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[PaintTinJr]

While I think you're right ATVI can refuse to go ahead unless all the terms of the contract of acquisition are met, I don't think the shareholders ...


Well the CAT starts 28 July for 6 days. It's difficult to see how a six day tribunal review requires 2 months of deliberation but I guess maybe..? I don't know.

All I remember from the CAT CMC is the chairman being amenable to expediting at the request of MS when the CMA wanted a slower timescale.


Indeed

In the CMC the judge IIRC was stating the position of the legislation that governs the CAT and CMA when his words sounded amenable. AFAIK it wasn't his own opinion on what was fair but a issue that if he failed to follow the legislation could be grounds for Microsoft to appeal his decision to the high court on failing to apply the legislation, which he certainly wasn't going to let happen IMO

 

[harry mason 1989]

I hope ms will buy playstation studio's next
I want my uncharted on Xbox

 

[analog_future]

I hope ms will buy playstation studio's next
I want my uncharted on Xbox

Phil will not rest until PlayStation Home 2 is an Xbox exclusive

 

[reinking]

I hope ms will buy playstation studio's next
I want my uncharted on Xbox

 

[HoofHearted]

Forever was a expression... they didnt give ANY official time frame... so could be weeks months years

Understood… and agreed. IF this were to go through somehow… I'd expect MS to still make the original 10 year offer to Sony in this particular instance…

Now - whether or not Sony accepts the offer based on Microsoft's terms and conditions would be the interesting outcome… because if Sony were to reject the offer … MS can simply walk away at that point… "Well we tried!"

 

[PharaoTutAnchAmun]

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[Unknown Soldier]

I hope ms will buy playstation studio's next
I want my uncharted on Xbox

They can just buy Sony and Nintendo and finally there will be an end to console wars when only one console remains

All hail Xbox, Green Uberalles

 

[harry mason 1989]

I'm team green now

 

[DeepEnigma]

Man, you just made me realize they can call the PS10 the PSX. Hope I and they live to see it happen.

Sony would never name a playstation in this casePSX instead PS6, cous MS and Xbox ownes the X patent...

They've been there, done that.

PSX (digital video recorder) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The SONY PSX Console is a HIDDEN GEM

The Sony PSX DVR was released in 2003 in Japan. Let's take a look at the PSX today which includes a built in PS1 and PS2.

www.juicygamereviews.com

 

[Bernardougf]

Understood… and agreed. IF this were to go through somehow… I'd expect MS to still make the original 10 year offer to Sony in this particular instance…

Now - whether or not Sony accepts the offer based on Microsoft's terms and conditions would be the interesting outcome… because if Sony were to reject the offer … MS can simply walk away at that point… "Well we tried!"

I dont think they will make any deal Sony can accept... and they wont propose a bad deal because they know sony will reject and expose them... the time for deals are over I think ... know they wil simply do or do not ... lets wait and see

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Already got my death threat draft ready to send. Never expected the PI to go through.

Ama throw in an unsolicited dick pick for good measure. Always get positive feedback for those

 

[Kilau]

Understood… and agreed. IF this were to go through somehow… I'd expect MS to still make the original 10 year offer to Sony in this particular instance…

Now - whether or not Sony accepts the offer based on Microsoft's terms and conditions would be the interesting outcome… because if Sony were to reject the offer … MS can simply walk away at that point… "Well we tried!"

I don't know that Sony could legally, for the shareholder benefit, turn away essentially billions in profit by blocking COD.

Realistically, they don't have a product to replace COD right now but if they feel MS is going to pull COD at the start of next gen maybe they would be smart to kill it now mid gen and deny MS that smooth generational transition. Again though I don't think they can do that.

 

[ToadMan]

In the CMC the judge IIRC was stating the position of the legislation that governs the CAT and CMA when his words sounded amenable. AFAIK it wasn't his own opinion on what was fair but a issue that if he failed to follow the legislation could be grounds for Microsoft to appeal his decision to the high court on failing to apply the legislation, which he certainly wasn't going to let happen IMO

Yes I get that.

The amenable bit I was thinking of was when the counsel for MS were pointing out the time constraints and saying that this has alresdy taken long enough and the process should be expedited to comply with commercial realities of acquisitions.

The chairman seemed persuaded by that argument for expedited hearings.

But I do agree that it seems Judges give the parties enough rope to hang themselves - they'll say yes to every request only to follow up with a "no" verdict at the end of it all.

 

[UnlovedJew]

wait why does everyone care about what this heisenberg person says, do they work for Microsoft or something in that circle?

 

[splattered]

wait why does everyone care about what this heisenberg person says, do they work for Microsoft or something in that circle?

Yeah who is this "Heisenberg" person? Never heard of him

 

[harry mason 1989]

wait why does everyone care about what this heisenberg person says, do they work for Microsoft or something in that circle?

He's our best insider

 

[UnlovedJew]

He's our best insider

what has he given details on/been right about? I haven't been tuning in much here

 

[HoofHearted]

I don't know that Sony could legally, for the shareholder benefit, turn away essentially billions in profit by blocking COD.

Realistically, they don't have a product to replace COD right now but if they feel MS is going to pull COD at the start of next gen maybe they would be smart to kill it now mid gen and deny MS that smooth generational transition. Again though I don't think they can do that.

Legally? They probably could… the shareholders would probably riot outside of corporate offices though…

 

[Unknown Soldier]

He's our best insider

I thought you were our best insider

 

[splattered]

what has he given details on/been right about? I haven't been tuning in much here

He doesnt really play the "insider" game

 

[JohnnyFootball]

If Obsidian aren't making New Vegas 2 or something along those lines then he's a grade A plonker.

Agreed. Avowed failed to impress me, but I'm sure I'll still play it,

 

[HoofHearted]

Already got my death threat draft ready to send. Never expected the PI to go through.

Ama throw in an unsolicited dick pick for good measure. Always get positive feedback for those

Pitiful sarcastic laughter could be interpreted as positive feedback to some…

 

[Kilau]

I thought you were our best insider

I'm the best inside her.

 

[HoofHearted]

I'm the best inside her.

 

[Heisenberg007]

 

[Bernardougf]

In the bright side we can have DarkMage619 posting here again by Monday!

 

[Heisenberg007]

In the bright side we can have DarkMage619 posting here again by Monday!

 

[Bernardougf]

Who we have left ?
He can easly win comeback player of the year .... by sheer absence of competition since the rest of the army has been banished to hell

 

[Vognerful]

Phil Spencer has said multiple times that COD would not be taken away from PlayStation. Also said it under oath.

I know they did, but you have to be kidding me if we are going to pretend that we are not hearing arguments from this thread that CoD is going exclusive. "the did consider it! In their financial analysis!", Coupled with "look at their emails for Minecraft!" Have been the background of such claim.

If these things pointless and Microsoft isn't going to make it exclusive after acquisition, than why are wasting our time arguing about here, in Heisenberg007 thread and other places?

 

[DeepEnigma]

I know they did, but you have to be kidding me if we are going to pretend that we are not hearing arguments from this thread that CoD is going exclusive. "the did consider it! In their financial analysis!", Coupled with "look at their emails for Minecraft!" Have been the background of such claim.

If these things pointless and Microsoft isn't going to make it exclusive after acquisition, than why are wasting our time arguing about here, in Heisenberg007 thread and other places?

Topher is holding them accountable for their words. Emotional attachments can't see that's all he's doing.

It's not like Phil would ever lie, would he?

 

[RedC]

Phil is all Lihp.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

wait why does everyone care about what this heisenberg person says, do they work for Microsoft or something in that circle?

yes

 

[mckmas8808]

Why would it matter? When Volkswagen bought Porsche you think anyone cared that Volkswagen didn't make thier own Porsche? Nobody batted an eye. Organic growth is a total fanboy argument. Activision was for sale. Would you rather Amazon or Google buy them?

Actually, yes I would.

 

[Kilau]

Actually, yes I would.

Google especially so we would be rid of ABK in short order.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Amazon or Google buying ABK would be so much better, why wouldn't it? This is such a dumb question, like Xbox fans can't see past their lawn.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Amazon or Google buying ABK would be so much better, why wouldn't it? This is such a dumb question, like Xbox fans can't see past their lawn.

A lawn is green...

 

[DeepEnigma]

Amazon or Google buying ABK would be so much better, why wouldn't it? This is such a dumb question, like Xbox fans can't see past their lawn.

yOu dOnT wAnT tEnCeNt tO bUy tHeM dO yA?

But "organic growth," an actual corporate term is defining fanboy arguments.

A lawn is green...

Been brown for quite some time. Not being watered too much over the years.

 

[Vognerful]

Topher is holding them accountable for their words. Emotional attachments can't see that's all he's doing.

It's not like Phil would ever lie, would he?

Topher

I guess you and I are minority here

 

[ToadMan]

yOu dOnT wAnT tEnCeNt tO bUy tHeM dO yA?

I actually genuinely don't know what the problem is with Tencent… is it just the Chinese ownership factor?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Topher

I guess you and I are minority here

 

[Topher]

I know they did, but you have to be kidding me if we are going to pretend that we are not hearing arguments from this thread that CoD is going exclusive. "the did consider it! In their financial analysis!", Coupled with "look at their emails for Minecraft!" Have been the background of such claim.

If these things pointless and Microsoft isn't going to make it exclusive after acquisition, than why are wasting our time arguing about here, in Heisenberg007 thread and other places?

The subject of COD going exclusive or not has been ongoing for months and there isn't just one side to that argument. You asked "till when" and I told you what Phil Spencer said. Plenty of folks here don't believe him and they have evidence to back up their position, but that doesn't mean they are automatically correct. It is up to Microsoft to honor the commitments they have made.

 

[Vlodril]

I don't know why so many people focus on cod when the real problem if ms managed to get the acquisition through is that it's going to be a free for all for everyone. Sony will certainly start buying a lot more and so will probably ms and maybe other companies as well. So many games that could play on every platform before will turn out exclusive on one or another platform.

Most people do not have the luxury of owning multiple consoles.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I don't know why so many people focus on cod when the real problem if ms managed to get the acquisition through is that it's going to be a free for all for everyone. Sony will certainly start buying a lot more and so will probably ms and maybe other companies as well. So many games that could play on every platform before will turn out exclusive on one or another platform.

Most people do not have the luxury of owning multiple consoles.

that wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Dick Jones]

I actually genuinely don't know what the problem is with Tencent… is it just the Chinese ownership factor?

Yep. No other reason I've ever heard.

Some think Tencent money = Chinese censorship

Saudis are treated the same that their ownership = censorship

 

[DeepEnigma]

I don't know why so many people focus on cod when the real problem if ms managed to get the acquisition through is that it's going to be a free for all for everyone. Sony will certainly start buying a lot more and so will probably ms and maybe other companies as well. So many games that could play on every platform before will turn out exclusive on one or another platform.

Most people do not have the luxury of owning multiple consoles.

That's why there are those of us who are against consolidation of the industry. Especially of already healthy 3rd party publishers.

It won't end well.

 

[ulantan]

I don't know why so many people focus on cod when the real problem if ms managed to get the acquisition through is that it's going to be a free for all for everyone. Sony will certainly start buying a lot more and so will probably ms and maybe other companies as well. So many games that could play on every platform before will turn out exclusive on one or another platform.

Most people do not have the luxury of owning multiple consoles.

Dead on the same people today that support this aquisition will be mad as fuck when capcom games are exclusive. The bigger picture is bleak.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

yOu dOnT wAnT tEnCeNt tO bUy tHeM dO yA?

But "organic growth," an actual corporate term is defining fanboy arguments.




Been brown for quite some time. Not being watered too much over the years.

Over MS?
Yes

 

[ToadMan]

Yep. No other reason I've ever heard.

Some think Tencent money = Chinese censorship

Well I haven't seen any evidence of that censorship or nationalism in Tencent content. Certainly not as much as that being produced in the West.

But anyway the Chinese like to make money - Tencent seem to be happy to sell their content far and wide and not coerce anyone onto a platform so I'll take that over removing content to coerce consumers down a particular path.

Saudis are treated the same that their ownership = censorship

Again that may be true inside Saudi Arabia - but I don't think they're doing it to produce ideological content, they're doing it to make money. If the products cannot be sold in Saudi I think the owners won't care.

 

[DeepEnigma]

removing content to coerce consumers down a particular path.

Bingo.

That's the end game. Cloudy with a chance of more clouds.

 

[PaintTinJr]

Yes I get that.

The amenable bit I was thinking of was when the counsel for MS were pointing out the time constraints and saying that this has alresdy taken long enough and the process should be expedited to comply with commercial realities of acquisitions.

The chairman seemed persuaded by that argument for expedited hearings.

But I do agree that it seems Judges give the parties enough rope to hang themselves - they'll say yes to every request only to follow up with a "no" verdict at the end of it all.

Yeah, we're talking about the same bit discussion it seems, because the legislation does require the CMA and CAT to conduct their work in a time orderly fashion - or something to that effect, Microsoft's Barrister and the Chairman were discussing as to why the CMA's issue were their issues, while they remained with in the realms of fairness.