Bernardougf
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I aint american but I think is the way law works overthere ? The company has the right to merge and than be processed against the merger ? Someone more knowledgeable in american laws can answer
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Ummmm:
1)The judge's son works for Microsoft
2)IF what Phil Spencer stated can legally bind the companies which made the deal it can hurt the FTC case that they will foreclose COD.
3)....the judge's son works for Microsoft
Nothing else so far really.
Thirty7ven
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It's alright when Xbox does it though.
It's alright when Xbox buys publishers though.
It's always when Xbox gets GP sub exclusives though. Or marketing exclusives.
It will be alright when Xbox gets Bungie games and uses that money against PlayStation though. Or MLB.
Also when Xbox stops doing something because they are in third place? Everybody gotta stop doing it. It's about what's fair.
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That is obvious, if FTC loses the decision will be appealed and the judge will be accused of conflict of interest.
Wouldn't you make just that if you were the FTC?
poppabk
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Everything they have done so far has been in the realms of normal competition. They haven't destroyed anyone, in fact they have still struggled to even compete at the same level. They have abided by contracts even when it meant they couldn't put there own game on their console. The FTC need to prove that they have a reasonable chance of winning in court in August.
yet_another_alt
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The only way this could get better is if the judge decides to adopt Phil Spencer mid-trial.
Dick Jones
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I know. Of all posters to get on the high horse.
Thirty7ven
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Seems like unless Phil Spencer went out there with a gun and shot the FTC lawyer, there was never a case and could never be a case.
Dick Jones
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Maybe the judge's son is more likely better at doing Matt Booty's job than Matt Booty. I never heard of the son's experience, but surely he can't be worse than Matt.
Vognerful
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As I understood, wasn't there another contract agreement between Nvidia and Microsoft signed at the same time, but the FTC could not disclose it's details?What, and you don't ?
jk, when even my work contact has options to renegotiate, I think it's a safe bet multi-year, multi-million dollar contracts would too.
Either way, that contract is for Nvidia, we don't know if the same terms have been sent to Sony and Nintendo for CoD, which waspoppabk 's original point.
reinking
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I don't personally care either way but that is why the judge should have recused herself. No appearance of conflict of interest.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They have multiple deals, including Geforce Now, Azure AI research etc, I recall something about another not fully disclosed deal a few days back but can't find any reference for it.
POKEYCLYDE
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Question: Why didn't the FTC bring up that conflict of interest when it was disclosed before the hearing and everything started?
DeepEnigma
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Or then the CMA was incompetent in the initial report, then not for correcting math and popping champagne bottles commenced, to being incompetent again.
Good question but I can only speculate: it's a good card to play if they need to appeal and ask an other judge to extend the current temporary injunction.
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harry mason 1989
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I faked my own death so I can escape silent hill
I don't care about Cheryl anymore
That crazy girl tried to kill me
She hired that monster to assassinate me
Don't believe her Crocodile tears
HeisenbergFX4
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Dolomite
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Bro what
just follow the hearing atp. The FTC are embarrassing themselves. Can't pin down the definition of a console, and have been cut off by the judge Multiple times during cross examination for wasting everyone's time.I'm honestly incredibly shocked that so few FTC employees have even a rudimentary understanding of the console space. They straight up asked why Minecraft wasn't optimized for the PS5.......when it was never optimized for the Series X either
xHunter
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Or when they found out one guy from the CMA used to work for a law firm that had Sony as their client. Cant just take some posters in here serious anymore
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Topher
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Good to see you, man!
MasterCornholio
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Probably why the CMA didn't choose that person to handle this merger. It would raise questions of conflicts of interest if that happened. Same guy also approved a merger for Sonys music division.
DeepEnigma
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That was actually the wrong person targeted.
SuperSaiyanWithDreads
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The best thing is going to happen if/when this goes through, Xbox becomes bigger but Sony is going to be more aggressive getting studios, so expect Sony to get bigger too. Win/Win
Dolomite
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I implore my fellow Gaffers to run a quick Google search of the FTC's track record in Federal court. It's astonishly unsuccessful. This could be Lina Khan's swan song if they don't pull it off
The FTC is to consumer protection what the SEC is to investor protection... A joke
The FTC is to consumer protection what the SEC is to investor protection... A joke
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GHG
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LordCBH
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Maybe that guy should take a look at the even worse shit Microsoft has done in the past.
Why don't you bring this valuable data by yourself here?
Can we look at all the cases they had in the last 5 years and calculate their success rate?
Sony
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The judge mentioned this at the beginning of the trial and asked if any of the parties objected to that judge leading the trial. Neither did, FTC included. Whoever makes a point of this makes a fool of him/herself.Ummmm:
1)The judge's son works for Microsoft
3)....the judge's son works for Microsoft
Nothing else so far really.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Exactly. This is as much of a factual statement as stating that the Judge has a son who works at Microsoft (not in the gaming division, mind you).
GHG
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Did she state this?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm not sure, it's what I read online.
Judge Discloses Son's Microsoft Job Ahead Of FTC Hearing - Law360
The California federal judge overseeing the Federal Trade Commission's bid to block Microsoft's $68.7 billion merger with Activision disclosed at a hearing Wednesday that her son works for Microsoft, then moved on to setting out the ground rules for a high-stakes five-day evidentiary hearing...
www.law360.com
Topher
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When there was a supposed conflict of interest in the CMA loosely tied to Sony 10+ years ago, then we had news articles popping up out of nowhere.
CMA Senior Director Used to Work for Law Firm Representing Sony
It emerges that a senior director at the UK Competition and Markets Authority has a history with a law firm that has represented Sony in the past.
gamerant.com
A CMA director, who blocked Microsoft's Xbox-Activision merger, previously worked for a Sony law firm (Update)
Conflict of interest identified?
www.windowscentral.com
CMA Senior Director has ties to Sony-affiliated law firm
The CMA (Competition and Markets Authority) has stood in the way of the merger of Microsoft and Activision-Blizzard. Now it has come to light one of the organization's senior directors has formerly…
nichegamer.com
CMA Senior Director Who Reportedly Blocked ABK Deal Previously Had Ties To Firm Representing Sony - Gameranx
A major discovery into the CMA reveals a conflict of interest which resulted in Microsoft's bid to acquire Activision Blizzard being blocked.
gameranx.com
Judge's son works for Microsoft, a direct connection, and I see one reference behind a paywall on law360...
Judge Discloses Son's Microsoft Job Ahead Of FTC Hearing - Law360
The California federal judge overseeing the Federal Trade Commission's bid to block Microsoft's $68.7 billion merger with Activision disclosed at a hearing Wednesday that her son works for Microsoft, then moved on to setting out the ground rules for a high-stakes five-day evidentiary hearing...
www.law360.com
If I'm going to point out scripts....one is a hell of a lot easier to see than the other.
I'm not saying this is a conflict of interest. As has been pointed out, the lawyers involved seem fine with it.
DeepEnigma
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When there was a supposed conflict of interest in the CMA loosely tied to Sony 10+ years ago, then we had news articles popping up out of nowhere.
CMA Senior Director Used to Work for Law Firm Representing Sony
It emerges that a senior director at the UK Competition and Markets Authority has a history with a law firm that has represented Sony in the past.A CMA director, who blocked Microsoft's Xbox-Activision merger, previously worked for a Sony law firm (Update)
Conflict of interest identified?CMA Senior Director has ties to Sony-affiliated law firm
The CMA (Competition and Markets Authority) has stood in the way of the merger of Microsoft and Activision-Blizzard. Now it has come to light one of the organization's senior directors has formerly…CMA Senior Director Who Reportedly Blocked ABK Deal Previously Had Ties To Firm Representing Sony - Gameranx
A major discovery into the CMA reveals a conflict of interest which resulted in Microsoft's bid to acquire Activision Blizzard being blocked.
Judge's son works for Microsoft, a direct connection, and I see one reference behind a paywall on law360...
Judge Discloses Son's Microsoft Job Ahead Of FTC Hearing - Law360
The California federal judge overseeing the Federal Trade Commission's bid to block Microsoft's $68.7 billion merger with Activision disclosed at a hearing Wednesday that her son works for Microsoft, then moved on to setting out the ground rules for a high-stakes five-day evidentiary hearing...
If I'm going to point out scripts....one is a hell of a lot easier to see than the other.
I'm not saying this is a conflict of interest. As has been pointed out, the lawyers involved seem fine with it.
That curated media network runs deep. Especially when you have FU money.
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GHG
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It's not a "got'cha", it's a fact that's been made public since the start of proceedings.
Oh, and welcome back.
TrueGrime
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It's not a "got'cha", it's a fact that's been made public since the start of proceedings.
Oh, and welcome back.
Thank ya! I thought I'd get RIGHT into it.
Oh and what I meant by gotcha is that the whole son angle would be a reason why the FTC is setting up for an appeal, which I think would hurt them even more since they already decided to proceed knowing that fact. Who knows.
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reinking
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I disagree. Maybe for warriors but for consumers consolidation is a lose/lose.
Topher
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Whether or not it truly is a "gotcha" remains to be seen. This could be grounds for appeal for the FTC and so they are keeping it in their back pocket. I'm just guessing, but so is everyone else so....
Phil Spencer was making those promises to his own lawyers, not the FTCs. The FTC tried to push it further and the judge said nope.
Does this prevent FTC from appealing if they lose?
Does the fact they accepted the judge mean that they can't complain later about how she handled the case which is something they couldn't know beforehand?
Edit: Actually I've read somewhere they could ask to change the judge within the trial!! I don't know if that's true.
In any case the fact the judge's son works for Microsoft isn't exactly an element that would make her inclined to judge against them unless forced by evidence. This is objective.
We'll see what happens.
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Topher
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I just listened to that google guy part. Fucking hell.
That was some cringey shit, wasn't it?
Topher
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There is a difference between disclosing the relationship and asking if anyone objected. You sure it was the latter?
Calverz
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How the hell did he not know this information??! No wonder stadia bombed! LolThat was some cringey shit, wasn't it?
splattered
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Companies have to be willing to sell in the first place...
GHG
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DeepEnigma
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Just like they shop around marketing deals, right?
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