchen]

What happens when everyone is winning, getting deals left and right and only Sony is the one refusing to play ball?

Can regulators still say its bad to go through if ms makes deals with every cloud company?

Apart from Nvidia whos cloud are those games running on? So far it seems like ms is offering their cloud gaming solution to everyone.

As far as I understand this doesn't help them at all regarding the CMAs objections.

 

[Ezekiel_]

What happens when everyone is winning, getting deals left and right and only Sony is the one refusing to play ball?

Can regulators still say its bad to go through if ms makes deals with every cloud company?

Everyone, except the one that matters... I wonder why

 

[Topher]

Someone mentioned three companies that are against the deal. Never gave names.

That was from official documents. Members of the media said it was Google and Nvidia.

 

[BiohazardX95]

What happens when everyone is winning, getting deals left and right and only Sony is the one refusing to play ball?

Can regulators still say its bad to go through if ms makes deals with every cloud company?

Activision can make switch games if they want to, they can also allow their games in geforce now if they want to. Also activision games were going to be multiplatform without the purchase. Tell us why Microsoft needs activision then