Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)
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DeepEnigma
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CMA and EC be like,This reads like a Judge that agrees with Microsoft that consoles need to go away and the cloud is the Future of Gaming.....
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This is A LIE!!!! There's a reason why Nvidia made the 4090 GPU line. You think PC gamers agree with the bolded here?
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
This reads like a Judge that agrees with Microsoft that consoles need to go away and the cloud is the Future of Gaming.....
The judge is an idiot. If you believe cloud is the future then by default CoD will be foreclosed on eventually
MS will not put it on Sony's service. They have no reason to
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GHG
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Why does that need to be part of the criteria?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That's the thing about it all. Both the FTC and CMA are worried about losing in an actual court case but they think they can work together to delay so Activision pulls out.The point is Microsoft is delaying on its own by asking CAT to pause the appeal. So there really is no need to disallow FTC a stay because there is literally 0 harm in that.
It's not like Microsoft is planning to close the acquisition illegally over the CMA, isn't it?
When the CMA blocked the deal on cloud gaming the FTC gained leverage. When the FTC lost, CMA lost leverage.
It appears to me that the judges so far have been aware of these delay tactics. Which is why the CMA failed to get and extension and the FTC failed to an get injuction
And both have made the argument that it should be delayed because the other is still investigating instead of using their own merit.
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rofif
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M$ going all digital, sony will have to follow unfortunately.
meanwhile, fucking psn running at 30-50 mbits on my 600mbits connection (which steam happily saturates 100% no questions asked).
And yeah, my ps5 is ethernet wired. On other day, I can get 300mbit out of it. Still bad.
So yeah, hail to the full on digital future. One day it works, other day it's shit.
Then there is likes of EA which tries to destroy even steam version of their games.
Mass Effect 2 now has new [edition] which now requires launcher with their account.
Gta 4 now requires rockstar launcher and it didn't for the first year I owned it.... oh and they removed a bunch of music few years ago.
Digital sucks = therefore I am all against m$ getting any upperhand. Look at ff16? full real game on a disc. No need to even patch it.
meanwhile, fucking psn running at 30-50 mbits on my 600mbits connection (which steam happily saturates 100% no questions asked).
And yeah, my ps5 is ethernet wired. On other day, I can get 300mbit out of it. Still bad.
So yeah, hail to the full on digital future. One day it works, other day it's shit.
Then there is likes of EA which tries to destroy even steam version of their games.
Mass Effect 2 now has new [edition] which now requires launcher with their account.
Gta 4 now requires rockstar launcher and it didn't for the first year I owned it.... oh and they removed a bunch of music few years ago.
Digital sucks = therefore I am all against m$ getting any upperhand. Look at ff16? full real game on a disc. No need to even patch it.
mayham2199
Member
The CMA hasn't lost a court case though only the FTC has.
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GHG
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It's not about gamepass, this whole discussion regarding the switch has never been about gamepass.
This is about whether the switch version of COD will be technologically sound compared to the Xbox Series and PS5 versions. You're insistent that it will be, so put your money where your mouth is.
FrankWza
Member
You have to sell your xbox if you buy a switch? Damn, phil run his shit tight.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I really hate when I launch Apex on Steam and it still opens EA desktop. Same with Jedi Survivor. Is there no way around this?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Sleepwalker
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Doesn't matter, all you need is enough NPCs to think like that and it will happen. Will be a very sad day.
These are the same people that complain that the quality of stuff like Netflix is subpar and going down.
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Varteras
Gold Member
The FTC announced in December 2022, half a year ago, that they were suing to block the deal and had a court date set for August. The CMA blocked the deal two and a half months ago. MS never extended the deadline. Either because they couldn't get ABK to agree, or because they thought that, somehow, the deal would be done before then.
GHG
Member
What do you think a "native version" is then?
Are you now going to tell me that the "native" version of COD on the switch will in fact be the mobile version? Or will it be the same game that exists on consoles with crossplay etc?
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I think the judge had a point though. If the FTC said they were suing to block, why wait til end of June and conveniently when Xbox is rumored to threaten to close to take em to court. They should have done that earlier this year. I side with the judge that they were using the deadline of July 18th and the courts ability to do a PI to kill the deal entirely.
That doesn't seem ethical given they announced this in December of 2022.
Sleepwalker
Member
It's sad that you have so many issues with PC because for me the moment my consoles stop taking discs and cartridges is the moment I go to PC full time, no point in paying for online and having to buy only from one closed and overpriced store.
I do think Sony will keep supporting discs at least for the PS6 because they get paid for every blu ray. I also think Nintendo won't leave physical behind just yet. I have very little interest in xbox as a console anymore.
Sanepar
Member
I agree with u but I hope at least pc master race stays as an option of dedicate local hw.
But right now infrastructure is a shit for cloud worldwide and latency still a problem even for entreprises. Mayve in 20 years they will solve that. Doesn't matter if works great in 5-10 countries. They need scale.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
But, again, ABK isn't pulling out, is it? If there was any risk of ABK pulling out, why would Microsoft ask CAT to pause the appeal and potentially add 4+ months to the whole thing?
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
We all heard/saw the hearings live, why are you suddenly pretending like this wasn't directly addressed just a few days ago lol. I know it's late in the time zone but still ..
It will be a version tailored to its respective hardware. Literally no one expects them to dump the 300GB PS4 version on Switch carts in a 1 : 1 capacity.
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havoc00
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I was gonna ask, if the appeal gets granted tomorrow and pushes this back to sept/oct does ACT just say screw this?
Dick Jones
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Sleepwalker
Member
No way to know, I would assume its up to the shareholders to vote again.
I have no idea what Activision, the CMA, and Microsoft have planned.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Well yeah, Captain Vague of planet Obfuscate finally admitted after his typical BS.
Xbox Finally Admits Call Of Duty Will Run Worse On Switch
After many vague statements, Phil Spencer admits Call of Duty on Switch won't compare to Xbox, PlayStation and PC.
www.thegamer.com
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Well yeah, Captain Vague of planet Obfuscate finally admitted after his typical BS.
Xbox Finally Admits Call Of Duty Will Run Worse On Switch
After many vague statements, Phil Spencer admits Call of Duty on Switch won't compare to Xbox, PlayStation and PC.
Of course, like I said, a version tailored to the relative hardware. Why expect or try to compare it with the next-gen versions on a 1 : 1 basis. Makes no sense.
GHG
Member
Right, so aleggedly it will play the same but just look different?
I see no problem in you purchasing the switch version instead then. It should be a technological marvel well worthy of ownership.
rofif
Banned
I have no problem with PC... at least not in the post you quoted. I have 600 games on steam.... + other stores
Anoying to see some of them be modified though....console is the last bastion of physical games and I don't like seeing it die.
Varteras
Gold Member
The FTC moved for a PI likely because they suspected that MS would try to close the deal before hand. Again, the FTC already had a date set. They had already gone through their own motions. MS and ABK, despite also being blocked by the CMA, which is notorious for taking a long time to ultimately still say no, were not extending the deadline. The FTC probably anticipated that they would when the August date was set and the CMA already said no. When there was no extension movement and word started that MS was looking to just close, that's probably when they jumped. The onus is not on the regulator to ensure sufficient time. To which there was, for them to renegotiate a new timeline.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
This acquisition saga will come to an end before I get over this jiggleThe game is developed by the Choctaw people.
Side note: Love and respect to the Choctaw for their support in the 1840s
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
havoc00
Member
It just seems like ACT is in a way better position now than it was when this was first agreed on, not to mention a free 3 billion if they walk and this headache over with? Time will tell I guess
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You had people on team green in this thread and other threads arguing just that. It was always lunacy, bruv.
People kept saying it won't have the same features as the full fat game like PRhill Spencer was eluding to, and Xbox fans were pushing back against them even more so when the CMA themselves said "no fucking way will it be a comparable version."
So much gamer amnesia.
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DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
This was more than likely due to hardware limitations than anything else. If it's actually on the Switch then it will take more than a year to develop it.. So all signs point to ABk already having plans to release on the new Switch console.
Yeah, I think Microsoft is just praying the switch 2 comes out next year and they can ignore the switch.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
So you're saying the FTC expected an extension? Why would they hedge their bet on that? They have no inkling of the inner dealings between Microsoft and ABK. If they had a stronger case, they should have gone to court immediately, giving Microsoft less time to prepare for this.
The fact of the matter is that the case was not strong to begin with, and they were likely relying on the regulators to stop the deal. I'm sure they didn't anticipate Microsoft considering a nuclear option. However, if a strong case was presented, the FTC wouldn't have to rely on the judgement from the CMA, they could have stopped the deal themselves.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Yes. But the momentum MS has apparently built (at least on the surface level) may encourage ABK to stick to it and renegotiate the contract if they have to.
Or ABK sticking by MS until July 18 could all be a show so they can easily get the $3 billion in the end
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Which was always Activision's plan. It's already been in development, bet.
havoc00
Member
Yes. But the momentum MS has apparently built (at least on the surface level) may encourage ABK to stick to it and renegotiate the contract if they have to.
Or ABK sticking by MS until July 18 could all be a show so they can easily get the $3 billion in the end
If I was Phil i wouldn't trust Bobby as far as I could throw him lol
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I don't know where these signs are, Kotick's direct quote is
""I think we would consider it once we had the specs but we don't have any at present"".
'would consider' is hardly a smoking gun.
Well, I can't vouch for what every user said but my post history is pretty transparent. I've also maintained that when they (MS) say bringing the games to Nintendo hardware, it likely means the next one. Not the current one.
mayham2199
Member
Yes. But the momentum MS has apparently built (at least on the surface level) may encourage ABK to stick to it and renegotiate the contract if they have to.
Or ABK sticking by MS until July 18 could all be a show so they can easily get the $3 billion in the end
I guess the main question is who gets to decide to pull out of the deal or not? Cause if it's just Bobby I would expect him to pull out of the deal the minute he gets a chance to. He did not seem like a man who wanted to sell. On top of that he comes across as someone who likes being the CEO of one of the largest game developers in the world and the #1 selling game year after year. That title comes with privileges that no amount of money is going to get him.
Varteras
Gold Member
The FTC set the administrative court date many months ago. The ball was then in MS's court to decide how to proceed. EVERYONE was waiting on the CMA decision. When they said no, the FTC likely thought that was either the end of it, or that the deadline would be extended because of how long it takes to argue with the CMA. MS, knowing both situations, did not extend. The FTC started hearing that MS may just close. They were likely caught off guard with the situation or Lina Khan wanted to use this somehow, so they jumped. No matter how you try to slice it, MS knew months ago what the situation was and either wouldn't or couldn't extend.
The strength of the FTC case is irrelevant to the point. Blaming the FTC for the timeline of events is absurd.
kvltus lvlzvs
Member
I agree with your sentiment. These companies have tons of money to blow bow but this will not last forever. Disney plus, for example, bleeds a billion every quarter and Disney only has 10b cash on hand. Stadia. Luna. Netflix has never been profitable and only exists because of stonk hype and ever decreasing interest rates on loans.
The streaming rent everything model isn't working so well, but companies are still fighting for dominance within the sphere.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
so is the appeal granted ot dismissed? i have seen people saying Khan is being destroyed today
Topher
Identifies as young
That was about her in front of Congress.
HeisenbergFX4
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havoc00
Member
And then what more waiting? Isnt there a deadline for a reason lol
zapper
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I read that ftc asked for a stay and that must be granted by friday. I'm not understanding anything, I don't even understand if it's this ninth circuit that has to agree or the judge who denied them the pi lol what's the point of asking judge corley
here a thread
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