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[feynoob]

politics...how do they work? /rhetorical question.

her behavior/modus operandi does have a point/objective is not orthodox and there is an interview in which she explains it.

This is US. We are divided country between 2 politics. Our politics are under pocket of big corporations. Someone like Lina is an easy target for either side.

ideology doesn't work well here. You need more than that.

i envy eu, because they are harsh on their big corporations. Here, our guys are their lapdogs. We allow lobbying as a legal thing.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

This is US. We are divided country between 2 politics. Our politics are under pocket of big corporations. Someone like Lina is an easy target for either side.

ideology doesn't work well here. You need more than that.

i envy eu, because they are harsh on their big corporations. Here, our guys are their lapdogs. We allow lobbying as a legal thing.

I am not talking about those politics wise man

 

[93xfan]

So many people have voiced condescending opinions about her. Her gender, her motives, her intellect, her looks, and now her age have all been used to insult her. If that's what you want to do, though, I'll just leave you to it. I, on the other hand, will continue to support a person who is doing her job.

Age / experience do matter. What a silly point to make. And tying that in with comments about her looks and gender. Disingenuous and distasteful.

 

[Three]

I made no comments about any of that. She has failed at her primary job of running the FTC. All the Republicans on the panel resigned and her track record in federal court is atrocious. Lawyers have also been quitting. She just isn't doing a good job and it has nothing to do with her being female or how she looks. Even the op-ed mentioned earlier doesn't bring up any of that nonsense. She should not be supported running this organization poorly.

"All the republicans on the panel", you mean just the one that was on the panel and didn’t get her way.

 

[feynoob]

I am not talking about those politics wise man

But those speeches are meaningless.
What matters is actions here.

 

[laynelane]

Age / experience do matter. What a silly point to make. And tying that in with comments about her looks and gender. Disingenuous and distasteful.

Another one who is all too easy to read. Have fun, I guess.

 

[93xfan]

Another one who is all too easy to read. Have fun, I guess.

Age based criticism is not at all in the same category as sexism. Virtue signal better, and take breaks for a little self reflection.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

But those speeches are meaningless.
What matters is actions here.

no shit sherlock, Why do you think she is getting so much shit? /rhetorical question

 

[laynelane]

Age based criticism is not at all in the same category as sexism. Virtue signal better, and take breaks for a little self reflection.

She is young and doesn't understand the adult world. I admire here ambitious bravery, but sometimes you need to draw a line between feelings and actual work.

If you find this kind of statement to be valid, then good for you. I don't. As well, the irony of telling someone else to self-reflect is amazing. Again, don't worry, my support of Lina Khan won't impact MS' acquisition efforts. It'll be okay.

 

[feynoob]

no shit sherlock, Why do you think she is getting so much shit? /rhetorical question

Here.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/episodes/lina-khan-anti-trust-critics-target-on-the-media

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Here.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/episodes/lina-khan-anti-trust-critics-target-on-the-media

/rhetorical question

 

[93xfan]

It's play by words.
She is young person (34) holding that position vs old people who have way more experience than her.

She needs a lot of experience in that position, especially court systems.

>>> you responded to feynoob with:

So many people have voiced condescending opinions about her. Her gender, her motives, her intellect, her looks, and now her age have all been used to insult her. If that's what you want to do, though, I'll just leave you to it. I, on the other hand, will continue to support a person who is doing her job.

>>>>> I responded to you with:

Age based criticism is not at all in the same category as sexism. Virtue signal better, and take breaks for a little self reflection.

Then you pulled a comment out of left field that I never referenced or was aware even existed and stated the following:

If you find this kind of statement to be valid, then good for you. I don't. As well, the irony of telling someone else to self-reflect is amazing. Again, don't worry, my support of Lina Khan won't impact MS' acquisition efforts. It'll be okay.

Do you see how dishonest you are appearing? Maybe you made a mistake and would like to correct it?

 

[feynoob]

/rhetorical question

Don't know what to respond.

 

[laynelane]

>>> you responded to feynoob with:

>>>>> I responded to you with:

Then you pulled a comment out of left field that I never referenced or was aware even existed and stated the following:

Do you see how dishonest you are appearing? Maybe you made a mistake and would like to correct it?

No, I have nothing to correct. You obviously don't get it and this whole conversation is pointless. Let's agree to disagree. Or you can keep trying to make me admit something to validate your feelings. Also, if you weren't aware that comment existed, then perhaps you shouldn't have jumped into an ongoing conversation with your lack of understanding. Have a good night.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Don't know what to respond.

did you watch the interview I was referring to?

 

[feynoob]

did you watch the interview I was referring to?

You mean this interview? Or the non clause one

Edit:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...ode/2022/6/9/23160578/lina-khan-ftc-interview

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

You mean this interview? Or the non clause one

Edit:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...ode/2022/6/9/23160578/lina-khan-ftc-interview

 

[feynoob]

So this article.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...nt-back-down-in-the-face-of-intimidation.html

the one I provided has a clear goal for their actions.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

So this article.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...nt-back-down-in-the-face-of-intimidation.html

the one I provided has a clear goal for their actions.

the interview i provided is almost 1 hour long. has nuances and you can see her demeanor.

back in Nov 2022:

Watching that Lina Khan video....I get what she is trying to achieve.

And MS/Activision would be a perfect case study for her hypothesis or whatever.

so, saying:

She is young and doesn't understand the adult world

is ironically quite childish and gullible.

 

[feynoob]

is ironically quite childish and gullible.

Interviews can be rigged to make a person look competent, but actions shows her actual experience.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...biden-appointed-big-tech-foes-leadership/amp/

Yet sources close to the agency, which has a mandate to enforce antitrust law and protect consumers, say that academic brilliance doesn’t necessarily translate into management ability — and that its 33-year-old leader’s inexperience has longtime staffers at the 1,100-person agency heading for the exits

“They’ve put her in this position of running an important federal agency when she has zero experience doing this kind of thing,” Eileen Harrington, a former executive director of the FTC who spent 27 years at the agency, told The Post. “She’s a rising star who’s been thrown off the deep end.”

Harrington, a self-described Democrat, said she started receiving distressing calls from friends at the agency shortly after Khan took the reins last year. Khan took far longer to introduce herself to staff than previous chairs and had a dismissive attitude toward career employees, sources close to the agency said.

“People were devastated that all they were getting from the chair’s office was criticism, refusal to engage,” Harrington said, adding that some called Khan “abusive” and a “tyrant.”. “They started quitting,” she said.

This one is recent.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/antitrust/senior-ftc-staff-departures-spike-as-ambitious-agenda-looms

• Data show 71 senior staff attorneys left between 2021 and 2022
• Agency ramped up hiring in recent months to boost enforcement

The wave of departures comes as the FTC undertakes an ambitious rulemaking agenda under Chair Lina Khan, including a proposed ban of employers’ noncompete agreements and limiting companies from engaging in “commercial surveillance” and selling or sharing collected consumer data. Khan has aggressively pursued antitrust enforcement, seeking to revive dormant laws in a bid to reign in Big Tech companies.

In total, 99 senior-level career attorneys—including line staff and leadership who are GS-15 and executive service attorneys—left the agency in the two-year period, according to the data. Of the GS-15s who departed, 27 were long-planned retirements, said FTC spokesperson Douglas Farrar.

Spicy one in August last year.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-faulted-by-watchdog-on-hiring-unpaid-experts

• Inspector general says the hires create legal, compliance risk
• Agency brought in 17 workers it doesn’t pay since October 2020

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Interviews can be rigged to make a person look competent

I am not talking about that (she looking competent or not) is about understanding what she is trying to achive.

but actions shows her actual experience

and that is why she is in charge of the FTC in the first place.

she is doing what she is supposed to be doing. several people have even theorized that "loosing" could be an strategy to make a point to reinforce/increase/modernize the FTC's approach to anti-trust. (law over 100+ years old).

 

[Yoboman]

Interviews can be rigged to make a person look competent, but actions shows her actual experience.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost...biden-appointed-big-tech-foes-leadership/amp/







This one is recent.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/antitrust/senior-ftc-staff-departures-spike-as-ambitious-agenda-looms





Spicy one in August last year.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-faulted-by-watchdog-on-hiring-unpaid-experts

Sounds like they were used to a cushy, do nothing bureaucratic environment and got pissed off when she came in and started making them do some actual work

 

[feynoob]

I am not talking about that (she looking competent or not) is about understanding what she is trying to achive.


and that is why she is in charge of the FTC in the first place.

she is doing what she is supposed to be doing. several people have even theorized that "loosing" could be an strategy to make a point to reinforce/increase/modernize the FTC's approach to anti-trust. (law over 100+ years old).

But the issue with that is the people who hold the power that is above her.
Lina can modernize the ftc as much as she can, but once she is removed, it's back to square one.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

But the issue with that is the people who hold the power that is above her.
Lina can modernize the ftc as much as she can, but once she is removed, it's back to square one.

she can't. she is trying to make a point that the law is failing to catch up with the new ways companies do business/can engage with anti-trust shit, plus showing that the FTC lacks the resources/is getting toothless.

you can at least understand that.

is pretty widely accepted that lawmaking is pretty damn slow at adapting to disrupting models/technologies

 

[Warablo]

She should start looking at companies that are actually hurting America.

 

[Goalus]

I made no comments about any of that. She has failed at her primary job of running the FTC. All the Republicans on the panel resigned and her track record in federal court is atrocious. Lawyers have also been quitting. She just isn't doing a good job and it has nothing to do with her being female or how she looks. Even the op-ed mentioned earlier doesn't bring up any of that nonsense. She should not be supported running this organization poorly.

Doesn't her behavior also cost the tax payers a lot of additional money? All these lawsuits based on outrageous claims, and she is actively delaying and taking resources away from court cases that actually matter.

 

[DarkMage619]

I don't have a favourite company, not like you. Again, there is no point in having a serious discussion with you. But don't worry, my support of Lina Khan will not have a significant impact on anything. Rest easy.

I'm certain Lina appreciates your support. She's certainly resting easy with you in her corner.

"All the republicans on the panel", you mean just the one that was on the panel and didn’t get her way.

Nope. The panel has 5 members the 2 Republicans resigned.

Republican FTC Commissioner Noah Phillips to step down

The move opens the door to fresh political jockeying over the aggressive regulator.

www.politico.com

Lone GOP FTC Commissioner Christine Wilson to Resign

Complains about agency processes under chair Lina Khan

www.nexttv.com

Doesn't her behavior also cost the tax payers a lot of additional money? All these lawsuits based on outrageous claims, and she is actively delaying and taking resources away from court cases that actually matter.

Yes. Frivolous lawsuits waste tax payer dollars especially when she could negotiate with companies to reach conclusions. Let's also not forget the FTC always reserves the right to sue later if an actual violation of law occurs.

 

[reksveks]

https://www.ft.com/content/fc56301d-f772-4fc6-afc5-25e86f55fe08

The British government is set to introduce legislation within days to establish a new regulator to police the growing dominance of big technology platforms, such as Google, Amazon and Facebook.

The draft bill will put the digital markets unit within the Competition and Markets Authority, the main UK competition watchdog, on a statutory footing and give it regulatory powers to specifically target the so-called Big Tech companies, according to people familiar with the plans.

The UK first pledged to set up a watchdog to address the growing power of Big Tech three years ago but has so far failed to legislate, despite establishing the digital markets unit in 2021.

According to details of the legislation, known as the Digital Markets, Competition and Consumers bill, seen by the Financial Times, the new regulator will target a small number of tech companies generating at least £25bn in global turnover, or £1bn in the UK, with tailored rules.

Only companies with entrenched power in at least one digital market will be targeted and any found in breach of the rules could face fines of up to 10 per cent of global turnover as part of the new regime first outlined in 2020.

Two officials told the FT that the legislation would be published during the week beginning April 24. The government declined to comment on the exact timing but confirmed that the bill would be introduced to parliament soon.

The rules will also require each company to nominate a senior individual to take responsibility for compliance with the new regime. The regulator will also be able to fine executives should a company fail to comply with its information requests.

Any appeal against the regulator’s decisions would have to follow the standard process for challenging a ruling by the CMA by seeking a judicial review. That requirement is likely to frustrate the big tech companies which were pushing for a lower burden of proof for adjudicating disputes.

The bill will end a period of limbo for the digital markets unit, which was set up two years ago without any powers beyond the CMA’s existing arsenal. It has a staff of 70.

The UK was initially at the forefront of a global push to tackle the dominance of the biggest technology groups. But the government shelved plans to legislate last year.

The potential approval of the deal and the passing of any bills empowering the DMU (also why did the UK name it so similar to the DMA) are quite different topics.

 

[laynelane]

I'm certain Lina appreciates your support. She's certainly resting easy with you in her corner.

Kind of weak, dude. Instead of having a go at me, maybe you should be asking yourself why my comment (which was not directed at you) bothered you so much. Although, to be frank, I have zero hope you'll have the introspection required to examine it.

 

[Heisenberg007]

So we're in the endgame now, right? 3 days to ago, if I recall correctly?

Any new news or signs that are pointing to which way the decision will sway? (after the last update by the CMA, I'm still on the 80/20 bandwagon in favor of approval).

What's everybody's latest view?

 

[Varteras]

So we're in the endgame now, right? 3 days to ago, if I recall correctly?

Any new news or signs that are pointing to which way the decision will sway? (after the last update by the CMA, I'm still on the 80/20 bandwagon in favor of approval).

What's everybody's latest view?

"Please, god, just end this already so we can move on and focus on what really matters. Who is being bought next, of course".

 

[feynoob]

What's everybody's latest view?

As Varteras said.
This thing has been dragged for too long.
We need a new series.

 

[aries_71]

What's everybody's latest view?

This deal is basically done. We should start talking about MS next acquisitions.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Sony is also a mega corp you concerned about what they are doing in the industry? I am pretty sure I know the answer. The organic/natural growth argument is yet another arbitrary metric Xbox critics toss out to score points on forums. There is nothing anticompetitive when the last place competitor does a vertical merger to gain market share and increased game making capacity.

As I've already mentioned numerous other businesses and interests benefit from this deal. When the biggest opponents are non customers and the market leader yet pretty much every other market participant is supportive you know this deal has massive benefits to most people.

....

So your opening line to a point that transcends the current timeline and the current market leading platform is to initially re-frame for a console war?

This is an issue of Microsoft/Xbox against the game industry norms and has been since the beginning. To restate my point - you are hand waving away - but with a different platform to help you peek out from behind your brand/corporation/share investment of choice and understand the perspective, let's look at how Nintendo could never find themselves in this same situation of having an essential 3rd party input bought out by a competitor, and then degraded or removed from there system.

Nintendo historically take all the lime-light on the their systems for themselves - which in itself is bad more competition - and in past generations it was such a defensive tactic that they didn't even share full documentation of functionality of their hardware with 3rd party developers, giving them essentially no chance of competing to become super successful and an essential input.

If Microsoft are just allowed to buy up essential inputs with zero regulation to protect those that helped forged partnerships to
garner that success - as this deal is effectively looking - do you expect all current and future platforms to act more like Nintendo with 3rd parties in future, to protect themselves? And if so - it was a rhetorical question after all - is that worse for competition in your opinion and a much graver SLC where anti-competition is then rooted in all platforms?

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

"Please, god, just end this already so we can move on and focus on what really matters. Who is being bought next, of course".

Its not over before the fat lady sings....next is the FTC.....so expect hunderds of pages stil to come....

 

[Varteras]

Its not over before the fat lady sings....next is the FTC.....so expect hunderds of pages stil to come....

 

[PaintTinJr]

https://www.ft.com/content/fc56301d-f772-4fc6-afc5-25e86f55fe08



The potential approval of the deal and the passing of any bills empowering the DMU (also why did the UK name it so similar to the DMA) are quite different topics.

They are different, but given such bills are done at the behest of the government is it a sign of which way the wind is blowing here in blighty at the CMA/regulators, perhaps?

The timing of the bill/draft(?) to get voted on in the commons, passed to the lords for review, sent back to commons, and potentially does a second round for amendments puts the legislation anything from 3-9months away IMO - assuming it carries majorities in both houses - so the timing along with this deal decision could be orchestrated for maximum impact of being tough on big business.

 

[POKEYCLYDE]

So we're in the endgame now, right? 3 days to ago, if I recall correctly?

Any new news or signs that are pointing to which way the decision will sway? (after the last update by the CMA, I'm still on the 80/20 bandwagon in favor of approval).

What's everybody's latest view?

I'm probably around the same. Cloud is such a wild card that I wouldn't be surprised if it justifies a block. I don't think it should, being a nascent market, but... it being nascent also means concessions would be harder to come up with (not knowing where cloud will be in the future).

Not sure where the CMA's heads are at... If they're like the FTC and looking to crack down on big tech at all costs or if they're sincerely doing their jobs.

But there's a non-zero chance this gets blocked by the CMA. Back before the mathematical amendment that got rid of the console SLC, people would laugh at the notion that this had any chance at approval. So this could still be blocked, anything can happen.

 

[Badlucktroll]

I love video games and watching these mega corporations underhand and make moves against eachother is

 

[Thirty7ven]

So we're in the endgame now, right? 3 days to ago, if I recall correctly?

Any new news or signs that are pointing to which way the decision will sway? (after the last update by the CMA, I'm still on the 80/20 bandwagon in favor of approval).

What's everybody's latest view?

It’s a done deal so now the only discussion left is about how it impacts the market. Either it shifts the tide or it barely moves the needle for Xbox Consoles and Gamepass, and people are back to talking about MAUs and the next publisher MS is buying.

 

[93xfan]

No, I have nothing to correct. You obviously don't get it and this whole conversation is pointless. Let's agree to disagree. Or you can keep trying to make me admit something to validate your feelings. Also, if you weren't aware that comment existed, then perhaps you shouldn't have jumped into an ongoing conversation with your lack of understanding. Have a good night.

Apology accepted

 

[Edmund]

What's everybody's latest view?

We fantasize about how good guy MS buys up Japan publishers, tag teams with Nintendo and other cloud providers to defeat big bad market leader, Sony.

 

[Heisenberg007]

I'm probably around the same. Cloud is such a wild card that I wouldn't be surprised if it justifies a block. I don't think it should, being a nascent market, but... it being nascent also means concessions would be harder to come up with (not knowing where cloud will be in the future).

Same. I think Cloud may still surprise everyone. The CMA specifically mentioned that behavioral remedies are particularly difficult because of the Cloud gaming market; they didn't say it for console.

Not sure where the CMA's heads are at... If they're like the FTC and looking to crack down on big tech at all costs or if they're sincerely doing their jobs.

I don't think it's an either/or situation -- that they are not sincerely doing their job if they block it. I'd say it's the opposite.

But there's a non-zero chance this gets blocked by the CMA. Back before the mathematical amendment that got rid of the console SLC, people would laugh at the notion that this had any chance at approval. So this could still be blocked, anything can happen.

At that point, the CMA had said that this deal will harm and the only the two options left were divestment or prohibition. So people calling that it'll be blocked was the only logical guess at that point. It was only after the CMA changed their stance things became more dubious.

 

[Heisenberg007]

It’s a done deal so now the only discussion left is about how it impacts the market. Either it shifts the tide or it barely moves the needle for Xbox Consoles and Gamepass, and people are back to talking about MAUs and the next publisher MS is buying.

True. Regarding Zenimax, I was sure it's won't move the needle for Xbox. And it didn't. I can't say the same for ABK. It may move the needle or it may not. It's hard to predict.

It'd be interesting to see Sony's and other gaming company's response, however, if it gets approved. I don't think even Xbox fans will like what comes next.

 

[Heisenberg007]

We fantasize about how good guy MS buys up Japan publishers, tag teams with Nintendo and other cloud providers to defeat big bad market leader, Sony.

"Allow us to buy Sega, Capcom, and Take Two, so we can compete. Pretty please."

 

[HoofHearted]

So we're in the endgame now, right? 3 days to ago, if I recall correctly?

Any new news or signs that are pointing to which way the decision will sway? (after the last update by the CMA, I'm still on the 80/20 bandwagon in favor of approval).

What's everybody's latest view?

It’s a lot of angst, whimpering, and infantile crying over a silly and boring video game ….

Oh wait - you’re asking if it will be approved….

Yeah - I still don’t give a rats ass - but guessing at this point it’ll most likely be approved…. It will be interesting to see if there are any significant remediations as part of the final approval…

 

[Elios83]

So we're in the endgame now, right? 3 days to ago, if I recall correctly?

Any new news or signs that are pointing to which way the decision will sway? (after the last update by the CMA, I'm still on the 80/20 bandwagon in favor of approval).

What's everybody's latest view?

80-90% chance it's approved with remedies.
The only relevant question is which remedies they're gonna ask over what Microsoft has committed to, if any.
We know that EU asked them to extend their cloud remedies to include a download option (although it's not clear who can benefit from that if the service isn't used on a PC).
So let's see what the CMA comes up with.

 

[Heisenberg007]

It’s a lot of angst, whimpering, and infantile crying over a silly and boring video game ….

Oh wait - you’re asking if it will be approved….

To clarify, I was asking if there has been any evidence or news or hint since that CMA's reversal of console SLC that could inform us what decision the CMA is more likely to make. Because I haven't been able to keep up with this news recently.

Yeah - I still don’t give a rats ass - but guessing at this point it’ll most likely be approved…. It will be interesting to see if there are any significant remediations as part of the final approval…

I was also asking about this, so thanks

Same page. I think it'll be approved now (80% chance) unless the CMA surprises us with the Cloud SLC, which still might be a bigger deal than some of us are thinking (because we're all more console gaming audience, so that seems like the more important to us). If simple behavioral remedies (suggested by MS, such as 10-year deals only) are approved by the CMA, it will still surprise me, to be honest.

 

[X-Wing]

I love how well informed she is and how well she actually understands tech.
Of course you can't see that if you are a childish corporate shill.

 

[Bernoulli]

Same. I think Cloud may still surprise everyone. The CMA specifically mentioned that behavioral remedies are particularly difficult because of the Cloud gaming market; they didn't say it for console.

I don't think it's an either/or situation -- that they are not sincerely doing their job if they block it. I'd say it's the opposite.

At that point, the CMA had said that this deal will harm and the only the two options left were divestment or prohibition. So people calling that it'll be blocked was the only logical guess at that point. It was only after the CMA changed their stance things became more dubious.

the U turn by the CMA shows that they are not doing their job

instead of correcting their mistakes they just said oh we have bad calculations so let's throw everything, wich doesn't make sense

anyway whatever they decide microsoft will appeal but i don't think sony will