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[The Pleasure]

Possibly.

But that chain selling the burrito might be using national pricing. Same price anywhere you buy it.

Stores and restaurants can have different pricing strategies.

- National
- Regional
- Zone
- Store by store (every man for himself where it can be a franchise model and they have freedom to price it what they want within a range)

That's one possibility. But i also eat at a decent amount of local restaurants. Their prices are nearly the same as the local places in California. And Texas minimum wage is less then half of the minimum wage of California. Also food isn't really cheaper in Texas. A lot of it is on par or costs more than California.

 

[Blade2.0]

fast food just needs to be automated 100%.

The prices won't go down.

 

[Nobody_Important]

*Bottom level employees get paid something worth a damn*


Capitalist Society built on systemic inequality: "I WILL NEVER FINANCIALLY RECOVER FROM THIS. "

 

[Blade2.0]

They aren't. They are about to be out of what job they had

So, it didn't pay enough anyways? Better to relax and be poor than work your ass off and be poor.

 

[Blade2.0]

I remember when I was making 9 dollars an hour when I was 20 years old and I thought I was the cat's pajamas lol.

Your $9 probably went further than this $20/hr.

 

[Nobody_Important]

I'm not exactly old, but I have lived long enough to see the tears of blood cried by those who have no skin in the game when minimum wage is raised. Every single time it happens you get people who cry, bitch, and moan that these bottom level employees are finally making something that is worth a damn. Yet I never see people pop in to these discussions and threads regarding these new pay raises with the idea that executives and companies should lower their profit margins in order to compensate.



It is always and inevitably. "Oh well they will just raise prices now for everyone! Good job *insert*!"



Executives and upper level staff should take pay cuts before the customers bear the brunt of pay raises for the bottom level employees. It is absolutely fucking bullshit that prices get raised for the average customer when these kinds of changes happen. Meanwhile, the executives continue to make money to afford their second yacht and their third fucking home.



The problem here is not the bottom level employees making an amount per hour that actually sustains themselves. The problem is the executives and the other higher ups on the ladder making far more than they fucking should relative to what they do in spite of rises in costs elsewhere.

 

[Kenpachii]

I am all for minimum livable wage. If you need to work more then 40 hours a week to be able to live a normal life something is terrible wrong.

 

[Nobody_Important]

I am all for minimum livable wage. If you need to work more then 40 hours a week to be able to live a normal life something is terrible wrong.

Absofuckinlutely.

 

[Monserrat]

I'm not exactly old, but I have lived long enough to see the tears of blood cried by those who have no skin in the game when minimum wage is raised. Every single time it happens you get people who cry, bitch, and moan that these bottom level employees are finally making something that is worth a damn. Yet I never see people pop in to these discussions and threads regarding these new pay raises with the idea that executives and companies should lower their profit margins in order to compensate.



It is always and inevitably. "Oh well they will just raise prices now for everyone! Good job *insert*!"



Executives and upper level staff should take pay cuts before the customers bear the brunt of pay raises for the bottom level employees. It is absolutely fucking bullshit that prices get raised for the average customer when these kinds of changes happen. Meanwhile, the executives continue to make money to afford their second yacht and their third fucking home.



The problem here is not the bottom level employees making an amount per hour that actually sustains themselves. The problem is the executives and the other higher ups on the ladder making far more than they fucking should relative to what they do in spite of rises in costs elsewhere.

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[Nobody_Important]

Misread.

 

[The Pleasure]

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Nobody wants to work anymore....

 

[Bkdk]

Have fun Californians, enjoy.

 

[dave_d]

I don't believe that is true. They pay a smaller marginal rate because they get paid in dividends but the vast majority of taxes is paid for by the rich already.

It's always unrealized gains isn't it? If you count the money they haven't made yet then they pay lower taxes.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I don't believe that is true. They pay a smaller marginal rate because they get paid in dividends but the vast majority of taxes is paid for by the rich already.

Yup.

Rich people (anyone who gets paid well and dont even have to be classified as millionaires) pay way more than their fair share. Any country that has progressive tax rates or even a one size fits all flat tax (I dont know if that exists) already means someone who makes more money pays more $$$. Thats already more than their fair share even if the % rate doesn't go up. But on progressive taxes it does. So the rate and $$$ go up as a double whammy.

The most fair system is actually people paying $$$ to government per services they use. If someone uses tons of schooling, healthcare, cops, roads etc... you pay more regardless of income. If someone is self sufficient and never really uses government services or assistance they should really pay low taxes.

Think of it like buying stuff at a store. It makes no difference if someone is rich or poor. If someone wants to buy a car, food, or new pair of jeans everyone pays the same price. Same goes for public utilities too. The government doesn't charge rich people more money per liter of water used. People get charged common rates.

But government needs money to run the country and all the deadbeats who need services, so all the people and companies who make decent money get grilled. You dont even need to be a mega earner. Even the avg middle income earner will get taxed a good amount. And all that funnels to services and comping poor people who need money and services. Thats why the lowest xxx% of earners will contribute the least tax (disproportionately low), while the big earners pay a disproportionately high amount of tax. And people in the middle will be somewhere in the middle.

So for all the whiners out there, if you want to blame someone for not having enough money really you should be blaming your fellow citizens who pay more tax to the gov pot and buy more stuff at companies funding the corporate pot they arent spending enough or paying enough taxes so more money can be doled out in wages and gov assistance back to poor earners.

But they cant really do that because people will tell them to fuck off. But it's easy to target companies or the gov.

 

[Sushi_Combo]

The most fair system is actually people paying $$$ to government per services they use. If someone uses tons of schooling, healthcare, cops, roads etc... you pay more regardless of income. If someone is self sufficient and never really uses government services or assistance they should really pay low taxes.

So my kid who has health problems beyond his control would have to pay more than the normies because he has to do more doctor follow-ups? Doesn't sound fair.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So my kid who has health problems beyond his control would have to pay more than the normies because he has to do more doctor follow-ups? Doesn't sound fair.

Technically it is the fairest because why should anyone's tax dollars be saddled by your family costs? If my roof caves in during a storm (not my fault either) is society going to pay for a new roof? Nope.

But not that I would support it. I support universal healthcare as a foundation because most people's illness and accidents are based on luck and not stupid stuff like base jumping.

 

[BacklashWave534]

I get its not a "hard" job, but half of you wouldn't want to do these jobs. Nobody should have to work 2 full time jobs to support a family. This should not impact any of the massive food franchises in anyway other than if they want to stay greedy

Bad take. These jobs WERE NOT designed to raise a family. They were designed for high school and college kids to get some extra cash while they studied. A $20 an hour wage means what, $15 for the cheapest meal? $75 to feed a family. It's unsustainable, especially for the quality of food. Not to mention it gives the middle finger to all of the skilled workers who busted our asses to train, study, and spend countless hours preparing for our profession. What message does it send when teachers, plumbers, electricians, IT workers, etc. are making the same money as a burger flipper? Why work hard for anything when the socialist/communists will just distribute the wealth. California is the nations toilet and it needs a good flush.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Bad take. These jobs WERE NOT designed to raise a family. They were designed for high school and college kids to get some extra cash while they studied. A $20 an hour wage means what, $15 for the cheapest meal? $75 to feed a family. It's unsustainable, especially for the quality of food. Not to mention it gives the middle finger to all of the skilled workers who busted our asses to train, study, and spend countless hours preparing for our profession. What message does it send when teachers, plumbers, electricians, IT workers, etc. are making the same money as a burger flipper? Why work hard for anything when the socialist/communists will just distribute the wealth. California is the nations toilet and it needs a good flush.

Yup.

I find it amazing too because out of all US states you'd think California would be among the most kick ass and utopian states out there. Tons of people, tons of high paying companies, great weather, tons of tourism dollars, blessed with west coast ports etc.... How many pocket aces do you need to run a state well? If anything, you'd think the gov would be expert enough to guide the masses to prosperity. Yet the state (I googled it) has the worst budget deficit in the country.

As for the dumbing down of professions. Just imagine what it's be like if fast food places in California had mandatory $30/hr wages. I'd bet you'd get half the people in the state applying to be a Big Mac builder.

 

[thismeinteil]

Ah, the good old "government makes shitty policies and spends way too much, which causes the cost of living to go up, so to shut up the plebs we just force businesses to pay them more" play. Always works on the dumb.

Of course, eventually they'll wonder why their living situation hasn't improved since the prices of everything is going up to go up even more because everyone will eventually have to start paying their employees more money. And who really gets hurt? The lower to mid levels of what just a few years ago was the middle class. They aren't getting a $4 raise, but they sure as hell are going to have to deal with the elevated prices.

And, hey, if you lose your job because your mom and pop store went out of business, or you lost your job to automation, the government has some "free money" for you. Ask a corrupt government for the solution to any problem, especially ones they created in the first place, and their solution will always involve dependence on them.

 

[Jsisto]

The price of fast food is getting so ridiculous that getting a full meal is not much different than getting takeout from a decent local restaurant, which typically offer far higher quality of food. I don't see how that's sustainable for an industry built around offering a quick, cheap meal.

 

[Raven117]

So, it didn't pay enough anyways? Better to relax and be poor than work your ass off and be poor.

There is a lot more to it than that.

I don't even know what you are really saying. In an effort to "help" these lower wage people, they are going to end up hurting them further. That's all there is to it.

 

[jshackles]

Executives and upper level staff should take pay cuts before the customers bear the brunt of pay raises for the bottom level employees. It is absolutely fucking bullshit that prices get raised for the average customer when these kinds of changes happen. Meanwhile, the executives continue to make money to afford their second yacht and their third fucking home.

We need to just go ahead and institute pay caps for corporations, like some other countries have. The CEO should be taxed at 100% for every dollar they're compensated that's more than say... 1000% of their company's lowest paid employee. If the CEO (or other high paid executive) wants to make more money, they need to first raise the wage of everyone working for them.

Unfortunately, this would be an administrative nightmare to enforce. CEO compensation packages include intangible (and thus likely un-taxable) things like company stock, and other perks like travel packages and company vehicles or other services. There's also the "I have a company of one person that owns Walmart". We would kind of have to overhaul the whole system, but I say it's time.

 

[DeafTourette]

What's weird to me, is that of all minimum wage jobs, I thought fast food was never intended be a "hurr-durr mah livin' wage" thing?

It was literally for kids, who don't need money to pay for any necessities, and who live at home with their parents, to get a tiny bit of Real World experience with an infinitesimal amount of accountability and responsibility, while also making a couple of bucks to spend on videogame * s. Then they graduate junior high school or w/e and go get a Real Job.

On the plus side - since this will inevitably raise prices across the board - this could be the 5-Dimensional Chess move required to encourage people to stop buying shit fast food that's making them fat and sick.

* And yes ofc, for McDonald's Corporation to save a bunch of money but that's beside the point - it was a cheap wage because it was not-very-difficult, limited time work with no real need to retain "trained" employees.

The minimum wage was started during The New Deal in the 1940s ... It was NEVER "for kids"...

FDR:

In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.

Throughout industry, the change from starvation wages and starvation employment to living wages and sustained employment can, in large part, be made by an industrial covenant to which all employers shall subscribe. It is greatly to their interest to do this because decent living, widely spread among our 125, 000,000 people, eventually means the opening up to industry of the richest market which the world has known. It is the only way to utilize the so-called excess capacity of our industrial plants. This is the principle that makes this one of the most important laws that ever has come from Congress because, before the passage of this Act, no such industrial covenant was possible.

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And to add to this, more adults, even with degrees, are working in these fast food joints to provide for their families. Adults in their 30s, 40s, 50s and even 60s!

The point is, minimum LIVING wage was supposed to allow an adult to provide for themselves and their families.

It doesn't matter WHICH job. Or at least it didn't matter.

 

[The Pleasure]

Bad take. These jobs WERE NOT designed to raise a family. They were designed for high school and college kids to get some extra cash while they studied. A $20 an hour wage means what, $15 for the cheapest meal? $75 to feed a family. It's unsustainable, especially for the quality of food. Not to mention it gives the middle finger to all of the skilled workers who busted our asses to train, study, and spend countless hours preparing for our profession. What message does it send when teachers, plumbers, electricians, IT workers, etc. are making the same money as a burger flipper? Why work hard for anything when the socialist/communists will just distribute the wealth. California is the nations toilet and it needs a good flush.

It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

 

[Durien]

My son works at walmart stocking. He makes $18 to $20 (not full time as he is still in school). When he told me how much he got hired for my mind boggled. I know tech positions that hire at slightly above that for entry level. In a "get off my lawn moment" my first job was McDonald's in high school. $4.25 /hour. All workers were high schoolers with the exception of the mamagers who were all young adults early to mid 20s. No one was planning to raise a family. It was a kid's job until you graduated high school and went off to military or college.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Bad take. These jobs WERE NOT designed to raise a family. They were designed for high school and college kids to get some extra cash while they studied.

Parroting this dumbass argument doesn't make it true.

 

[ProtoByte]

Sorry, but definitely not.

Also: Lols all around at the idea that it's Marxism to suggest that a business needs to pay it's staff enough money to live, even if it means the C-suite has to take a paycut.

Yes, it is Marxism. What else would you call it? The opposing philosophy states that businesses only "need" to pay as much as the workers are willing to work for. And the C-suite taking a pay cut has nothing to do with it, because they are also employees who only "have to be" paid the minimum they are willing to work for, and most of the time, it's not enough (in actual cash) to cover the fanciful pay rises people talk about. It's silly whenever thus comes up in discussion about the game industry, and it's doubly silly when we're talking about fast food franchises.

The logical conclusion to your philosophy manifests in shit like "people are entitled to a house or shelter, even if it means the landlord class has to take a paycut"; which isn't me coming up with crazy ideas to be afraid of, western governments are actually conceiving policy around that idea as we speak.

 

[jason10mm]

Parroting this dumbass argument doesn't make it true.

You ever work fast food? I have. In the 90s the line wirkers were 80% high school or college kids, 15% druggies who just drifted from job to job, and 5% adults who were just incapable of doing anything more complicated with their lives. Maybe during the school day you had some older adults trying to stretch their retirement put a bit.

It is NOT a career for more than the small # that go management track, to think or say otherwise just displays your total ignorance of the industry.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You ever work fast food? I have. In the 90s the line wirkers were 80% high school or college kids, 15% druggies who just drifted from job to job, and 5% adults who were just incapable of doing anything more complicated with their lives. Maybe during the school day you had some older adults trying to stretch their retirement put a bit.

It is NOT a career for more than the small # that go management track, to think or say otherwise just displays your total ignorance of the industry.

Guess what? This isn't the 90s. Who do you think is working at McDonalds when the kids are in college?

Fast food was the most accessible job for kids back then. That does not mean they were designed for them. That's completely retarded

 

[jason10mm]

Guess what? This isn't the 90s. Who do you think is working at McDonalds when the kids are in college?

Fast food was the most accessible job for kids back then. That does not mean they were designed for them. That's completely retarded

????? I have a job that children can easily do. Why would I hire anyone other than children for this entry workforce job? A few adults seeded in there to keep an eye on the cash register or to work during the school day is about it.

Have you EVER worked fast food?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

????? I have a job that children can easily do. Why would I hire anyone other than children for this entry workforce job? A few adults seeded in there to keep an eye on the cash register or to work during the school day is about it.

Have you EVER worked fast food?

Because you want full time adults, not kids who can only come and go maybe 4 hours a week.

No, I've never worked fast food. I don't need to work at fast food to know that a business that operates 11 hours a day 7 days a week isn't run by fucking students.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I don't believe that is true. They pay a smaller marginal rate because they get paid in dividends but the vast majority of taxes is paid for by the rich already.

The Top 1% actually pay around 50% of the taxes. While it's true that proportionately to their wealth, they may not pay that much in taxes, in terms of total taxes paid, they are by far the lion's share

 

[P:axMagellanic]

Good on 'em. I'm seeing more elderly in these types of jobs, so the kid thing is bollocks and archaic. It's not the 90's anymore.

And if the complaining fat fuck who eats the slop daily has to pay more to cover for it, or even better guzzles less of it, so be it. Double win.

 

[BacklashWave534]

Parroting this dumbass argument doesn't make it true.

Cool story bro. So because you decided to flip burgers for a living everyone else who worked their asses off will pay ridiculous prices. Why get a college degree, learn a trade or heck, even take up a real culinary profession when you can empty a bag of fries in the fryer and pour a diet coke for $20 an hour. Why would anyone pay $15 for a Big Mac when they can make high quailty burgers at home for a quarter of the price? The best part is that this entire argument is pointless. The $20 an hour fast food workers have sealed the deal on a guarentee that their jobs are going away. Automation and AI will replace these jobs in the next 5 years if not sooner. Fast food is a great starter job but we should be pushing people to do great things. Not rewarding them for a lack of ambition.

 

[BacklashWave534]

It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.
Franklin D. Roosevelt

So when AI and automation replaces the entire industry because of the ridiculous pay demands what will be your argument then? Fast food is a fine starter job but we need to be elevating people and pushing them to do great things. The trades are in desperate need of workers. If you want to make more become an electrician, plumber, or HVAC tech. Little invenstment is required and they are all great careers that people can live comfortably on. Burger flipper is not a career, it's a job.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Cool story bro. So because you decided to flip burgers for a living everyone else who worked their asses off will pay ridiculous prices. Why get a college degree, learn a trade or heck, even take up a real culinary profession when you can empty a bag of fries in the fryer and pour a diet coke for $20 an hour. Why would anyone pay $15 for a Big Mac when they can make high quailty burgers at home for a quarter of the price? The best part is that this entire argument is pointless. The $20 an hour fast food workers have sealed the deal on a guarentee that their jobs are going away. Automation and AI will replace these jobs in the next 5 years if not sooner. Fast food is a great starter job but we should be pushing people to do great things. Not rewarding them for a lack of ambition.

I don't even need to work you clown . I'm simply explaining how the world works since your head is too far up your own ass.

They should cry to their boss and get a payrise. If they refuse go apply to TacoBell. Simple. Most of these jobs are getting replaced by automation regardless of where minimum wages go.

Europe has been paying these workers well above your minimum wage for years and have been doing dandy. But I get it, you're accustomed to dogshit labour laws in america so that's the only thing you think works

 

[StreetsofBeige]

My son works at walmart stocking. He makes $18 to $20 (not full time as he is still in school). When he told me how much he got hired for my mind boggled. I know tech positions that hire at slightly above that for entry level. In a "get off my lawn moment" my first job was McDonald's in high school. $4.25 /hour. All workers were high schoolers with the exception of the mamagers who were all young adults early to mid 20s. No one was planning to raise a family. It was a kid's job until you graduated high school and went off to military or college.

It's entry level zero skill jobs. I've done similar jobs for minimum wage in the 90s where min wage in Ontario was around $6 cdn. Mindless work. I actually did a better job on the hot sweaty assembly line than the vets making more product as an 18 year old. So it goes to show how low skilled and low effort the jobs are when a kid in first year university student working a summer job can do better than vets being their for years. Makes no sense as other industries aren't like that. So no wonder fast food managers don't want to pay top dollar. Random kids can do a better job at min wage learning the job in a week.

No job like this in life anywhere on earth has even been pigeon holed by anyone from guidance counselors and teachers to parents and business leaders as a career to raise a family. Not even a career to do for 40 years as an individual never mind trying to raise a family of 4.

But of course like anyone in life rich or poor, people want as much grab bag money they can get whether it's from a job, winning in the stock market or even winning $100 in a Super Bowl pool.

Problem is the bottom feeders don't have the skills and there's a zillion people all going for these rock bottom jobs that why they pay bad. Most jobs in the world don't pay minimum wage so it shows money is out there. If companies were all cheapskates every job on earth would trend to minimum wage but that's totally untrue. Only a small portion of jobs pay at or close to minimum wage.

I make good money. But technically they could probably hire 3 college grads for the same comp. That's triple the brain cells. Or taken a step further hire probably 5 min wage high school skids who took business admin class. That's 5 times the brain power. But they don't. If you got skills and experience, one person can have a job that pays well.

Up your skills and you'll get paid.

 

[The Pleasure]

So when AI and automation replaces the entire industry because of the ridiculous pay demands what will be your argument then? Fast food is a fine starter job but we need to be elevating people and pushing them to do great things. The trades are in desperate need of workers. If you want to make more become an electrician, plumber, or HVAC tech. Little invenstment is required and they are all great careers that people can live comfortably on. Burger flipper is not a career, it's a job.

The trades aren't a panacea either. Ever see a guy's knees and back blown out in their forties? How about truckers? There's a push for ai in programming and art along with ai in education. Is everyone going to do electrical, hvac or plumbing? Everything will be automated at some point.

Remember, capitalism needs to be saved from itself. Fdr knew that.

 

[ricardo_sousa11]

Raising min wage only raises cost of living.

Raising the median income is what matters.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Raising min wage only raises cost of living.

Raising the median income is what matters.

The price of everything is rising regardless of whether you raise minimum wage. The payrise for these workers eases that burden.

 

[LimanimaPT]

$20 per hour for fast food workers? Hahaha. I sure live in a poor country...

 

[jason10mm]

The trades aren't a panacea either. Ever see a guy's knees and back blown out in their forties? How about truckers? There's a push for ai in programming and art along with ai in education. Is everyone going to do electrical, hvac or plumbing? Everything will be automated at some point.

Remember, capitalism needs to be saved from itself. Fdr knew that.

Trades often have unions and pensions for this very reason.

FDR just created a system by which politicians can 'bribe' a low skilled serf class for votes, which will ultimately lead to total collapse. Any 'floor' on zero skill wages either robs from skilled workers we actually DO need or just raises wages for everyone, making everything end up costing more, and drives inflation.

Are there flaws in a pure capitalist economy (if there is any such thing)? Sure. But there are definite flaws in a pure socialist system as well and I for sure know which system I'd rather live in. Radical and dramatic boosts to zero skill wages has bad effects for all of us. I'd rather they focus on cheaper education or protectionist policies to keep mid skill jobs in the US and accessible.

But really, there is a big chunk of folks that are just incapable of doing anything requiring any real effort, dedication, or focus. Fast food jobs, pumping gas, minding a parking garage gate, running a toll station, stuff like that is about all they are capable of. Paying them a "living wage" isn't the solution, they should just work longer because they certainly are not working harder/smarter.

 

[Bojji]

But really, there is a big chunk of folks that are just incapable of doing anything requiring any real effort, dedication, or focus. Fast food jobs, pumping gas, minding a parking garage gate, running a toll station, stuff like that is about all they are capable of. Paying them a "living wage" isn't the solution, they should just work longer because they certainly are not working harder/smarter.

Maybe make them slaves? They would at least have food and shelter... so better than they have now with wages so low that they can't sustain their lives.

Holy shit some of you act like some fucking noble class.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

But really, there is a big chunk of folks that are just incapable of doing anything requiring any real effort, dedication, or focus. Fast food jobs, pumping gas, minding a parking garage gate, running a toll station, stuff like that is about all they are capable of. Paying them a "living wage" isn't the solution, they should just work longer because they certainly are not working harder/smarter.

Oh my fucking god lmao. The solution is america needs to stop treating unions like they're a communist movement and let workers have some semblence of a fucking voice.

 

[Davey Cakes]

The conservative ideal is that these jobs are meant for young people that only work part time, but I don't think that reflects the reality. Jobs are hyper competitive these days and there are no guarantees even for those with credentials. Everyone needs a baseline to start from while they pursue a career.

With the cost of living being as high as it is (in Cali in particular), I think it's fair that a person should be able to support themselves on a fast food job while they work towards something else. Perhaps they shouldn't be able to live extravagantly, but it's extreme to say that they should have to live out of their car.

 

[The Pleasure]

Trades often have unions and pensions for this very reason.

FDR just created a system by which politicians can 'bribe' a low skilled serf class for votes, which will ultimately lead to total collapse. Any 'floor' on zero skill wages either robs from skilled workers we actually DO need or just raises wages for everyone, making everything end up costing more, and drives inflation.

Are there flaws in a pure capitalist economy (if there is any such thing)? Sure. But there are definite flaws in a pure socialist system as well and I for sure know which system I'd rather live in. Radical and dramatic boosts to zero skill wages has bad effects for all of us. I'd rather they focus on cheaper education or protectionist policies to keep mid skill jobs in the US and accessible.

But really, there is a big chunk of folks that are just incapable of doing anything requiring any real effort, dedication, or focus. Fast food jobs, pumping gas, minding a parking garage gate, running a toll station, stuff like that is about all they are capable of. Paying them a "living wage" isn't the solution, they should just work longer because they certainly are not working harder/smarter.

Your post sounds like this

And pure capitalism is what Russia has now. Bribes out in the open? Pure capitalism. How far do we let capitalism go before it destroys everything?

 

[jason10mm]

The conservative ideal is that these jobs are meant for young people that only work part time, but I don't think that reflects the reality. Jobs are hyper competitive these days and there are no guarantees even for those with credentials. Everyone needs a baseline to start from while they pursue a career.

With the cost of living being as high as it is (in Cali in particular), I think it's fair that a person should be able to support themselves on a fast food job while they work towards something else. Perhaps they shouldn't be able to live extravagantly, but it's extreme to say that they should have to live out of their car.

You are contradicting yourself. Young people ARE the ones "working towards something else", therefore fast food jobs are EXACTLY the sort of part-time/temporary gig someone gets to supplement their funds while they are in school. Those jobs are not meant for a primary breadwinner supporting a family. Making them pay a "living wage" just means now there are far FEWER of these jobs, the competition for them just gets worse, and now that "working towards something better" person can't get a job AT ALL because the few easy side gig jobs are now hogged by a professional low skilled class. This is an OBVIOUS inevitable outcome, why some of ya'll are so dogmatic that $20/hr to flip burgers is a good thing is beyond me.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

This is an OBVIOUS inevitable outcome, why some of ya'll are so dogmatic that $20/hr to flip burgers is a good thing is beyond me.

Because it is. But you'd need glasses that help you see further than corporate America propaganda to know that

 

[CGNoire]

That's one possibility. But i also eat at a decent amount of local restaurants. Their prices are nearly the same as the local places in California. And Texas minimum wage is less then half of the minimum wage of California. Also food isn't really cheaper in Texas. A lot of it is on par or costs more than California.

I can eat at Texas restaurants for about $16-$18 on average. Its the same in cali?

 

[thismeinteil]

Good on 'em. I'm seeing more elderly in these types of jobs, so the kid thing is bollocks and archaic. It's not the 90's anymore.

And if the complaining fat fuck who eats the slop daily has to pay more to cover for it, or even better guzzles less of it, so be it. Double win.

And you'll all have surprised Pikachu faces when stores start closing. I swear you guys can't see but a few feet in front of you.

They say this is just for the fast food, but that's not true. Other businesses are going to have to raise wages to compete for employees. This only hurts smaller and medium size businesses, which I'm sure these politicians say they work for. In truth, they don't give a shit about the little guy, as their policies always help the big corporations they pretend to be angry at so the useful idiots continue to vote for them, thinking they'll get their "fair share." But, that fair share never comes. And politicians who went in with a few 10K to their name continue to become millionaires.

The truth is larger businesses will suck up the cost or run with less employees until the dream of automation becomes a reality. We were already moving towards automation, but this just puts it on the fast track.

I'm sure your solution is just a government check for everyone. Give us just enough to keep us under the thumb of big government and big corporations.