Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?

  • Yes, will be approved without changes.

    Votes: 221 24.9%

  • Yes, will be approved but with structural changes to ABK.

    Votes: 102 11.5%

  • Yes, will be approved but only with behavioral concessions.

    Votes: 262 29.6%

  • No, will not be approved.

    Votes: 301 34.0%
  • Total voters
    886
  • Poll closed .
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ResilientBanana said:
...but they are the ones most suited for the job.
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Calverz said:
Dude we already know activision set up their stall to sell. You can't be naive enough to think tencent did not look into it. I mean do we hve evidence either way?
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This is a pure strawman. Show evidence, not because it sounds good to you in the PR FUD channels.

You could easily say Apple, but the FUD wants to gaslight people with China corporation. I'm sorry you fall for it.
 
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ResilientBanana said:
Not really, I'm seeing a lot of disinterest in Microsoft taking Activision under their wing, but they are the ones most suited for the job.
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If the goal is for Activision to become a deadline missing, shit game producing and poorly managed footnote about to be consigned to the annuls of history, then I agree 100%.
 
I think it's safe to start predicting Microsoft's next move after the injunction is denied. Immediately close the merger and go to "war" with the UK or use it as a boost for getting an extension with ABK and go through the CAT process?
 
DeepEnigma said:
It's like you can't even read.

Tencent isn't even in the conversation, so throw the "what if" bullshit out the window. That is all propagated FUD.
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They were listed in the 'exhibit K' email. Guess you consider that part to be just a thought experiment.
 
Kilau said:
I think it's safe to start predicting Microsoft's next move after the injunction is denied. Immediately close the merger and go to "war" with the UK or use it as a boost for getting an extension with ABK and go through the CAT process?
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It would be a ballsy move, if they did that.
 
cireza said:
www.theverge.com

FTC v. Microsoft: all the news from the big Xbox courtroom battle

Microsoft won its case against the FTC on June 11th.
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

I find this part particularly funny. Ryan says that it is beneficial for third-party developers to have exclusive deals. Well that's great, but isn't the whole discussion about defending consumers ? How is it beneficial for Xbox/other consumers to not have access to the next Final Fantasy game when the exclusive game is actually one from a previously multiplatform series ? Sadly we will never know, as his testimony was only a video.

The other point is : if it is beneficial for developers, then being bought by a big company like Microsoft should also be very beneficial for the exact same reasons, as it will reduce the development effort if the game is released on less platforms.
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This question -not the discussion- was to know why it's good for the third parties to make exclusives. Not every single question has to be about the consumers, this time was about the devs and their incentive to make exclusives.

What he said was right, but I think it would have been a better reply to add that even if both 3rd party (external deal) and 1st party (acquired) exclusives are exclusive, but only in the case of 3rd party deal case the platform holder pays to the dev enough to compensate the revenue loss of making it exclusive.

Kilau said:
I think it's safe to start predicting Microsoft's next move after the injunction is denied. Immediately close the merger and go to "war" with the UK or use it as a boost for getting an extension with ABK and go through the CAT process?
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MS can't close the acquisition, the CMA already killed it.
 
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I do feel like MS hired the big guns to represent against the FTC here... makes me feel like they are hopeful against the CMA if they are going in this hard in the US. They could have just come to the table with basic defense and said well damn we tried.
 
poppabk said:
They were listed in the 'exhibit K' email. Guess you consider that part to be just a thought experiment.
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There were no talks with Activision from Tencent.

There is a reason they are used for fear and uncertainty and not Apple. Where King would be just as attractive to them if it truly is about mobile SLC.
 
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BennyBlanco said:
They would rather fart out whatever the fuck Fairgame$ supposed to be.
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I have become emotionally invested, for no good reason, in that game being dogshit. I'll be miffed if it's actually any good.

BennyBlanco said:
Says who? Sounds like they wanted Sega to spin off it's game business and sell it to them. Nobody would stop that.
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Those e-mails, as I understand it, were from 3 years ago. While Microsoft obviously wouldn't want to try and buy two publishers at the same time, there were still opportunities outside those purchases to do so. So the question begs, why didn't it happen already?

It's possible it was all bad timing for them and other deals. But, Microsoft has already shown that they won't just spend any amount of money to get what they want. Sony basically outbid them on Bungie. So, did Sega ask for more money than Microsoft was willing to pay? Did Sega outright refuse them? Did the stricter Japanese control of foreign investment, which went into effect the same year that e-mail was made, interfere with their ability to buy their shares? Did Microsoft's higher ups turn down the idea? As far as I know, we didn't see what the answer was on the request to pursue them.

All we know is that they were targeted back during the start of the generation, but nothing materialized. Either they never pursued them, ran into serious difficulties, or Sega declined. That being said, I was surprised to see that Sega was the greatest extent of their ambitions 3 years ago. That Capcom, Square Enix, Bandai Namco, or any of the others were apparently not really considered.
 
dem said:
My head will never get past this nonsense about Nintendo not competing in the same market. It's simply absurd.
They're game consoles. You walk into Walmart.. they're in the same fucking corner. WTF does compute power have to do about it. That's just a lifecycle choice by nintendo.

So if Nintendo releases a console next year that is more powerful than Xbox and PS5... it just created a whole new market?
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I would argue the switch is almost 100 percent a handheld... i mean sure you can dock it.. but its pretty much just a handheld
 
Nydius said:
I see idiots are still babbling around here and ignoring basic facts like SE games didn't sell on Xbox in the first place so SE was already halfway out the door
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What's the point of Sony blocking games on Xbox if they don't sell on Xbox to begin with ? Pretty poor investment, if you ask me.

"Idiots" : only desperate people resort to insults.
 
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Kilau said:
Yes I know MS forced their hand but it's only forced if they could actually close the deal.
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No, it was forced so MS and Activision could have a decision before the merger deadline of July 18th. The outcome of this trial will determine whether they close or agree to an extension as they continue to appeal against the CMA, however, if this preliminary injunction is approved, then it's highly likely this acquisition is over.
 
yurinka said:
MS can't close the acquisition, the CMA already killed it.
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thats untrue. they can close. meta closed giphy even before CMA approval.
if the CMA appeals fails, MS has options. you heard about the ones about activision carving out the UK, yada yada yada
or they'll let the CMA take them the court, just like the FTC did.
 
Kilau said:
If that were true then why would the FTC be going for an injunction at this point?
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For the same reason that when a regulator of a country approved it the rest didn't go to approve it.

Each market has their regulator with different processes that they have to follow and complete independently of what other market regulators say.

The acquisition can't be completed without the greenlight from all of them. The CMA didn't give the greenlight so it's over. But they have to continue the process in the remaining countries (USA isn't the only one, I think there was a couple more pending at least some weeks ago).

Regarding the CAT, as far as they know they can't revert there the CMA decision. They will only discuss there about if the paperwork was done properly etc.

Calverz said:
Dude we already know activision set up their stall to sell. You can't be naive enough to think tencent did not look into it. I mean do we hve evidence either way?
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The evidence we have is that Kotick approached some big tech companies from USA to see if they were interested to buy.

Regarding MS, we know that a few days after ABK had that shitstorm harassment scandal Phil sent a mail to the MS employees saying that he was going to review their relationship with ABK. And 2 or 3 days later called Satya and made an offer to Kotick to acquire ABK.
 
DeepEnigma said:
FF16 was not on "Xbox and PS5"
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The more I hear from this the more apparent it is that between the judge, Microsoft's lawyers and the FTC, none of them actually understand anything about how this industry works or what its products are.

It's actually very interesting to hear both sides make arguments with such a modicum of understanding, but of course their knowledge of the law is what is most important at the end of the day.
 
Black_Stride said:
5% would switch according to the survey he used.
Then he converted that to a worldwide survey somehow.
And he ended up with 20% would switch?

P.S He didnt actually read the survey.


Judge pulls the plug......go eat and think about what youve done then comeback.

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It's hard to follow what's going on because we can't see and it's pretty boring but I'm pretty sure said 5% of PS users would switch but 20% of COD players.
 
They act like Sony's not allowed to have ANY 3P exclusives at all unless they just outright buy the publisher. Does this lawyer have any idea whatsoever that 3P deals are considered FAIR rules of engagement by many regulators? Including those in the United States?

She is wasting the court's time. Kick her off, move on to another argument worth having an argument about FFS.
 
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