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[DForce]

Yes, they both do it. The difference is that Sony can go for bigger games (even wanted Starfield) + longer durations while MS usually can only go for smaller games.

Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
Final Fantasy XVI (full)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Remake
Forspoken (24+ months)
Deathloop
Ghostwire: Tokyo
Silent Hill 2 Remake
+ many more like Stray or Kena

vs.

Stalker 2 (only 3 months)
Hello Neighbour 2
Scorn
High on Life
and so on

Can only go for small games?

They got PUBG was one of the biggest games of the Last generation for a 1 year exclusive deal.

They have ARK II and the first game is bigger than all the PS games you listed so far.

 

[mrmustard]

Can only go for small games?

They got PUBG was one of the biggest games of the Last generation for a 1 year exclusive deal.

They have ARK II and the first game is bigger than all the PS games you listed so far.

I said it before, if they wanted to they could buy 10.000 elephants and paint them pink. But it doesn't make any sense econimically. We are not in the last gen anymore (they also tried Tomb Raider btw). Is ARK even a AAA game and sells so much on consoles? I thought it did less on PS4 in several years than FF 16 in just a few weeks with a much smaller install base.

 

[DForce]

I said it before, if they wanted to they could buy 10.000 elephants and paint them pink. But it doesn't make any sense econimically. We are not in the last gen anymore (they also tried Tomb Raider btw). Is ARK even a AAA game and sells so much on consoles? I thought it did less on PS4 in several years than FF 16 in just a few weeks with a much smaller install base.

You're moving the goalpost. What Microsoft has done this gen is buy publishers.

Ark has 57k peak players within the past 24 hours on steam.
21 on most Xbox games played.

It's not a small game.

Deathloop, Forespoken, and Ghostwire are both niche/small games. The game thing can be said about Silent Hill. If you think they're big games, then that would be like saying Stalker 2 and Warhammer (Xbox exclusives) are big games, too.

It's a lie to say that they're only going after small games.

 

[mrmustard]

You're moving the goalpost. What Microsoft has done this gen is buy publishers.

Ark has 57k peak players within the past 24 hours on steam.
21 on most Xbox games played.

It's not a small game.

Deathloop, Forespoken, and Ghostwire are both niche/small games. The game thing can be said about Silent Hill. If you think they're big games, then that would be like saying Stalker 2 and Warhammer (Xbox exclusives) are big games, too.

It's a lie to say that they're only going after small games.

You move goal posts, we are talking about 3rd party exclusives, not publishers. The only interesting ARK number is the PS4 sales, not current steam players.
Deathloop, Forespoken, and Ghostwire are all AAA games, don't talk them small like they were something like Hello Neighbour. I marked Stalker, because i think that's kind of a bigger game.

 

[DForce]

You move goal posts, we are talking about 3rd party exclusives, not publishers. The only interesting ARK number is the PS4 sales, not current steam players.
Deathloop, Forespoken, and Ghostwire are all AAA games, don't talk them small like they were something like Hello Neighbour. I marked Stalker, because i think that's kind of a bigger game.

I mentioned big games so I didn't move the goalpost.

I named publishers because there's no need for them to go after big games since they're acquiring publishers.

Ark: Survival Evolved Hits 1 Million Early Access Sales - IGN

The open-world dinosaur survival game is really making waves.

www.ign.com

ARK: Survival Evolved has sold 5 million copies on Steam Early Access, but launch pushed back - Gaming Respawn

ARK: Survival Evolved has consistently been one of Steam’s top sellers since releasing in Early Access last year and has been going from strength to strength. However the game’s success hasn’t prevented its full release from being delayed as the game will now miss its June release date and will...

gamingrespawn.com

The game grew over time.

Ark II is not going to be some small game.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Yes, they both do it. The difference is that Sony can go for bigger games (even wanted Starfield) + longer durations while MS usually can only go for smaller games.

Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
Final Fantasy XVI (full)
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Remake
Forspoken (24+ months)
Deathloop
Ghostwire: Tokyo
Silent Hill 2 Remake
+ many more like Stray or Kena

vs.

Stalker 2 (only 3 months)
Hello Neighbour 2
Scorn
High on Life
and so on

Are you actually suggesting that Sony paid for 2 years+ of Forspoken exclusivity??
LOL
That's full force trolling.
Ever considered that the exclusivity periods ended and Square considered not profitable (or not profitable enough) to port the games to Xbox?

 

[feynoob]

I mentioned big games so I didn't move the goalpost.

I named publishers because there's no need for them to go after big games since they're acquiring publishers.

Ark: Survival Evolved Hits 1 Million Early Access Sales - IGN

The open-world dinosaur survival game is really making waves.

www.ign.com

ARK: Survival Evolved has sold 5 million copies on Steam Early Access, but launch pushed back - Gaming Respawn

ARK: Survival Evolved has consistently been one of Steam’s top sellers since releasing in Early Access last year and has been going from strength to strength. However the game’s success hasn’t prevented its full release from being delayed as the game will now miss its June release date and will...

gamingrespawn.com

The game grew over time.

Ark II is not going to be some small game.

This is not a console seller game like FF16.

There is a difference between those games. Having a higher player count or higher sales means nothing.


No man's sky sold 10+m copies. Does it mean it's the same rank as ff7r?
Not really.

 

[mrmustard]

Are you actually suggesting that Sony paid for 2 years+ of Forspoken exclusivity??
LOL
That's full force trolling.
Ever considered that the exclusivity periods ended and Square considered not profitable (or not profitable enough) to port the games to Xbox?

It was said "at least two years" even before the release of the game so yes i guess they didn't offer that for free.

I mentioned big games so I didn't move the goalpost.

I named publishers because there's no need for them to go after big games since they're acquiring publishers.

Ark: Survival Evolved Hits 1 Million Early Access Sales - IGN

The open-world dinosaur survival game is really making waves.

www.ign.com

ARK: Survival Evolved has sold 5 million copies on Steam Early Access, but launch pushed back - Gaming Respawn

ARK: Survival Evolved has consistently been one of Steam’s top sellers since releasing in Early Access last year and has been going from strength to strength. However the game’s success hasn’t prevented its full release from being delayed as the game will now miss its June release date and will...

gamingrespawn.com

The game grew over time.

Ark II is not going to be some small game.

Exactly. They are going for publishers, because buying big 3rd party games is uneconomical. I have no idea what kind of deal they have with ARK and if they helped or whatever, but since it didn't sell gangbusters on PS4 i don't think it was too expensive and the question is also how long is it not on PS5. Maybe it's just 3 months like Stalker 2.

After the AB deal i think we will see more big Sony deals and less Xbox deals. Let's talk again in 3-4 years and make a list.

 

[DForce]

This is not a console seller game like FF16.

There is a difference between those games. Having a higher player count or higher sales means nothing.


No man's sky sold 10+m copies. Does it mean it's the same rank as ff7r?
Not really.

It means something when you're trying to determine if a game is small or not.

Deathloop, Ghostwore, and Forspoken weren't big games and the data proves that.

Final Fantasy 7 and 16 are major sellers on PS consoles and PC, but Final Fantasy games don't have a huge audience on Xbox (See Final Fantasy 15).

No Man Sky same rank as Final Fantasy 7: Remake? No Man Sky got off to a very slow start. It was broken and dealing with a lot of backlash. The game grew in popularity over time. However, the player count is low and I'm not basing my argument on sales data alone, I'm using sales and concurrent player count which is strong after all these years. This means the fans of this series will likely jump to Ark II quickly when the game is released.


You can't argue when games are more popular overall. The fact is, Ark is not a small game. If Sony released their GaaS titles and most of them retained players for this long, it would be considered a major success.

 

[DForce]

It was said "at least two years" even before the release of the game so yes i guess they didn't offer that for free.


Exactly. They are going for publishers, because buying big 3rd party games is uneconomical. I have no idea what kind of deal they have with ARK and if they helped or whatever, but since it didn't sell gangbusters on PS4 i don't think it was too expensive and the question is also how long is it not on PS5. Maybe it's just 3 months like Stalker 2.

After the AB deal i think we will see more big Sony deals and less Xbox deals. Let's talk again in 3-4 years and make a list.

It didn't take long to sell a million on PS4.

ARK: Survival Evolved PS4 Has Sold Over 1 Million Copies

Jeremy Stieglitz, co-founder of Studio Wildcard, reveals that ARK: Survival Evolved has sold over 1 million copies on PS4 since the game released for the system.

gamerant.com

It's even bigger overall, especially on PC.

Final Fantasy will likely sell a lot more on PS consoles, but likely won't match Ark sales on PC and Xbox, thus making it a bigger game.

Do you want to continue with the narrative that its a small game when data is proving you wrong? lol

 

[Bigbelly]

Can only go for small games?

They got PUBG was one of the biggest games of the Last generation for a 1 year exclusive deal.

They have ARK II and the first game is bigger than all the PS games you listed so far.

I could be misremembering but wasn't Skyrim a timed game too?

 

[KingT731]

I could be misremembering but wasn't Skyrim a timed game too?

No that was Oblivion.

 

[mrmustard]

Do you want to continue with the narrative that its a small game when data is proving you wrong? lol

Data isn't proving me wrong, it's proving you wrong. You said ARK is the biggest game from my list, but FF16 sold more and faster even with a much smaller install base (~75m vs 40m).

Final Fantasy XVI Has Sold 3 Million Copies

The sales include both digital and physical copies.

80.lv

 

[feynoob]

It means something when you're trying to determine if a game is small or not.

Deathloop, Ghostwore, and Forspoken weren't big games and the data proves that.

Final Fantasy 7 and 16 are major sellers on PS consoles and PC, but Final Fantasy games don't have a huge audience on Xbox (See Final Fantasy 15).

No Man Sky same rank as Final Fantasy 7: Remake? No Man Sky got off to a very slow start. It was broken and dealing with a lot of backlash. The game grew in popularity over time. However, the player count is low and I'm not basing my argument on sales data alone, I'm using sales and concurrent player count which is strong after all these years. This means the fans of this series will likely jump to Ark II quickly when the game is released.


You can't argue when games are more popular overall. The fact is, Ark is not a small game. If Sony released their GaaS titles and most of them retained players for this long, it would be considered a major success.

It's all about business strategy.

Some gamers are for revenue like ark games, while others are only to expand your console reach.

Having games that sell consoles will give you more benefits in the future. (Future games sales cut, accessories and online subscription fees.

Sony is targeting games that expands their reach while maximizing their revenue in return.

People don't buy consoles to play ark. It's good revenue, but not for console sales.

That is the difference between MS and Sony approach.

Most money lies in expanding your console reach, which allows you to get more games and customers.

It's why MS felt threatened. Xbox relevance were diminishing, as they didn't have major 3rd party games that can move their console.
Though, Sony isn't the only one that is impacting Xbox. Steam is also taking their userbase due to day1 pc.

Sony is just efficient with their strategy. Though that would all come down to their PC games approach. PC day1 will have huge affect on that like how it's doing to Xbox.

 

[Ar¢tos]

I could be misremembering but wasn't Skyrim a timed game too?

Given the state of the ps3 version, it kinda was a "timed exclusive" for a good 6 months - 1 year (an exclusive that MS didn't even need to pay for).

 

[DForce]

Data isn't proving me wrong, it's proving you wrong. You said ARK is the biggest game from my list, but FF16 sold much more with a smaller install base (~75 vs 40).

Final Fantasy XVI Has Sold 3 Million Copies

The sales include both digital and physical copies.

80.lv

Yes, it SHIPPED 3 million copies in the first 3 days. They're not all sales. God of War and Spider-Man sold 3 million in 3 days. Final Fantasy 16 shipped. That being said, Final Fantasy 16 is still selling good according to Square.

With Ark hitting 1 million on PS4, the game has now sold 7 million copies across all platforms. Ark is at 4.5 million copies sold on PC, and the game hit 1.5 million on Xbox One as of August 2016 (after debuting in December 2015). All of this comes despite Ark's unfinished state. Studio Wildcard does plan to finally "release" Ark later this year, but — for now — it is still in an early-access form.

Mind you, this game was still in early access. Ark continues to grow and sell a lot of copies.

It's a cadence that has worked well so far. Ark has sold 16 million copies across PC and console, with ten million installs on mobile, and it's often one of the most played titles on Xbox Game Pass. Rapczak attributes this to the steady release of expansions, saying Ark has "fallen into a sustainable revenue model."

Overall, Final Fantasy cannot keep up the pace across all platforms and it's the bigger game.

 

[feynoob]

I could be misremembering but wasn't Skyrim a timed game too?

Most of the PS3 timed or exclusives were the result of Sony fking up their OS.
A lot of devs had issues making the game for the system.
Same thing happened to Xbox one. Later gen, the console was too weak for some games, which made the devs drop it. RE4 remake.

 

[DForce]

It's all about business strategy.

Some gamers are for revenue like ark games, while others are only to expand your console reach.

Having games that sell consoles will give you more benefits in the future. (Future games sales cut, accessories and online subscription fees.

Sony is targeting games that expands their reach while maximizing their revenue in return.

People don't buy consoles to play ark. It's good revenue, but not for console sales.

That is the difference between MS and Sony approach.

Most money lies in expanding your console reach, which allows you to get more games and customers.

It's why MS felt threatened. Xbox relevance were diminishing, as they didn't have major 3rd party games that can move their console.
Though, Sony isn't the only one that is impacting Xbox. Steam is also taking their userbase due to day1 pc.

Sony is just efficient with their strategy. Though that would all come down to their PC games approach. PC day1 will have huge affect on that like how it's doing to Xbox.

No matter how much you spin this, it's not a small game. You're only guessing what's a console seller and what's not. The fact still remains that it's a million-dollar seller with a good following. Trying to say, "it's not popular on console" doesn't negate the point. lol

Counter-Strike would probably do worse than most major shooters on Console, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's one of the biggest shooters on the market.

 

[mrmustard]

Yes, it SHIPPED 3 million copies in the first 3 days. They're not all sales. God of War and Spider-Man sold 3 million in 3 days. Final Fantasy 16 shipped. That being said, Final Fantasy 16 is still selling good according to Square.

With like 80% or so being digital sales. But whatever, i hope you'll have a nice weekend. Over and out.

 

[DForce]

With like 80% or so being digital sales. But whatever, i hope you'll have a nice weekend. Over and out.

That's the overall. Games with physical releases aren't that high.

You should follow more sales threads because you have no idea what you're talking about. lol

I'm done. No longer derailing this thread.

 

[feynoob]

No matter how much you spin this, it's not a small game. You're only guessing what's a console seller and what's not. The fact still remains that it's a million-dollar seller with a good following. Trying to say, "it's not popular on console" doesn't negate the point. lol

Counter-Strike would probably do worse than most major shooters on Console, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's one of the biggest shooters on the market.

How is that a spin?
I defined you how these games target different business strategy.
It's not about the userbase, but what it does for the console maker.

 

[HoofHearted]

Any product or service produced by the literal devil is never good value

All of you subbed to sinpass should be genuinely ashamed of yourselves

 

[Deleted member 848825]

Redfall will be looked back on in 15 years as a cult classic and the start of the new era of vampire games

Well its certainly a game you want to look back on via your rear view mirror!

 

[KingT731]

Most of the PS3 timed or exclusives were the result of Sony fking up their OS.
A lot of devs had issues making the game for the system.
Same thing happened to Xbox one. Later gen, the console was too weak for some games, which made the devs drop it. RE4 remake.

This is only partially true. A lot straight up purchased like the majority of their Japanese support. See: Star Ocean 4, Tales of Vesperia (these 2 titles in particular outsold their 360 releases within 1 month of the release on PS3) etc but some of those got ported with additional content and some stayed exclusive (at least in the west) until the games were re-released nearly a decade later.

 

[HoofHearted]

Come back to me when Netflix produce a show with the same cultural impact as something like Blackadder, Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, Mr Bean, Little Britain, Breaking Bad or The Office.

 

[feynoob]

This is only partially true. A lot straight up purchased like the majority of their Japanese support. See: Star Ocean 4, Tales of Vesperia (these 2 titles in particular outsold their 360 releases within 1 month of the release on PS3) etc but some of those got ported with additional content and some stayed exclusive (at least in the west) until the games were re-released nearly a decade later.

Japanese games are exception.

PS3 sold 10m there, unlike x360 which sold 1m.

 

[Umbasaborne]

So another 3 months of legal console wars?

 

[KingT731]

Japanese games are exception.

PS3 sold 10m there, unlike x360 which sold 1m.

Even in the west we saw that was the case more often than not and this is while also not excusing the PS3's issues(that was a compound issue). In Japan most of that was done at the start of the PS3s life (long before that 10M console sales mark) and was particularly heavy with Square-Enix games.

 

[feynoob]

So another 3 months of legal console wars?

No, it depends on the judge vs CMA+MS.
If the judge pauses, then the process will be faster.

 

[Varteras]

I doubt the muricans here will recognize half of those names.
How dare you not include Absolutely Fabulous??!?

I grew up on Monty Python and Mr. Bean, good sir!

 

[azertydu91]

Come back to me when Netflix produce a show with the same cultural impact as something like Blackadder, Monty Python, Fawlty Towers, Mr Bean, Little Britain, Breaking Bad or The Office.

Blackadder, man I haven't hear about it since ages ago ...Even though I was more a fan of a bit of fry and laurie, blackadder was great.

 

[Rubim]

Why are we treating Timed exclusives as a Sony thing? MS has done the same plenty times.

Yea, it's all wrong.

My point it's not about that (member Tomb Raider?)

My point is that buying the publisher is sadly the evolution of that.

 

[adamsapple]

Black mirror wasn't created by Netflix ffs.

What on earth has happened to this thread? I come back and it's still people shilling and defending gamepass like their lives depend on it. One guy even triple posted in order to do so.

It's inevitable.

PS. I have never seen Blackadder


*runs away*

 

[Topher]

Geez.......apologize to the thread for my part in the Game Pass debate yesterday. This thread has taken a left turn into warrior land.

Maybe New Zealand will block soon....

 

[adamsapple]

Geez.......apologize to the thread for my part in the Game Pass debate yesterday. This thread has taken a left turn into warrior land.

Maybe New Zealand will block soon....

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

It's a good thing you can still purchase those 3rd Party games if they're leaving the service, then, huh?

You've completely missed the point.

If you buy the games after they leave the service, the value of GP evaporates. Why even subscribe in the first place? Otherwise, you're subbing to a service so that you don't have to buy games... then buying games... you're paying twice.

Let's be real... barely anyone is doing this. And Xbox software sales data from every major publisher proves this.

As far as sustainability, I think MSFT has proven that not only is it sustainable, it's profitable, and will likely command higher profit margins going forward.

Lol, oh my sweet summer child.

Anyway, this GP talk is off-topic.

 

[brian0057]

Geez.......apologize to the thread for my part in the Game Pass debate yesterday. This thread has taken a left turn into warrior land.

Maybe New Zealand will block soon....

The EU greenlit the deal and the FTC lost. And from the looks of it, they're gonna lose the appeal as well.
If the CMA reaches a deal, NZ blocking the deal will just mean that Microsoft will simply not do business there, unless a deal is also reached.

 

[Topher]

The EU greenlit the deal and the FTC lost. And from the looks of it, they're gonna lose the appeal as well.
If the CMA reaches a deal, NZ blocking the deal will just mean that Microsoft will simply not do business there, unless a deal is also reached.

I was kidding about NZ. Just hoping the thread gets back on track.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

I was kidding about NZ. Just hoping the thread gets back on track.

I will bring it back to what really matters while we wait for NZ

 

[Bernardougf]

I was kidding about NZ. Just hoping the thread gets back on track.

I think im going to have a meltdown . It usually do the trick in keeping gamepass fans focus on the merge subject

 

[SportsFan581]

You've completely missed the point.

I think that most people that reference buying a game after it leaves the service are referring to just specific games that they are getting a lot of replay value from. Everyone has those games that they keep going back to throughout the months/years (KSP, AoE, C&C, and Crazy Taxi are the biggest ones of those for me). You could even take Starfield as an example, I have 3yrs of GP already prepaid, obviously I'll use that to access Starfield throughout that period, I don't need to buy it. Now let's say that for some reason I discontinued GP after these three years but still had not finished Starfield yet or just loved the end-game of it, once I've lost access to the game on the sub I would buy it. But now it is three years old and available for $15 on a holiday sale, thus I still saved money in comparison to buying it at full price on launch day.

The exception to this is if someone subscribed to GP JUST for Starfield, but that is unlikely to begin with.

 

[brian0057]

I was kidding about NZ. Just hoping the thread gets back on track.

Got it.
Same.

 

[Mod of War]

Just hoping the thread gets back on track.

Yes- everyone do.

Thank you.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Maybe New Zealand will block soon....

You can't trust those tossers to do the right thing

 

[feynoob]

I think I found the new call of duty spin off. Call of anime.

 

[Vox Machina]

Man it's gonna feel so bad when all of this shakes out for a demonstrably worse experience for UK gamers using cloud gaming (all 5000 of them) in the name of "competition".

 

[adamsapple]

I think I found the new call of duty spin off. Call of anime.

Switch version is gonna be juuuust fine.

 

[Three]

Man it's gonna feel so bad when all of this shakes out for a demonstrably worse experience for UK gamers using cloud gaming (all 5000 of them) in the name of "competition".

Using MS's deceptive talking points I see.

 

[GHG]

Man it's gonna feel so bad when all of this shakes out for a demonstrably worse experience for UK gamers using cloud gaming (all 5000 of them) in the name of "competition".

If the tag fits, wear it.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Man it's gonna feel so bad when all of this shakes out for a demonstrably worse experience for UK gamers using cloud gaming (all 5000 of them) in the name of "competition".

$MSFT