You invested in companies asking for money to grow plants people can grow at home? It's called "weed" for a reason.
You would have been better off investing in Monsanto or something.
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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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You would have been better off investing in Monsanto or something.
drganon
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Whatever you say, Robert.
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MasterCornholio
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Yep 17th and 24th of July is what we have to look forward to. Earliest I can see this ending is if the renegotiation fails. Latest is a few months later when we have the verdict. But even then it depends on what they say.
Nydius
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Keep huffing that hopium bud. This issue has been addressed and debunked multiple times over throughout this thread. Yet here you are, shilling the same bullshit.
That you Florian?
Or maybe Jez?
Another pathetic shill to block.
PaintTinJr
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Why do one side(your side) of the discussion always choose to frame things in a dishonest way?
The EU did one job - the same as the CMA - for 27 nation states. Not 27 jobs for 27 nations, and ironically had the UK still been part of the EU, our CMA probably would have still signalled to the UK government that the deal was an SLC, and the UK would have used its old veto to block the deal by the entire EU in the process. But no one would count that as 28 countries blocking the deal.
As it stands, of the four authorities listed in the SEC filing merger document that need to approve, China have approved the deal, and the EU have needed remedies - as a potential grift for fining with no thought for impact on competition- to approve. The two most important markets by gaming revenue for CoD, the UK and US are both blocking the deal. The UK have decided to block, and the US - where both companies are from - are in their process of opposing the deal with the delaying and legislation tools they have, and have informed the world they are blocking an "illegal" merger.
Not quite the same message with the context of facts, now is it?
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That's kinda my point, it just doesn't seem to have any traction. Here we are with it already workable, to varying degrees based on platforms, and very few people even care a tiny bit. It's the form factor, it's just never gonna be good enough on portable devices, no matter how well it runs.
Ogbert
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To be fair, if they’re on a rota, some of you are in permanent residency.
Banjo64
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Well, rota implies coordinated paid effort whereas permanent residency implies no life.
PaintTinJr
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In this industry, isn't permanent residency just called a crunch period?
Ogbert
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Banjo64
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I think despite their rule bending, Microsoft still have to adhere to labour laws.
Ogbert
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I think I got the wrong end of the stick.
I thought you meant posters here were on rota!
Ignore me.
PaintTinJr
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Take that thought through to full conclusion. Who has a hand on the wheel on our side of the argument and could coordinate our fragmented views?
It is rhetorical, because the answer is no one. Shock surprise, maybe we are just gamers with a lifetime of gaming behind us that feel we have a lot to lose from Microsoft's ill advised actions we oppose.
Banjo64
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MasterCornholio
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They would have altered it soon after the block to dodge the CMA. That didn't happen.
Also why they wanted everything done before July the 17th. If the merger could be changed so easily they would have changed that date already.
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feynoob
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I am still on the end of the line, to see if MS calls me.
I have 10 years worth of campaign manipulation threads, with the skills of the legendary cult leader.
I can make any MS news disappear with a mere presence.
Despite these qualifications, Phil Spencer keeps ignoring my calls.
Thirty7ven
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It’s certainly interesting that Kotick decided to address workplace problems with Variety at this point in time.
Anyways, there’s still room for remedies maybe. MS could accept to have free license to stream ABK games on the platforms they sell the games, and platforms get 30% of MTX. That would be fair enough.
I think they will pull it through. I can’t see CMA simply dropping their proposed remedies to the level of the EC as that would be a major defeat for them, but who knows?
I’m ready to read posters bragging about Xbox owning COD while they laugh that Marathon is multiplatform.
Anyways, there’s still room for remedies maybe. MS could accept to have free license to stream ABK games on the platforms they sell the games, and platforms get 30% of MTX. That would be fair enough.
I think they will pull it through. I can’t see CMA simply dropping their proposed remedies to the level of the EC as that would be a major defeat for them, but who knows?
I’m ready to read posters bragging about Xbox owning COD while they laugh that Marathon is multiplatform.
Topher
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Well....the industry disagrees and that's what it has said to the CMA. That's what Phil Spencer has said as well.
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MasterCornholio
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Well they are supposed to renegotiate a new deal before the 17th. If nothing happens by the 17th then the deal is dead.
splattered
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Ok guys the 17th is my birthday, I'm gonna have to blow out this candle... You want me to wish for this deal to fail or continue/succeed, I'm leaving it in your hands... 
graywolf323
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Varteras
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Yes.Ok guys the 17th is my birthday, I'm gonna have to blow out this candle... You want me to wish for this deal to fail or continue/succeed, I'm leaving it in your hands...
Bojanglez
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A great argument for not giving MS more power in cloud gaming. They have a dominance thanks to their OS and could control the market further if they also have hands on more content levers. All these 'competitors' are partners or clients of Microsoft. I can only think of Sony that is a remaining competitor that doesn't use MS software or services somewhere in the delivery chain for their cloud streamlining service, as they seem to run PS3 and PS4 hardware and software for their cloud delivery?
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IFireflyl
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It landed. It just required people to have a sense of humor. That you didn't see this as a joke is more telling about you than
bitbydeath
. Don't take everything said on the internet as an attack.
splattered
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Heisenberg007
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Dual benefits:
1. It reminds the CMA and CAT that how horrible we are and ABK employees have problems this acquisition would solve. Let us have our 40% premium share or bad things will continue in ABK and CMA will be responsible for it.
2. Bobby trying to secure his management position by addressing these concerns because the merger is unlikely to happen now.
POKEYCLYDE
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Explain it to me like I'm 5. Why does Sony have anything to do with ABK's toxic work environment?It landed. It just required people to have a sense of humor. That you didn't see this as a joke is more telling about you than
IFireflyl
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They don't. That's the joke. You should probably just move on. This has moved into "sad" territory.
POKEYCLYDE
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So you can't explain it. Ergo, it didn't land.
IFireflyl
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I just explained it. It's the same thing as people getting bad news and saying, "Thanks Obama." That's the joke. If you want to be a bitter little man, then go for it. I'm done responding to you if you're this dense that you can't understand a simple joke.
SneakersSO
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I never said that xCloud was the only reason, and more importantly - I trust Google's word, and the CMA backing that up with their own research, than folks on the internet who don't have the full story of everything that went on. There is no reason for Google to get involved in regulator oversight; its highly unusual actually. Google could've easily made this claim, and the CMA found that just wasn't the case, and dropped the cloud SLC. Yet, the CMA didn't do this.
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feynoob
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POKEYCLYDE
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So the presupposition is that I'm an Xbox fanboy and would tacitly blame Sony for anything that could possibly jeopardize this deal. That's the joke.
Why that doesn't make a lick of sense is that ABK being in hot water actually improves the chance at a successful renegotiation.
It isn't analogous to "Thanks Obama", it's just a poorly thought out dig at someone who has been known to be in favour of the deal.
drganon
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SneakersSO
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Its hard to say. I cannot imagine ATVI's leadership is particularly excited at signing a re-negotiated merger agreement when the chance of getting the CMA block overturned is still just as low as its ever been. They've been unable to cut any deal for 18 months, their biggest marketing contract (Sony) for their biggest franchise (CoD) is on the cusp of expiring, and a 1st party is getting ready to start signing 3rd party deals for platform support and even marketing deals potentially (Nintendo).
Based on my experience, I imagine if ATVI were to re-sign a merger agreement, it will involve a shorter merger timeline (8-9 months max) with a far higher break fee - they would add the current $3b they are entitled to along with a premium for the extension; going as low as $4.5b to $6b (total) would totally be in the cards. At the absolute minimum, I viewed Kotick's Variety article yesterday as a form of corporate hedge betting and potential white-washing for a new buyer - there is no reason to position Kotick as sound leadership if the plan is to have him be out in the next couple of months. Theres a reason we only saw him during this process only if they felt the deal needed a cheerleader in the media.
The fact that the big focus of the Variety article was to wash current ATVI of culpability leads me to believe the plan is that they envision a likely scenario where they either need to continue with Kotick as CEO or court another buyer, potentially Viacom/Comcast.
POKEYCLYDE
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Now this is a joke that lands. Firefly and bitbydeath should take notes.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
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I read 3 post of him, the copium in this one is to strong for me, so...and that is an exception, i blocked him....
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PaintTinJr
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Completely, and there is a more subtler thing going on by being dependent on Windows, too.
The DirectX input interface would then becomes entrenched in every game solution being used on their cloud, which then means the template control pad solution to get supported by those cloud implementations of games start with ... you guessed it, an Xbox game pad, needing changed specifically for every game they'd license for their cloud solution because of DirectX updates cadence set by Microsoft. Whereas a custom linux spin by (eg) Stadia for their own gamepad through proton/WINE would be a one time solution that would become the default, just like it is for the SteamDeck in their Linux spin..
MasterCornholio
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feynoob
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It's their cloud commitment, which is part of this deal.
MasterCornholio
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It's not part of the ABK deal.
PaintTinJr
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I know quoting myself probably seems wrong, but this part of a previous comment made was really about whether Microsoft have made a bit of a mistake getting Beard to represent them.
AFAIK Beard was highly successful pre Brexit building his reputation where he only needed to win in the EU to win all the nations states, too.
Seeing the judge uninterested in how the EU do electronic documents makes me think that Beard's ideal scenario for fighting this appeal was to say the EU approved, here let me transpose their argument for a do over at the CAT and override the CMA argument, which I think is exactly the opposite of what a reinvigorated UK authority - as the highest authority for Competition in the land, since Brexit - wants to hear and will be hostile to such a tactic, more than say, if he said this is how the CADE do it and made their decision
Beard wanting it all to be like his normal EU safe space in a procedural way, suggests he might be a little off his game when the tribunal's implementation is going customized to the trial to save the judge work, and lower the burden on the CMA - going by the judges comments at the end.
AFAIK Beard was highly successful pre Brexit building his reputation where he only needed to win in the EU to win all the nations states, too.
Seeing the judge uninterested in how the EU do electronic documents makes me think that Beard's ideal scenario for fighting this appeal was to say the EU approved, here let me transpose their argument for a do over at the CAT and override the CMA argument, which I think is exactly the opposite of what a reinvigorated UK authority - as the highest authority for Competition in the land, since Brexit - wants to hear and will be hostile to such a tactic, more than say, if he said this is how the CADE do it and made their decision
Beard wanting it all to be like his normal EU safe space in a procedural way, suggests he might be a little off his game when the tribunal's implementation is going customized to the trial to save the judge work, and lower the burden on the CMA - going by the judges comments at the end.
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