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FoxMcChief
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Not always. Sometimes there's DLC added to gamepass. Gears 5 and I believe ESO get some DLC, but not the latest ones. And sometimes DLC is in the perks section of game pass.
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Punished Miku
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It blows my mind that people don't see the value of a rental when game purchases are all about buying time. If you can literally wait 1 year, the game is a fraction of the cost. You could be saving $40-50 on each game you buy a year later. Buy 3 games and you saved 150 that year, which almost pays for the sub, and you own those 3 games and rent like 100 others.
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Deleted member 848825
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lol What you mean a tip like, best get a job else where mate
HoofHearted
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anything of importance happen yet?
havoc00
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I used to slip them a fiver for good service or if they would give me the used case with the actual cover art and not the generic shit they used to use.lol What you mean a tip like, best get a job else where mate
Vox Machina
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Game Pass also gets you all the Heroes in League of Legends and Operators in Valorant, "DLC" you would otherwise have to buy if you were a "permanent purchaser"
DryvBy
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Nah, were all just fighting for fun.
Vox Machina
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I think a lot of people just truly believe you're actually incapable of buying the game if you sub to Game Pass. Game Pass users have the exact same options as the "permanent purchasers" but get to exercise those options usually at a discount, and in exchange they get access to the catalog of games and special perks (like the above-mentioned Riot Games perks).
SportsFan581
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"settlement talks"
Only thing to "settle" is which one of Microsoft's buttcheeks FTC needs to kiss.....
Me thinks they probably should have tried this BEFORE a federal judge got a good look at their case but...
Maybe MS will throw them a bone and guarantee CoD on PS for 10 years.
DeepEnigma
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Nobody believes that. Truly.
What we can recognize, is a system in place that is designed to extract the most out of dum dums; not unlike something EA would conjure up.
POKEYCLYDE
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Gamepass is value destructive and can't possibly make Microsoft money whilst simultaneously extracting as much money from it's users as possible.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Reread that again, and try to see the logic that is right there in what you wrote.
Amazing, lol.
Vox Machina
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Then you haven't been paying attention or you don't know what you're talking about. Game Pass users trade their sub. fee's for access to a catalog of games and sub-specific perks. That's it. Everything else is the same as it is for the "permanent purchasers".
Pretty sure that's sarcasm boss
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PaintTinJr
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it does nothing for the SLC. British businesses will be able to become dominant successful players by innovation in the world of cloud gaming the minute CoD belongs to Microsoft to exploit their resources with the IP in the rest of the world. It is pre-emptively killing their ability to compete and making the market smaller while still in nascent form. The judge has understood that clear point from the report going by the way he schooled 30-40 barristers in the CMC the other day.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Tell FTC it's only because of them, give Lina the pyrrhic victory she needs.
skit_data
Member
Nah, the tip as in "the pointy end" for convincing me to buy Lost Planet instead of the cheaper and in retrospect much better Assassins Creedlol What you mean a tip like, best get a job else where mate
DeepEnigma
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The 5 day early access and DLC to something you don't own for a premium of $35quid... context and nuance.
That is designed to extract from dum dums.
Topher
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Yeah, I agree. To me, I just don't think it is wise to own part of game and yet not own the base game. The moment I'm thinking about buying an expansion for a game or if I want the early access option then, to me, that negates Game Pass.
I think it also important to consider that not everyone subscribes to Game Pass year round. I'd imagine many people subscribe if/when a game is on the service they want to play, which actually makes the most economical sense, outside of folks like me who pay for it with MS Rewards. In those situations, buying DLC makes even less sense.
With FM7 they even made a solid and gave the game away to anyone who bought DLC when it was delisted. Not that I would expect this for other games but it was a nice gesture.
But I agree with you, you can also buy DLC for PS plus games which are "gone" after the sub ends. As long as you can still purchase the base game it's fine.
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Alex Scott
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Looks so defeated
havoc00
Member
We are all tired at this point
gothmog
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You get everything except the latest because they're trying to sell you the latest via FOMO. It works well and honestly I like that more than the typical F2P shenanigans. Destiny was kinda like that for a while until they got into the seasonal model. I wish they would go back to that over the tired model they have now.
Vox Machina
Banned
What stops you from owning the game, should you want to?
DeepEnigma
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MarkMe2525
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Your buying decisions are yours and I respect that. It's serendipitous that this topic came up as I was just debating what to do about Starfield, as I am a Game Pass subscriber. I have been eyeing the expansion pass that's 10% off, and I justified it by telling myself if I decide to take a break from Game Pass, the base game will surely be on sale at that time.
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DeepEnigma
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Me? Nothing. I'm not a FOMO dum dum who will pay $35 for a game I don't own.
You're not a FOMO dum dum, are you?
Vox Machina
Banned
I don't think it's unwise to invest in value-adds when you have access to the base game. You get to experience that content. Again, the option to purchase the game is right there, should you want to exercise it.
SportsFan581
Member
Exactly, they have next to zero leverage now, basically just the threat of hassling MS with frivolous legal proceedings in the future, which at this point MS must be feeling really confident about.
Hard to see them extracting anything more from this than what MS was willing to give up from day one.
Topher
Identifies as young
I do. We disagree.
PaintTinJr
Member
The judge's words throughout the CMC demonstrated he knew Sony's prior position and needed to know the CMA weren't responsible for them caving in.
And he can ask those in front of him for whatever he deems necessary to understand what is at play and make his decision "more robust" as he put it, when asking for the info.
Vox Machina
Banned
You usually don't own any game you "purchase permanently" via Steam or Console marketplaces. You own a license to access the game, which can be revoked permanently without your consent. You aren't a dum dum, are you?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The judge's job isn't to know or care for Sony's positions tho ...
GHG
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bUt tHoSe gAmEs wIlL AlWaYs bE AvAiLaBlE On tHe sUbScRiPtIoN SeRvIcE
which doesn't even hold true for the Forza games considering historically they get delisted due to licensing
Ah the classic "why buy anything then" bullshit argument. Not like we haven't heard that one before.
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PaintTinJr
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It is when they represent the dissent for the deal by consumers, which his CMA was supposed to be doing but instead hung Sony and the entire industry of gamers out to dry like the corrupt or incompetent proceedings that took place in the US.
DryvBy
Member
They're not scheduled to be revoked when you purchase that license. All first party is on Game Pass, right? So let's race in Forza Horizon 3. I have my copy, does Game Pass?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
This is where the conversation is now regressing to. Okay, Greenie, it's time to stop posting.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No it isn't and Sony do not represent all customers in this whole case.
Topher
Identifies as young
Well....I come on strong in debates sometimes, but I do get everyone has to make these decisions for themselves. Ultimately, it is your money so you do what you think makes the most sense, bro, and ignore blowhards like myself.
Varteras
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GHG
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PaintTinJr
Member
They represent all customers in the high-end console market that incur harm from the acquisition, just like the Zenimax deal.
MarkMe2525
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Can we agree that all that really matters is the truth, and this can only be obtained by making an inquiry to Sony. MS's and the CMA's interpretation of why Sony ended up agreeing to the deal could only come from a place of ignorance, that is unless Sony had their internal discussions in the presence of the other parties (I doubt that).
Topher
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DeepEnigma
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Vox Machina
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MarkMe2525
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Varteras
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POKEYCLYDE
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When Bobby Kotick and other publishers talk about Gamepass being value destructive, he's not talking about the value for consumers. He's talking about his bottom line. He's talking about what value the publisher can get out of Gamepass.
The fact is people will say Gamepass isn't profitable to fit their argument then turn around and say Gamepass extracts more money from consumers than the standard business model when it suits them.
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