zapper
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what I posted is just now, are statements of kotick. activision doesn't need microsoft or the deal to bring cod to switch or the next nintendo console. he said they were wrong in underestimating the console
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what I posted is just now, are statements of kotick. activision doesn't need microsoft or the deal to bring cod to switch or the next nintendo console. he said they were wrong in underestimating the console
roosnam1980
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bobby will ruin this merger?
zapper
Member
he stated that activision is considering doing so, he can't answer now because he doesn't know the specs of the next nintendo console
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Would Activision make Call of Duty available for the Switch without this merger? "We don't have any plans to do so."
If he had disagreed, I don't think there would have been a conversation. It's actually the content of the conversation where JIm is a part that is relevant.
With Jim Ryan's subsequent list of requests it was clear that they were going to reach a dead end. In fact, it's what Jim Ryan was looking for at that point.
splattered
Member
Can theoretically happen without it, but there are no plans to do so... but if the merger goes through then yes all of this will happen under Microsoft...
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Huh?
FTC: "So why would you sell if you disagree with MS strategy?"
Kotick: "It is literally my fiduciary duty to shareholders to sell if the price is right."
A CEO turning down a ridiculously high offer for their company would literally get sued lol
TLDR: FTC: "Why?" Bobby: $$$
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DForce
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Not if games like CoD, Diablo mobile, and others are outsourced.
The problem is that Phil was using COD mobile, yet a lot of their games are outsourced.
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Jemm
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Microsoft planned to turn the Moon into a giant Xbox-logo.
Vognerful
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We are ignoring a big part of what is making these game profitable is the IP
zapper
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harry mason 1989
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Bobby what are you trying to do 
Topher
Identifies as young
Very well may be true. Which also shows us that Jim Ryan's attitude about the deal at that point wasn't at all the same as it was in January.
Exactly, I do not think it is an advance when it comes to proving that the acquisition will prove harm to the consumer but rather the opposite ... And we must remember again, the obligation of the FTC is to prove that if MS acquires ABK there will be irreparable damage, not that if everything is given it will be the same or even improved.
roosnam1980
Member
soon..................
He's planning to invite him to lunch with the gang.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
The IP alone doesn't guarantee success. There's a reason why Sony brought in Bungie to assist with their GaaS titles.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Can you explain why?
I don't think anybody thought ABK couldn't do this without the deal. This deal is fundamentally different from Microsoft's "adopt a dev" method of operation for previous, much smaller acquisitions. This is a power play and expansionist. ABK is doing more than fine on it's own, obviously.
SirKicksalot
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They also use external contractors for the main games. Hiring external talent is normal and has been normal since the first ports to another platform 40 years ago.
Astray
Member
Plans change, what was supposedly an impossible offer last year can be actually offered this year.
All 3 benefits I mentioned earlier aren't things that cannot happen without Microsoft owning Activision. They can theoretically start happen tonight if the parties that be decide to do it.
(Example: I just saw my club, Arsenal, make a +£100m offer for a player, something that was unthinkable a year ago).
DeepEnigma
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Jigsaah
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I may have missed this part. What did Phil say regarding COD Mobile?
Ar¢tos
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He's thinking of all the babes he can get with his share.Bobby sounding like a man who wants his $3 billion asap.
DeepEnigma
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Sounds like the shareholders don't want to extend. Might impact the ability to make future marketing deals with upcoming titles, etc..
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Vognerful
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That is true, but it does not negate what was said earlier.
If IP value is good for the success of the game, and so is the talent behind it (Tencent), then why don't they get something that combines both (CoD mobile)?
splattered
Member
Do robots seek babes?
NickFire
Member
I'm in favor of people highlighting the reality of the situation as many times as people denied the reality of it before the hearings began. One landscaper can't undo the work of a thousand astro-turfers overnight.
Astray
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I personally never believed that this merger (and any merger really) has any particular benefit for us consumers that we cannot get without it.
Activision could agree a multi billion deal with Microsoft to put their titles on Gamepass today if Phil wants to offer it.
They can negotiate on their own with Nvidia Boosteroid etc to allow those titles to be streamed.
They can sit with Nintendo right now and strike a deal for a new COD on Switch 2.
There was literally zero reason we as consumers wouldn't get these things except for the wills of the big wig executives that are driving and supporting this merger.
But not because he feared that the acquisition would cause PS irreparable harm, but because he knew that by positioning himself against and lobbying with regulators he had a chance of having the acquisition blocked.
"I don't want to reach any agreement, I just want the acquisition to be blocked."
I think that's the line MS wants to argue...
Jigsaah
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm not even watching today, it was from a tweet on last page. Unless he said something else at a different time before/after that.
Thirty7ven
Banned
How could anybody believe otherwise?
If it happens Phil Spencer will have to pay like… 10k …. And two days of community service or some shit.
Unbelievable that the Judge went along with this false, whole joint is a parody, like something out of a satire.
DeepEnigma
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Come on, spill the beans. What was the tweet?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Jigsaah
Gold Member
Hmmmm, you got a point there.
So basically it ruins the narrative that the deal is, at it's core, for the gamer's benefit.
So there is a kind of tug-of-war happening between Kotick doing it for the shareholders and trying to spin it with Microsoft's narrative.
Interesting take. I agree.
NickFire
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I'm not convinced she did. Just because a judge moves on from a point it does not mean she disagreed with it. They don't like wasting their time on things to beat dead horses.
But if she believes Phil is being honest about his future intent, it could absolutely factor into a partial basis to deny an injunction. His ability to change his mind does not mean she has to believe he will in the immediately future.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
They would never cease operations in the UK, I think that's a total non-starter.
I don't think they are shrugging off the CMA at all, but they may know something we don't know. I think this deal should be blocked but none of these regulators are actually making great legal cases as to why. The FTC is flailing, and the CMA had to drop their main argument against the deal because they completely fucked up their math. They were left with using the wet-fart that is cloud gaming as their only argument against the deal.
For all we know MS has already lobbied behind the scenes and knows the CAT is going to slap the CMA down, much like the CAT did earlier this year with some things happening in the auto industry.
The CMA had a strong history of not being over-ruled by the CAT but that doesn't mean things can't change.
But I still think the CMA is going to persist on this case.. they seemed real dead set against the deal, and MS didn't make any friends during the case that's for sure. The human aspect of these decisions is just as important as the legal arguments, when you have as much power as the CMA does.
MS is acting a bit arrogant now, but they did the same thing during the CMA process and look at how that turned out.
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POKEYCLYDE
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Bobby 'mumbling Kotick over here, can't hear half the shit he's saying.
Topher
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No idea what his motivation really was. Just going by his words. But yeah, I can see why MS wants to push that narrative.
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DeepEnigma
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Bobby said, "Playing Call of Duty on a phone would be like using your refrigerator as a safe."
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Ew, a whole room full of mouth breathers.
splattered
Member
Talking about NG switch... i had a feeling when MS committed to bringing COD to switch they were talking about NG. Maybe a streaming version on OG switch?
You like many others misreading.
Phil has said plenty of times during email released and interviews how mobile is the way forward and ABK is PART of that for them to get into the mobile market. It doesn't matter WHICH are developing the games. How is that hard to understand? lol.
splattered
Member
WHAT... that's it for Kotick? Subscription Services and Nintendo Switch? Man he got off easy haha
It was the MS lawyer who interjected to stop him and not judge Corley. Recent email shows probable reason why, they want to make whatever they legally can exclusive and they wanted to save him from committing to anything else.Yes, he basically questioned Spencer on how he could guarantee on oath that CoD would be on Playstation when it is subject to mutual agreement with Sony. He was basically getting at the kind of questions I was raising, however the judge stopped that line of enquiry as I think she was worried it was going slightly off topic (the point had been made). Obviously some people interpreted this as "the FTC getting shot down by the judge"
He should have ended with "this is about mobile for MS so this shouldn't be a problem to your goals, when everyone plays we all win - with love Jim"
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I suppose they didn't consider talking about the absolute dumpster fire they have for a workplace culture.
Probably not relevant I suppose.
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
MS doesn't want to do these things - there is no way that Activision was going to do them out of the kindness of their hearts.
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