Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?


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You know what's hilarious...

This guy doesn't actually game. He's said online that he's hoping to make money off dumb XBOX guys via his youtube podcast and superchat/donation features. I feel almost bad that a guy with zero gamerscore can literally get quoted on gaming forums despite never actually gaming. Postup is a gaming fraud at max levels.
 
I think if Sony does appeal, that in theory may happen after the deal closes. Obviously what FTC and Sony would do in a case that the CMA and EC approves the deal, may make MS hold off from closing.
 
This battle isn't about any random games. It's about a massively popular multiplayer IP. There's no real pattern establishing intent to take it exclusive.
The nearest analogy is Minecraft , and they've kept that game multiplatform, even including multiple spin-offs…not to mention a PS4 exclusive VR entry.

There's a reason you'd rather cite Redfall instead of Minecraft.
Minecraft continues to be an inconvenient truth. Not only did they continue to distribute that game to multiple other consoles but all the spin-offs too. MS also has a history of honoring its gaming contracts so anything MS in under contract to provide they will according to their past behavior right? No reason to believe they are not an honest broker here.

That's where case by case comes in. Elder Scrolls 5 was originally released 12 years ago. Doubt there isn't much of an existing community. Minecraft and COD are obviously different. I also believe that Activision's catalog of IPs that Microsoft may bring back that were released on other platforms in the past will be xbox/pc exclusive in the future, because of their statement about existing communities.
Elder Scrolls predominate community is on PC. I am certain PC will continue to get those titles.

You know what's hilarious...

This guy doesn't actually game. He's said online that he's hoping to make money off dumb XBOX guys via his youtube podcast and superchat/donation features. I feel almost bad that a guy with zero gamerscore can literally get quoted on gaming forums despite never actually gaming. Postup is a gaming fraud at max levels.

Surprised you didn't support your accusation with evidence. If true though the jokes on him. The PlayStation community is far bigger and he'd have a much bigger pool to allegedly grift from.
 
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You know what's hilarious...

This guy doesn't actually game. He's said online that he's hoping to make money off dumb XBOX guys via his youtube podcast and superchat/donation features. I feel almost bad that a guy with zero gamerscore can literally get quoted on gaming forums despite never actually gaming. Postup is a gaming fraud at max levels.
Sure that's the 'hilarious' part in that post and not Jim Ryan's pathetic and desperate lie to regulators lmao
 
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Imagine if CMA passes this and then almost immediately FTC also decides just to let it pass "Uhhh sorry everyone, we were also going off of Sony's early testimony and foreclosure forecast data they presented to us, but after analyzing everything laid out by the CMA in their updated amendments we have decided to also withdrawl our decision to block the acquisition" .... or blah blah yadda yadda whatever
 
You know what's hilarious...

This guy doesn't actually game. He's said online that he's hoping to make money off dumb XBOX guys via his youtube podcast and superchat/donation features. I feel almost bad that a guy with zero gamerscore can literally get quoted on gaming forums despite never actually gaming. Postup is a gaming fraud at max levels.

What's hilarious is that instead of commenting on the actual quotes, you're trying to knock down the account which tweeted it because you don't like what it quoted. Meanwhile you also go around posting tweets from random twitter users yourself and make posts about how award winning games should not be used as examples of bolstering games lineup. Pretty hilarious :messenger_tears_of_joy:

see, even shillanon agrees.

Imagine if CMA passes this and then almost immediately FTC also decides just to let it pass "Uhhh sorry everyone, we were also going off of Sony's early testimony and foreclosure forecast data they presented to us, but after analyzing everything laid out by the CMA in their updated amendments we have decided to also withdrawl our decision to block the acquisition" .... or blah blah yadda yadda whatever


FTC explicitly contacted both EU and CMA to try and delay proceedings, so if despite that both CMA and EU pass, it's likely to push FTC's hand as well.

But I don't expect that to happen before their August hearings in either case.
 
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Imagine if CMA passes this and then almost immediately FTC also decides just to let it pass "Uhhh sorry everyone, we were also going off of Sony's early testimony and foreclosure forecast data they presented to us, but after analyzing everything laid out by the CMA in their updated amendments we have decided to also withdrawl our decision to block the acquisition" .... or blah blah yadda yadda whatever

Just in time to put Diablo 4 on Steam


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I think if Sony does appeal, that in theory may happen after the deal closes. Obviously what FTC and Sony would do in a case that the CMA and EC approves the deal, may make MS hold off from closing.
Sony cannot appeal. It is not their case. It's between MS/ABK/regulators. They can state their objections to the merger which they have obviously done, that's all they can do. The EU and CMA look to be on the side of MS.
 
Sony cannot appeal. It is not their case. It's between MS/ABK/regulators. They can state their objections to the merger which they have obviously done, that's all they can do. The EU and CMA look to be on the side of MS.
Think they can appeal but it's alot harder obviously. I also think they are on the hook of the costs of the CMA at that point.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...f-appeal-to-the-competition-appeal-tribunal-o

15.13 Addressees of the CMA's appealable decisions and third parties with a sufficient interest in appealable decisions have a right to appeal against the decision concerned to the Competition Appeal Tribunal. Appealable decisions include decisions as to whether there has been a competition law infringement, interim measures decisions and decisions on the imposition of, or the amount of, a penalt y.

Actually checking this may only be applicable in certain cases.
 
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I think Sony needs to watch the emotional PR outbursts. 1) It doesn't help them in the court of public opinion, and 2) It could come back to haunt them in ways that are hard to predict right now, but are very similar to the pitfalls Phil Spencer encountered by running his mouth 24x7 last year.

I'm not saying that they should be happy with the current situation, but I think they should be acting prudently; not lashing out about a title they never had on their platform.
 
Think they can appeal but it's alot harder obviously. I also think they are on the hook of the costs of the CMA at that point.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...f-appeal-to-the-competition-appeal-tribunal-o



Actually checking this may only be applicable in certain cases.


I wonder if allegation from Sony about miscalculation will cause another delay in CMA's final notice. They had till 12th for all parties to submit their stuff and 26th as the current final date for their decision.
 
Sony seems a lot more worried about this than I would really have expected them to be. Desert in droves? Really? I don't believe their position is anywhere near that fragile.
 
IMO, CoD will remain multiplatform and on Sony consoles, in perpetuity. The real value CoD on Game Pass day and date moving forward, and full price on other machines/platforms.
 
IMO, CoD will remain multiplatform and on Sony consoles, in perpetuity. The real value CoD on Game Pass day and date moving forward, and full price on other machines/platforms.
Yeah, but who would pay $70 to play COD when you can play for $14 a month. At that point it might as well be exclusive.
 
I don't believe their position is anywhere near that fragile.

Totally agree. Sony is strong as fuck.

Let's look at the worse case scenario and say MS makes Call of Duty exclusive:
  • Sony is assuming there wouldn't be a huge backlash against MS from gamers.
    • Wrong.
  • Sony is assuming that a 3rd party or internal studio couldn't cook up a similar, or superior, military offering that challenges CoD?
    • Wrong.
Crisis is opportunity, and if MS ever tried to pull a fast one, I am sure there are loads of developers who are licking their lips at the prospect of countering an MS-led CoD, especially given the Seattle behemoth's penchant for studio mismanagement.
 
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Totally agree. Sony is strong as fuck.

Let's look at a worse case scenario and say MS makes Call of Duty exclusive:
  • Sony is assuming there wouldn't be a huge backlash against MS from gamers.
    • Wrong.
  • Sony is assuming that a 3rd party or internal studio couldn't cook up a similar, or superior, military offering that challenges CoD?
    • Wrong.
Crisis is opportunity, and if MS ever tried to pull a fast one, I am sure there are loads of developers who are licking their lips at the prospect of countering an MS-led CoD, especially given the Seattle behemoth's penchant for studio mismanagement.
Well let's be real.

Sony isn't assuming shit.

They just don't want this deal to close so of course they will make things look as dire as possible to regulators.
 
Well let's be real.

Sony isn't assuming shit.

They just don't want this deal to close so of course they will make things look as dire as possible to regulators.

Oh, for sure. I just don't think its helping them; on the contrary, I think it could come back to bite them in the ass as this whole thing plays out.

I kind of wish Jim Ryan would have put MS through a series of hilarious contractual obligations, like, "Give us Elder Scrolls 6 and other titles and we stop whining." I'm pretty sure MS would have been game for that.
 
That's a weak argument from Sony imo they would have been better off arguing that Microsoft is the only platform holder that can loss lead on a massive scale without upsetting their business unlike the other console platform holders .
 
Yeah, but who would pay $70 to play COD when you can play for $14 a month. At that point it might as well be exclusive.
As long as Sony continues to make AAA games that routinely contend for GotY awards and smoke metacritic numbers, they will never have a problem moving units.

And as others have pointed out, Sony put the ground work in for the global market where MS never even bothered or at best half-assed it. GHG GHG has covered that part a few times ITT in good detail.
 
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Oh, for sure. I just don't think its helping them; on the contrary, I think it could come back to bite them in the ass as this whole thing plays out.

I kind of wish Jim Ryan would have put MS through a series of hilarious contractual obligations, like, "Give us Elder Scrolls 6 and other titles and we stop whining." I'm pretty sure MS would have been game for that.
I think people are missing sonys obvious objective of just justifying giant purchases of thier own down the line even though people are convinced sony can't afford a large aquisition. They will use this song and dance down the line for large "defensive aquisitions" which would have be hard as the market leader but Microsoft has opened the door for them.
 
Who would spend the cost of a console plus $180 a year for COD when they could keep their console and spend $70?
Game Pass doesn't even have CoD and it's already a tremendous value. I think a lot of people would find $180 a year + a console to be a solid gain for them. If you can find 3 games per year on Game Pass that you would be willing to pay full price for then you're already getting your moneys worth.
 
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From my previous linked page, this is the footnote for appealable decisions.

Section 46 and section 47 of the CA98. Except for settling businesses which have accepted that they will not appeal against the decision to the Competition Appeal Tribunal, see paragraph 14.8.

Me trying to parse the following to figure out if Sony can appeal.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/41/section/46

Confused personally.
 
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You know what's hilarious...

This guy doesn't actually game. He's said online that he's hoping to make money off dumb XBOX guys via his youtube podcast and superchat/donation features. I feel almost bad that a guy with zero gamerscore can literally get quoted on gaming forums despite never actually gaming. Postup is a gaming fraud at max levels.
Sounds similar to MLB The Show where the Xbox version always gets more stuttering.

Jim Ryan's statement on quality of port is BS because PS systems have done fine since PS1 days and often times their version is worse. PS2 sold the best even though the GC ad Xbox OG versions were always better.

Give him credit for desperately groveling to the last drop of sweat.

The funny thing is Sony wouldnt even care if they still made all their shooters like during the PS3 days. They never seemed to care about MS COD marketing deals when they had Resistance, KZ, and whatever other million shooters they had.

But when they focused only on SP narratives with GT and MLB on the side, it shows how the rest of their game lineup is so dependent on third party marketing deals to fill the gaps when during that era, Sony made: more sports games, more racers, lots of shooters, JRPGs and even a fighting game.
 
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If you mean Microsoft forcibly bending over Sony then yes, I agree. Jimbo is going down fighting.

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Jumbo looks like he would go down like a sack of potatoes. Dude is done. All hail Phil Spencer and his super manly dad bod.
 
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Jim is swinging at everything, praying he gets a hit. Some of these comments are very sad. I wonder if he will be blamed for Sony losing mainline CoD.
It depends. If the deal goes through and MS just up and pulls CoD the moment the current Sony marketing deal expires then yeah its gonna look bad for Jim when he was offered both a 3 year and 10 year deal but turned them both down.
 
Sony seems a lot more worried about this than I would really have expected them to be. Desert in droves? Really? I don't believe their position is anywhere near that fragile.
Their call of duty position is absolutely that fragile. Sony itself is fine. I really don't understand why people think arguing worst case scenarios equates to the worst case scenario being real.
 
Game Pass will look pretty good if MS puts the entire back catalog of COD games in their library. I already own them all, so it is of no benefit to me however. In fact, I already own every Activision game I want.
 
I also thought it was like that but...

How do I appeal a CMA?
Any person aggrieved by a decision of the CMA or the Secretary of State in connection with a merger situation or market investigation may make an application to the Tribunal for a review under section 120 (mergers) or section 179 (market investigations) of the Enterprise Act.
Sony is not going to the CAT. It's almost impossible to win and even if you win, you are just going straight to same CMA. Not to mention fact that merger can be meanwhile closed.
 
Game Pass will look pretty good if MS puts the entire back catalog of COD games in their library. I already own them all, so it is of no benefit to me however. In fact, I already own every Activision game I want.

I'm a lot more interested in the greater Activision catalog than just CoD.

But I would not mind replaying Infinite Warfare's amazing campaign at all.
 
I'm a lot more interested in the greater Activision catalog than just CoD.

But I would not mind replaying Infinite Warfare's amazing campaign at all.
What's great is that with the Xbox architecture, you can play their catalog on a Series console. No backwards compatibility issues.
 
Boy do I love Jimbo throwing their own first-party studios under the bus.
If people are gonna leave PlayStation in droves because of slight inferiority of PlayStation version of Call of Duty, shouldn't that glorious slate of first-party games keep those players in ecosystem and force them to not leave PlayStation in droves? :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
That's probably the only COD campaign i havent played, i skipped that entry entirely for whatever reason.
Probably because people lost their mind over the trailer to that game, for some reason it turned a lot of people off despite the game itself being one of the better series entries.
 
Boy do I love Jimbo throwing their own first-party studios under the bus.
If people are gonna leave PlayStation in droves because of slight inferiority of PlayStation version of Call of Duty, shouldn't that glorious slate of first-party games keep those players in ecosystem and force them to not leave PlayStation in droves? :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:
Jim is a bad CEO.

Edit: Although acually having said that he did have the foresight to focus on GAAS games. So if COD does leave, it's not like Playstation isn't prepared at all.
 
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That's probably the only COD campaign i havent played, i skipped that entry entirely for whatever reason.

I'm not surprised. A lot of people did because that was the peak of terrible CoD marketing.

Despite a lot of folks frowning on it because it was too future-y, I think it's probably the best CoD campaign since the OG Modern Warfare 2.
 
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