Varteras
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I mean he felt the need to tell Twitter that people were saying unflattering things about him in a gaming forum. I think that speaks for itself.
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I mean he felt the need to tell Twitter that people were saying unflattering things about him in a gaming forum. I think that speaks for itself.
RyanEvans21
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You forgot Titan Fall 1 & Dead Rising 1 Permanent exclusive to xbox also.
GTA 4 DLC (1 yr Exclusive to Xbox)
Tales Of Vesperia
Mass Effect
Ace Combat 6
etc....
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DarkBatman
SBI’s Employee of the Year
Only one of the games you listed is a permanent exclusive. And even there you have to put an asterisk, since SF5 has also been released for the PC.
By the way, MS also had a permanent deal with Capcom - or can you play Dead Rising 3 on PlayStation?
And MS also had many other games as permanent exclusives you decided to ignore completely.
Slowly this "Sony is getting worse" story should stop. Sony and MS are both merciless when it comes to exclusives. The difference is that MS pretends that evil Sony is forcing them into such tactics. Sony is simply going through with these deals because they are the reality on consoles.
dotnotbot
Member
Some DLCs were permanently exclusive to Xbox 360, NFS Shift Ferrari DLC for example.
93xfan
Banned
Very true. Now Sony needs to do free cloud saves
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93xfan
Banned
Arkham Knight Joker DLC was exclusive to PS3
93xfan
Banned
No, you selectively picked which words of mine to read.
But you're right about Dead Rising 3, even though it's nowhere near as big as the exclusives Sony picked up.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
is time to drop this narrative of only sony makes third-party exclusive deals/sony is worst.
its ridiculous and just shows the lack of self-awareness, parroting corporate messaging/influencers talking points and ignorance about the topic.
Freelance Yakuza
Member
SF5 supposedly wouldn't exist without Sony's financial support at the time, so maybe it shouldn't be included in the same list. The other cases are indeed franchises that had become multiplatform, and Sony swooped in.
Here is the thing: I don't think Sony is a saint. As a consumer, it is not in my best interest when a company pays to limit my choices. I just enjoy laughing at Microsoft's hypocrisy.
Let's not pretend they wouldn't do the same if they had at least the level of competitiveness they had during the Xbox 360 era (remember GTA 4 DLC?). Titanfall was probably the last time they were able to use their influence, right?
Varteras
Gold Member
is time to drop this narrative of only sony makes third-party exclusive deals/sony is worst.
its ridiculous and just shows the lack of self-awareness, parroting corporate messaging/influencers talking points and ignorance about the topic.
And you haven't even provided an exhaustive list. Not even close. Reality is, Microsoft played the same game everyone else did. They only stopped/slowed down because they fucked themselves so bad that they decided to just outright buy big companies instead of paying the increased cost for them to get the same deals.
DarkBatman
SBI’s Employee of the Year
I read what you wrote. And clarified that your first statement is simply wrong and two of the three titles mentioned are not permanent exclusives. And all of a sudden you jump from "MS never did that" to "MS' permanent exclusives have never been to franchises as big as Sony's".
This shifting of the goal post in discussions is getting on my nerves. MS and Sony are on an equal footing when it comes to exclusives. And several users have proven that to you in just a few minutes.
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Freelance Yakuza
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Just a fun fact: MS had a parity clause that forbade any developer from releasing exclusive content on disc. They had to ship the exact same content on both Blu-ray and DVD. This prevented developers from taking advantage of the extra space available on Blu-ray, and as a result, most exclusive content was only available as DLC on PSN.
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ChorizoPicozo
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yep. there are a lot more Bioshock and MassEffect were also exclusives.
ChorizoPicozo
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Embearded
Member
Remember that crap?
Also MS was the one during PS360 era who didn't eant cross play and one generation after that, they lost the lead and magically they were allowing it and made comments on how its good for the industry. Of course then Sony didn't want it....
All companies lie, try to manipulate consumers and do what's best for them, not for consumers.
93xfan
Banned
You're mostly listing things that were brand new franchises, or at least had never existed on console. I wish you read my comment more carefully.
Now with that said, you did list some valid examples:
Dead or Alive 4- sure. Keep in mind it was a year before the PS3 came out. Also the PS3 was notoriously difficult to develop for, so that may have had an impact on a number of these games. We don't know.
Ninja Gaiden has never been on PlayStation and may have required the more powerful Xbox to achieve their vision. PS3 did get an exclusive port of it though.
None of these are on the scope of Street Fighter or Final Fantasy though.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
or keep digging.
Embearded
Member
Starfield was a brand new game, Sony tried to get it as exclusive which made Microsoft acquire Zenimax.
Isn't that the story they tell?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/04/microsoft-passed-on-heavy-rain-due-to-child-kidnapping
another example of MS missing exclusives due to big evil sony.
another example of MS missing exclusives due to big evil sony.
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93xfan
Banned
That is absolutely true. MS totally flip flopped.
Can't argue with that
supernova8
Banned
I don't really follow many accounts. Maybe it's because I recently started following the official Xbox Twitter but that's only because I recently got a Series S and wanted to keep up to date with the new games coming to/leaving Game Pass without always having to go on GAF.
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bitbydeath
Member
Roblox is one of the most popular games of all-time, and still remains exclusive to Xbox since last-gen.
And far bigger than both of those combined.
How Many People Play Roblox 2025 [Player Statistics]
learn how many people play Roxlox with our detailed statistics & report. Find player count, number of accounts, etc.
www.demandsage.com
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DarkBatman
SBI’s Employee of the Year
We've already noted that neither FF7R nor FFXVI are permanent exclusives.
Could you perhaps list more examples of "evil permanent deals" from Sony? At the moment it looks like MS and Sony really don't differ much from each other.
Freelance Yakuza
Member
Microsoft had 20 years to build a solid collection of IP and studios. The problem is that their strategy was to let third-party studios create their exclusives (I'm not against paying someone to make a game that otherwise would not exist), instead of building a strong foundation of internal studios. This led to issues such as not having dedicated teams to continue the created IPs.
And this is a consequence of their mentality of throwing money at problems until they go away. There's an interview with Seamus Blackley
(the father of the original Xbox)
where he mentions that Microsoft, unlike Sony, didn't understand how the content creation process for entertainment worked. Sony had the experience from the music industry. He states that it was challenging to convince the people who created Office (which he said was an extremely profitable business) that you needed time, creative freedom, and investment to generate games.
So what happened? When arrogance* led to the creation of the Xbox One and the blocking of used games (and everyone hated it), they were left significantly behind the PS4, so paying for exclusivity deals was no longer viable. Nobody wanted to lose sales on the PS4 (remember when Square had to announce that TR would be released on another console?).
And now they come up with this talk that they are forced by Sony to buy studios. FFS
*Seriously, they have never won a single generation, at best, they tied and felt entitled to block used games and everything else...
Edit: Correction, MS did indeed invest in exclusives, they just bet in the wrong horse
(this list has 42 games for Kinect and 12 for "gamepad")
And this is a consequence of their mentality of throwing money at problems until they go away. There's an interview with Seamus Blackley
(the father of the original Xbox)
where he mentions that Microsoft, unlike Sony, didn't understand how the content creation process for entertainment worked. Sony had the experience from the music industry. He states that it was challenging to convince the people who created Office (which he said was an extremely profitable business) that you needed time, creative freedom, and investment to generate games.
So what happened? When arrogance* led to the creation of the Xbox One and the blocking of used games (and everyone hated it), they were left significantly behind the PS4, so paying for exclusivity deals was no longer viable. Nobody wanted to lose sales on the PS4 (remember when Square had to announce that TR would be released on another console?).
And now they come up with this talk that they are forced by Sony to buy studios. FFS
*Seriously, they have never won a single generation, at best, they tied and felt entitled to block used games and everything else...
Edit: Correction, MS did indeed invest in exclusives, they just bet in the wrong horse
(this list has 42 games for Kinect and 12 for "gamepad")
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93xfan
Banned
They aren't? Sorry, didn't know that.
Thought the exact opposite was said to be true here just a few months ago (except for the pixel remasters).
Okay, but only because you asked:
-They killed Socom. Not even a remaster of 2's online
-For some reason won't bring their PS2 remasters to their current ecosystem (God of War, Sly Cooper, Ratchet, Jak, ICO)
-their PS1 BC took forever and is being drip fed slower than even Nintendo would do
-shutting down servers too soon like Gravity Rush and Driveclub.
-bring back Jet Moto, Twisted Metal, Jumping Flash
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Man, I'm here lulz, and some here trying to get college credit for their research and opinion. We all know how this is going to end. Might as well embrace it.
bitbydeath
Member
Only question remains is, what will MS do with the 60B once it officially falls through.Man, I'm here lulz, and some here trying to get college credit for their research and opinion. We all know how this is going to end. Might as well embrace it.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Do you really want to embarrass yourself on this forum?
Video game servers are shot down all the time from Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony.
Do you know Bleeding Edge serve was shut down recently when it was a new game? What several Forza games?
Just because Sony hasn't remastered or re-released games, that doesn't mean they're evil. It costs money and they have to pay developers outside of their own to develop them.
If you want to go down this route, you can list tons of games companies that refuse to remaster/remake.
- Dead or Alive 3 and Dead or Alive 4 are Xbox exclusive because Microsoft made a teal with Tecmo for several exclusive games.
- Microsoft signed an 11 game exclusive deal with Sega back during the OG Xbox era
- Mass Effect 1 and 2 were timed exclusive to 360.
- PUBG is timed exclusive, which is bigger than Street Fighter 5 and Final Fantasy 7 and 16.
- Dead Rising 3 was made full exclusive. Dead Rising 3 was timed exclusive
- Rise of the Tomb Raider was exclusive
- Titanfall 1 was a full exclusive.
Titanfall Sales Pass 10 Million Globally - IGN
Respawn Entertainment boss Vince Zampella has thanked everyone who helped make this happen.
- Ark II is timed exclusive when the first game had millions of players a good amount of sales.
There's more.
It's like you got your talking points from twitter and failed lol
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93xfan
Banned
Did I say sony is the worst? I was pointing out a deal they did as well.
is time to drop this narrative of only sony makes third-party exclusive deals/sony is worst.
its ridiculous and just shows the lack of self-awareness, parroting corporate messaging/influencers talking points and ignorance about the topic.
And now knowing FF is not a permanent exclusive, I'm willing to concede that I was to harsh on Sony.
roosnam1980
Member
i feel for her
93xfan
Banned
Yes. Do you have a guide or a rule book you follow that could help with this?
Sony was notorious for shutting them down sooner prematurely. Drive Club, Gravity Rush 2. MS finally shut down Halo 3 servers just a few years ago. What Sony server is still up from gen 7
The Forza games getting shut down are from 2012 and 2014 if I'm not mistaken.
So they've gotten to you too…
Been there done that
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
The rule book is to use facts and don't move goalpost.
Your arguments are not based on facts and you continue to move the goalpost.
Servers are shut down because the games were unsuccessful. This is a common approach.
This is an example of goalpost moving. I mentioned servers that were shut down and you say, "Oh they're from 2014."
It's something all companies do. Try doing some research to see how many developers rarely put out remakes/remasters.
How many remasters/remakes has Microsoft created within the past 10 years?
freefornow
Member
Guarantee she will be 100% fine regardless of outcome.
i feel for her
Foes have beset her round,
Oh God, her foes confound,
And save the Queen.
Oh may she pure arise
From the foul calumnies
Breathed by hired spies,
God save my Queen.
Oh God, her foes confound,
And save the Queen.
Oh may she pure arise
From the foul calumnies
Breathed by hired spies,
God save my Queen.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
In your deposition, in PR717, you said, you were 98% joking.
bender
What time is it?
ToadMan
Member
I believe today will be final arguments from each side and then the judge deliberates - reviews the transcripts, evidence etc.
As far as I am aware, there is no time constraint on the Judge - she can announce a verdict when she feels ready to do so.
I think it's unlikely we hear anything today - if I had to guess it'll be next week some time because MS asked for an expeditious judgment. Precedent would suggest a normal timeframe of several weeks.
So its the calm after the storm before the next storm …
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Bernardougf
Member
For fuck sake is 5 am here and i just lol hard here beside the girlfriend... take it easy
Fabieter
Member
Ps3 never got the last remnant and it was announced for the platform and never canceled.
Bernardougf
Member
Nintendo doing the bare minimum and staying on top seems about right
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Nothing1234
Banned
93xfan
Explain FIFA FUT Legends being only on Xbox please?
FIFA 15 Ultimate Team Legends exclusive to Xbox One and Xbox 360
FIFA Ultimate Team Legends is exclusive to Xbox platforms for FIFA 15, EA has said.
www.eurogamer.net
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Calverz
Member
When I got my ps5 I couldnt believe they were charging for that. They are quite happy to squeeze every single dime out of their fans.
demigod
Member
Is that you Destin, lol.
Calverz
Member
You are correct. To a point. But as a die hard cod fan, I can categorically say, backed by facts, that once Sony had acquired the marketing deal etc, their approach for timed/exclusive content has been a lot more aggressive than Xbox ever was. To this day, there are multiplayer maps for black ops3, that are only on PlayStation and never released on Xbox and likely never will now. Not to mention exclusive forever skins etc. Even timed exclusivity on MODES in the game.
However, if Xbox had retained the rights, I do concede they likely would hve been as aggressive as Sony. But this is a hypothetical question to ponder. Therefore based on factual information, in relation to cod, Sony has been far more aggressive. Now we know how much they make from cod, and how much money they spend to make their big AAA games, I can see why Jim Ryan is shitting himself.
Ultimately, both are as bad as each other.
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Edmund
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Hey Destin if I eat your chocolate chip cookies will I turn into an Xbox Fanboy like yourself?
Will you give out 1 year's worth of Game Pass if I get some of your cookies? The double chocolate chip cookies look good.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
By the way, the Microsoft's SLT metrics (which Nadella and the top leadership look at regarding Xbox success) also excludes Nintendo. Check the last line.
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