RickMasters
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Forza seems more like a august release but who knows. Either way they have some big hitters for the later half of the year asking as no delays hit them.
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feynoob
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The problem is that most of their 2023 games are from 2022. If they dont show any 2023 game, then that means there is a big problem with their releases.
RickMasters
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No it doesnt mean that at all. It means they are focusing on what is relaseing this year..... People still dont know a whole lot about starfield, inspite of whats been shown so far....we still have not seen a huge chunk of forza gameplay....neither have we seen avowed...neither have we seen hellblade 2. weve seen tid bits of tehse games. none of them release last year...they were all scheduled for this year.....do you see where im going with this? we still have not seen indiana jones, contraband... I could go on. who cares that were announced from last year if none of us even know what they look or play like? thats what this showcase is about im guessing.
Sure some new announcement will be nice and I have no doubt we will get those too...but honestly Id just like to see gameplay of things that have been announced for a long time but we have seen little of...fable, everwild....avowed...what there other studios have been up to...double fine, propulsion games, etc
Im sure there presentation will be just fine.
Kenshin775
Member
I don't know why people think Square would ever sell to MS, they have just never been great partners. Capcom makes a lot of money so I don't know why they would want to sell. if they buy a publisher it has to be Sega, there is too much history. In the bolded is what Phil Spencer said to Aaron Greenberg after he came back from japan in 2018
Since then Sega brought several games to Game Pass. and the rumor is Shin Megami Tensei series will be coming to Game pass as well. There was even a puff piece where Sega talking about how great Game Pass is. here is a quote from Sega about their relationship with MS.
Like they alluded to Sega even made a Halo game and an Age of Empires game.
Since then Sega brought several games to Game Pass. and the rumor is Shin Megami Tensei series will be coming to Game pass as well. There was even a puff piece where Sega talking about how great Game Pass is. here is a quote from Sega about their relationship with MS.
Like they alluded to Sega even made a Halo game and an Age of Empires game.
geary
Member
Are 2023 games, if there were any, probably were pushed to 2024. I dont thinj they'll show some date for the big games…they wont make same mistake, hopefully.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
So God of War Ragnarok was delayed so that mean Sony has the same problem? Coarse they don't but neither does Microsoft. Proper soft post you just made
Handel
Member
GoW:R, Horizon FW, and GT7 were all delayed into 2022 from 2021, so does Sony have a problem with their pipeline given that they seemingly had no big titles for release in 2022 if those games didn't get delayed? Or is it the case with both MS and Sony that delays of one years titles into the next then allows them to delay the originally planned games for that next year as well, both to allow them more dev time as well as spread out releases?
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You guys really seem to love #SonyToo. while those were delayed they still released Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart and Returnal. Meanwhile 2022 was pretty baron for MS to the point where they didn't even count as a publisher for metacritic.
He is also saying that if games were delayed out of 2023 after the baron 2022 it would mean that there is a big problem with their releases. Not sure where you are getting SonyToo out of that because there is absolutely no equivalence there. That 2 year drought would be unprecedented.
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Handel
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I'm saying that there's no issue with either company delaying games, and then subsequently pushing back other games due to the change in schedule. Bethesda is currently counted as a separate publisher from MS else they would have reached the required minimum for Metacritic's best publisher rankings, and would have further separated themselves as best publisher in 2021 with Deathloop added.
I'd take Pentiment and Grounded over Ratchet and Returnal any day, but yeah 2022 became a less than stellar year for MS due to delays. Not every year is going to be hitting things out of the park.
Alex Scott
Member
While that's true.
I think goal of these acquisitions are to get people away from PS to Xbox. Even if this acquisition fail, but MS managed to get PS gamers, it worked. Like what Mark Zuckerberg:, "It's Better To Buy Than Compete"
There is when there is nothing to replace it for that year. That's when you have a problem with releases.
No they're not, they're part of Microsoft Game Studios and not even Bethesda made the list separately.
I'm sure you did, no surprises there.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
do you consider them to be AAA games like GOW R GT7 and HFW though? none of those are in the same league
Ratchet and Clank, yes I do. Do you consider Pentiment to be in the same league as GOW, HFW or Ratchet and Clank? You don't seem to have a problem with that one.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
no I don't, and Microsoft released 3 games last year. yes not AAA titles
both Microsoft had issues releasing games due to covid but it happened in different years for both companies.
Neither Nintendo nor Sony have had a year like MS did in 2022. This so called baron 2021 for SonyToo still had them as the 2nd best publisher. Meanwhile MS in 2022...
phil_t98
#SonyToo
as you said they released 2 games both sold over a million, Microsoft released 3 games in 2022.
it shows what a bad year of games it must of been in 2021 when you can release 2 games and be 2nd best publisher
how many people have owned played Grounded?
They released more than 2 games. They just released 2 new great games. MS didn't have many more in 2021 either.
What do you mean and what would it matter?
StealthGoblin
Banned
Indeed. In the U.K. at least all the concessions Microsoft made helped them to get the CMA drop concerns on consoles.
Handel
Member
Games don't appear like magic to be replacements, so if the choice is between delaying or releasing a game that's not ready then I'll take the delay. There's plenty of games releasing every month regardless of if it's first party or not, and I have a huge backlog besides. Bethesda is counted separately by Metacritic, and they would have two titles counted for 2022 in Ghostwire Tokyo and Xbox version of Deathloop(ports are counted). Add those two to As Dusk Falls, Pentiment and Grounded that makes the minimum five for the rankings. According to a Ree's posters math in their thread discussing the rankings this would put MS at third place for 2022, slightly behind Paradox.
No surprise that you're the kind of "gamer" that dismisses great titles because they're not AAA.
Majority of their counted titles in 2021 were PS5/PC ports, if only new titles counted they wouldn't even have met minimum qualifications. Due to Smart Delivery and Xbox games coming out simultaneously on both console&PC they don't inflate their MC numbers in later years with lots of ports.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
also Microsoft released other games, both had bad years simple as that but being Microsoft they get criticised more
Handel
Member
It's also a matter of timed exclusives taking games away from Xbox that warps perception of things, even though such deals don't actually add a game to PS that they weren't already getting it is ammo for list wars.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
totally agree but they could also say games being taken away from them with buying studios so it goes both ways.
moving forwards there should be no problems with Microsofts release schedule now as they own a lot of studios and they don't need to rush games out, once/if Activision deal happens it should mean Microsoft could release a major game every3 months
Drop the persecution complex. They released other games like FS2020 from the year prior on XS, Death Stranding DC from the year prior on PS5 etc. Both had around 2 new games though.
You're the one trying to draw a parallel between MS releases in 2022 vs Sony 2021 when they were nothing alike. Again living up to your #SonyToo tag.
MS weren't even considered in the top 50 publishers in 2022, Sony in 2021 where you're drawing that comparison were still the 2nd best publisher.
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Handel
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It will go both ways starting this year, but so far Sony's timed exclusives games with Bethesda primarily Deathloop have made a bigger splash then the couple of small Obsidian titles exclusive to Xbox have. Best game of 2021 Psychonauts 2 was also multi-platform. We're just getting to the point where these acquired devs are getting to move past old deals/promises to make exclusive games for MS.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Except I don't agree that Sony's 2021 in terms of releases like Ratchet, Returnal, and some smaller stuff; where they were still 2nd best publisher, is like MS's 2022 where they released just the small stuff only and didn't even qualify as a publisher. You are trying really hard to push the SonyToo angle though with it.
Owning an xbox is also irrelevant anyway they were multiplatform PC games too. You're talking about a publisher having issues with releases or not.
Those timed exclusives aren't Sony published games. They do not count towards Sony's output for 2021. if they did it would be even worse for MS.
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Handel
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Sony 2021 publishing when only counting new titles :
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart : 88MC
Returnal : 86MC
MLB the Show 21 : 78MC
Destruction All Stars : 62MC
Average : 78.5
MS 2022 publishing only new titles(with Bethesda games counted as they should be) :
Pentiment : 86MC
Grounded : 82MC
As Dusk Falls : 77MC
Ghostwire Tokyo : 75MC
Average : 80
Sony 2021 has a bit higher peak, but also by far the worst game between each. Neither can be considered more than decent years.
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart : 88MC
Returnal : 86MC
MLB the Show 21 : 78MC
Destruction All Stars : 62MC
Average : 78.5
MS 2022 publishing only new titles(with Bethesda games counted as they should be) :
Pentiment : 86MC
Grounded : 82MC
As Dusk Falls : 77MC
Ghostwire Tokyo : 75MC
Average : 80
Sony 2021 has a bit higher peak, but also by far the worst game between each. Neither can be considered more than decent years.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
I asked if you own an Xbox?
Nothing1234
Banned
Now 2006-2023. It's not just one year in isolation. Also remember Xbox had 1 launch game which was Gears Tactics in 2020.
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Complains about list wars, goes on to participate in list wars. If the 2020 early access game known as Grounded can be listed why completely ignore Ghost of Tsushima: Legends (87MC) which was a new multiplayer game. It's ok to admit MS' 2022 was bad.
No I own a PC and can play MS releases though. I asked how this is relevant to a publisher having a problem with timely releases? What's the answer?
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KungFucius
King Snowflake
The level of partnership has nothing to do with it. Leadership can resist, but when an acquisition proposal comes that will give you an instant 20% or more return you can't legitimately take that away from shareholders. Twitter tried to do that with Musk and look how that ended. Maybe the shareholders would vote it down, but FFS a near guaranteed payout is hard to say no to.
X-Wing
Member
Why are you comparing 2021 from one publisher with 2022 of the other?
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
Just curious. You seem so invested in Microsoft . Do you have gamepass? With having a PC?
Nothing1234
Banned
You know why.
No, I usually buy MS games I like but have subbed in and out of Gamepass several times before. why are you asking these questions? What do they change?
phil_t98
#SonyToo
like I said you seem to be very invested in the state of Microsoft and Gamepass as I see you in a lot of threads criticising them I just wondered if you owned an xbox or gamepass.
How is pointing out that Sony's 2021 and MS' 2022 in terms of releases aren't equivalent "being invested in MS and Gamepass"? Especially coming from somebody who has a tag like yours. Why are you so invested in SonyToo in every thread? Out of curiosity. Somebody points out MS 2022 was bad and you're here trying to do the usual SonyToo.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
I own a PS4 and PSVR and also PS5
you will see posts from me about how good God of war Ragnarok was and Spiderman games. I also sub to PS+ to
I thought Returnal was bit Meh for me and I get others liked it. so yeah, when the sonytoo tag got put on I pointed out to the mods about my positive posts and they were gonna remove it but I said leave it there. gives you more ammo lol
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So what? I own a PC, Surface and a 360. What does it change?
And I own AOE and FS2020 on PC, I've said positive things about good games.
should I go out and buy an xbox before disagreeing with you on general publisher output?
Good thing they kept it because it describes how much you're invested in doing it in every thread.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
nah its great because you quoted it
again Microsoft had a bad year as did Sony. you seem let sonyoff the hook when they had a bad year to. I was mega disappointed with what they released in 2021 I was also disappointed about Microsofts release in 2022
I can see that but this is your opinion. It isn't the concensus though and I can disagree with it. Especially as my opinion isn't even that outlandish since aggregate sites have 2022 far worse for MS than they do 2021 for other publishers like Sony. 2022 was bad for MS however you slice it. Deflecting to Sony with a reach doesn't help.
You don't need redundant hardware purchases to disagree with general publisher output so I'm bemused that you're continuing to dig in that direction as if it makes any difference to these opinions or being 'invested'.
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phil_t98
#SonyToo
see this is the thing, I have invested in both eco systems and so the Sonytoo thing is funny to me. yes we have different opinions and I find it funny when Microsoft was publisher of the year it was laughed at as being not important and now they dropped its used as a metric against them. am sure if I went through the thread of Microsoft winning publisher of the year (I can't be bothered to be honest) am sure you would of been in there dying how this wasn't important or something
when its stated as 2021 was a bad year for Sony its then brought up as not as bad as 2022 for Microsoft, both had bad years its simple.
now back to the Activision purchase the same can be said about comparisons, before Microsoft was purchasing Activision we had a lot of threads about Sony being massively ahead by at least 2-1 in sales and how how's sell so much better on Sony and how Sony buying studios is a good thing because they work closely with them. now that Microsoft are attempting to buy Activision the narrative has changed somewhat to be Sony are not as in front as people said,
I have been around the forums a long time and just see how the narrative changes to fit agendas
People can be invested in both publishers game output without gamepass or an xbox, PS+, or PS4. This stuff doesn't matter to somebody stating their opinion. You're just taking it down that strange road as if it discredits or bolsters people's opinions here.
Nope I'd still say it's not important to a persons opinion of the games they are interested in. Metacritic in general in fact. Trying to argue over a publisher having issues with big releases and not filling voids in a given year though in comparison, regardless of individual opinions, it's pretty good evidence of that.
Of course narratives change, same with MS fans like yourself. If anything, people, including MS themselves said console sales aren't important, now they're the single most important measure of success and 'being behind' when it comes to Activision.
I don't remember people cheering an Activision like purchase from Sony. I do remember people cheering much the same when MS bought studios they worked with closely like Playground or Undead Labs and how Sony couldn't compete with the number of studios MS had acquired in 2018+ for next gen console release. Now they can't compete unless they buy the number 1 publisher out there. How's that for changing narratives?
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Ass of Can Whooping
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One had two AAA titles the other had 0. 2022 for MS wasn't bad. It was an embarrassment.
Not sure why this is even being debated
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Handel
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List wars is when a platform warrior posts a list of games for their platform and says it's superior to another platform due to how impressive the list is, my post is not that just a refutation of your claim that Sony's 2021 was great compared to MS's terrible 2022. You keep bringing up misinformation about metacritic ranking of Sony in 2021 as if that ranking is based primarily due to new games, when the majority of Sony releases counted are PS5/PC ports. When comparing just new game releases, the quality of games is around the same. Good games are good games, "AAA" label is truly an irrelevance to people who actually love gaming.
GoT Legends is a multiplayer mode not a new game, and it released in 2020 anyways
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Handel
Member
Don't they know there are important platform wars to be paying attention to instead? Man the CMA truly are out of touch with gaming.
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