DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Japan would not allow it.
Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
- Status
Topher
Identifies as young
Apple has a higher market cap than Microsoft. Sony has nearly twice the market cap of ABK. There is no way regulators would allow that acquisition, particularly Japan.
Last edited:
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Sony is filed under Japan's National Securities protection. Will never happen.
Apple is #2 in video games revenue. Above Sony.
kvltus lvlzvs
Member
so, wait, what you are insinuating is that Microsoft should be able to buy ABK now because Apple theoretically may buy Sony in the future? Correct me if I am reading this train of thought wrong.
Topher
Identifies as young
And Apple already has problems dealing with the DOJ as it is.
Apple faces growing likelihood of DOJ antitrust suit
An antitrust lawsuit against Apple would be a dramatic escalation in the administration’s battle against the tech giants.
www.politico.com
Wulfer
Member
I guess it would come down to how much Japan what's to compete. Interesting days ahead with AI, and computers in general. Sony's trying to crack VR but, it's just not there yet. VR could be the next videogame change but, we've been saying that for years too.
GHG
Member
It would be the largest corporate acquisition of all time if it were to happen, so it's not. Especially considering they compete in certain areas.
A strategic partnership could be carved out, but an outright acquisition? Never going to happen.
Last edited:
Wulfer
Member
No, I'm saying Sony should be looking a similar moves to stay on top.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Once again, it will never happen.
Japan puts Toyota, Sony on ‘national security’ list to counter China risk
Japan has put out a list of 518 companies subject to tighter foreign ownership rules, including Toyota and Sony, to raise scrutiny of industries considered key to national security.
www.scmp.com
Topher
Identifies as young
Once again, it will never happen.
Japan puts Toyota, Sony on ‘national security’ list to counter China risk
Japan has put out a list of 518 companies subject to tighter foreign ownership rules, including Toyota and Sony, to raise scrutiny of industries considered key to national security.
I think Japan, US, EU, CMA, and most importantly, CADE, would all say "oh hell no".
bitbydeath
Member
Even smaller companies like Sega aren't buyable outside of Japan.
Wulfer
Member
I hope right you are esp. blocking China!Once again, it will never happen.
Japan puts Toyota, Sony on ‘national security’ list to counter China risk
Japan has put out a list of 518 companies subject to tighter foreign ownership rules, including Toyota and Sony, to raise scrutiny of industries considered key to national security.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Partnerships with tech and software, sure, it's always been a thing with them. Even MS too.
Sony are the imaging sensors leader, so naturally Apple is going to gravitate towards them for VR, since they use them in the iPhones, iPads, iMacs, etc., for well over a decade now. MS partners with software, etc..
The mudslinging is all surface level, but it's deep in the fan guts, sadly.
Kilau
Member
I'm not saying it's going to happen but I believe that really only applies to China. The Saudi's are well above 1% ownership of Nintendo for example.Once again, it will never happen.
Japan puts Toyota, Sony on ‘national security’ list to counter China risk
Japan has put out a list of 518 companies subject to tighter foreign ownership rules, including Toyota and Sony, to raise scrutiny of industries considered key to national security.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
There is always plan A's and plan B's in forward thinking ever changing companies in the business world
Sony Is Reportedly Gearing Up For More Acquisitions
Sony doesn't want PlayStation to be left behind.
www.thegamer.com
If Japan feels threatened, they can force you to dump off assets at any time under this act. If refused, they can just seize them. They are not going to allow an outright purchase from a foreign entity.
Last edited:
Ogbert
Member
Why will they need money?
50-60B$ SIE spinoff to either Nvidia/Tencent/Google/Amazon etc could be a possibility
Last edited:
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Topher
Identifies as young
Wait......what? How is that even remotely a possibility?
Kilau
Member
Sure if they feel threatened, but I think there is a path for friendly countries under some circumstances.
SIE is a western entity since 2016, Japan wouldn't feel threatened as much as SIE is basically no different that SOE entity-wise (which they sold in 2014)
Last edited:
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Doesn't matter where it was started.
Sega - Wikipedia
This was also before (started in 1940) Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and well before Hawaii became a US State in 1959. They also were moved to Japan in the early 50's after the slot machine outlaw before Hawaii was even a state.
Topher
Identifies as young
I'm not talking about Japan. Why would Sony sell off SIE? That doesn't make any sense to me.
Edit: And why was my question funny?
Last edited:
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Topher
Identifies as young
This thread is getting wacky today.
Wulfer
Member
Ah, I forgot to look at when Hawaii became a State. Thanks for that.Doesn't matter where it was started.
Sega - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
This was also before (started in 1940) Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and well before Hawaii became a US State in 1959. They also were moved to Japan in the early 50's after the slot machine outlaw before Hawaii was even a state.
Also, If China moves on Japan I don't think these laws will give Japan that much comfort. Let's hope that day never comes.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I mean, why not? Let a company commit seppuku with their most cornerstone entity with the majority of their investments shifted to the brand.
We are in upside down world, after all.
At that point, we would all be at war.
Last edited:
graywolf323
Gold Member
they're just throwing stuff against the wall hoping something sticks in order to justify a $2.5 trillion company buying the largest third-party publisher
Last edited:
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Via Tweak Town, in documents filed by Activision prior to the hearing, they "identified large financial benefits from bringing Activision content to Game Pass", and also in cloud gaming services, opposite of what Kotik said. Looks like there's two different camp of thoughts at the studio.
Last edited:
Wulfer
Member
I mean, why not? Let a company commit seppuku with their most cornerstone entity with the majority of their investments shifted to the brand.
We are in upside down world, after all.
At that point, we would all be at war.
At that point it'll be.....
Last edited:
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yet... none of it has ever happened en mass. I wonder why that is?Via Tweak Town, in documents filed by Activision prior to the hearing, they "identified large financial benefits from bringing Activision content to Game Pass", opposite of what Kotik said. Looks like there's two different camp of thoughts at the studio.
Without seeing the redacted, we lose all context to what it pertains to. Which content, which timetables, etc., etc.. Kotick did speak on specifics when it comes to "day 1."
One thing is for sure, there is a huge financial benefit in the shareholders cashing out.
Topher
Identifies as young
Via Tweak Town, in documents filed by Activision prior to the hearing, they "identified large financial benefits from bringing Activision content to Game Pass", opposite of what Kotik said. Looks like there's two different camp of thoughts at the studio.
Uh yeah.....Microsoft sees more content boosting subscriptions and ABK sees a $69 billion pay day. "Financial benefits" all around.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
See. Without context, all nuance is lost. This isn't a Kotick gotcha, at all.
GHG
Member
Looks like there's two different camp of thoughts at the studio.
Bobby vs Lulu.
Bobby gets paid regardless. As for Lulu and co...
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah....if we read it like a "gotcha" then that means just more contradictions coming out of the MS-ABK camp.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Obfuscate and confuse. The
Unfortunately.
GHG
Member
Lulu and Kotick reimagined (Netflix version)
The rest of his C-Suite are scrambling around fighting for their lives to make this deal happen. Meanwhile Bobby:
GHG
Member
IFireflyl
Gold Member
Let me try again since your ears were apparently filled with console warring:
Nobody should give a shit what Sony wants. The acquisition is between Activision and Microsoft. Sony is going to do whatever they can to block this acquisition because it is bad for Sony. Nobody, regardless of which side of the aisle they fall in regards to this acquisition, should care what Sony says or does. If Microsoft and Sony had their places swapped in this acquisition, then I would still be saying the same thing about Microsoft. The competition that doesn't want the acquisition to go through can largely be ignored, aside from using data that the regulators request from them that provides clarity on how the industry works.
Quit crying about Sony. Jumping on the internet doesn't give you carte blanche to turn into a whiny bitch because someone doesn't like your favorite piece of plastic. Ignore Sony, and focus on the people who matter in this acquisition. That would be Activision, Microsoft, the lawyers/solicitors and judges/magistrates involved in the individual cases, and the regulators themselves. Nobody else matters.
ulantan
Member
Why would sony sell off its most profitable arm?
doubt they commiting soduko when their biggest focus rn is on Sensors/anime, also i doubt its a coincidence when their anime division haven't collaborated once with SIE (not even a single exclusive) while they make switch & xbox exclusives (cooking with emiya family switch exclusive & hero rpg whatever being an xbox exclusive for a year)
Im pretty sure they'd be fine as itll pave the way for them to acquire Bandai namco & kadokawa thus having the biggest monopoly on anime
Afaik it might be a timed thing if we assume that ms forcloses cod or its revenue if the deal closes, which i hope not since ms ceo made an oath about it, regardless SIE is definitely heading to an uncertain road if SIE doesnt go big by actually buying massive Jaoanese or western publishers & IP's to secure its longterm, and I sincerely hope its not Square Enix since they are on decline themselves (boy did MS dodge a bullet with going after Bethesda instead)
Last edited:
ToadMan
Member
I think that's exactly what happened.
Kotick said in the hearing that he wouldn't go to a sub service while independent. He had to say that…
The alternative would be him saying ATVI was open to put content on subs and cloud. This would render the MS claimed acquisition specific consumer benefits null, and indeed locking them to one platform provider is yet again anticompetitive when an independent ABK would shop their content around.
I think if the acquisition isn't closed we see ATVI start to dump their back catalogue on subs anyway - maybe even one they create for themselves.
And yeah, that means Bobby misled the Judge in court - but who hasn't?
MasterCornholio
Member
It is my duty to bring T.P to those poor people. They shall never have to use a sponge on a stick ever again.
Please donate to my charity. Its called bungholes in need.
Sanepar
Member
Why? Because if they want to compete they will need publishers. They will need money.
- Status
Similar threads
- Locked