Billbill-kun: Horizon Lego is day 1 on PC and PS5

Killjoy-NL said:
It'd be Sony's call if they do the publishing.
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That's what I've been saying lol, finally we're on the same page.

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We confirm that Sony Interactive Entertainment is the publisher of the LEGO Horizon Adventures game .
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Alphagear said:
I'm not sure what gotcha moment you see here either.

I know you're desperate as an Xbox fan to see Sony follow Xbox to make yourself feel better.

SonyToo as they say.
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You know you don't have any more valid arguments if this is the kind of reply you make, lol.

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adamsapple said:
And SIE has, at least, commissioned only the PC and PS5 version as the publisher so far.



I',m not seeing any gotchas, I'm just watching the attempts some users are making to try and distance this from Sony as much as possible. Baffling, really.
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Oh you are. Trying to differentiate this from MLB the Show and making it seem like Day 1 is now official.

Classic dream of Xbox fans.

First they dreamt of Sony games going Day 1 on PS Plus like Gamepass. Every argument under the sun was made. That failed.

Now it's Day 1 on PC cause a LEGO licensed game using the Horizon IP has been announced.

SonyToo as they say.

Microsoft and Sony are not remotely in the same situation and the outcomes on releases won't be the same either no matter how much you think it will.
 
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Mr Moose said:
Sony published Minecraft. Minecraft is a first party Sony game, confirmed.
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Did they? PSN lists Mojang as the publisher, they didn't even bother correcting it to Microsoft.


Topher said:
And Lego had every right to say "nope, Xbox and Switch as well or forget it".
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I'm sure Ubisoft said the same when they commissioned Mario x Rabbids to Nintendo.
 
Punished Miku said:
That miraculously disappeared for the last year or two. I think it's back though.
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Its really funny considering what we discussed this week haha. A Sony published Lego game isn't a first party game anymore because they published it. Its second party and they don't own it because of lego. Jesus those mental gymnastics
 
Mr Moose said:
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They published the physical copies.
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They didn't publish the game then.

Same reason we wouldn't say that Limited Run Games is publishing Persona 3/4/5 just because they put out a run of discs for an otherwise digital only game.
 
Ass of Can Whooping said:
Day 1 pc isn't even a concession since Sony are fine being whores now
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As long as they satisfy me, they can do whatever.

But logically speaking, it makes sense they made a deal that both will greatly benefit from.
This will introduce lots of people (primarily kids) to Horizon and Lego can release a proper Lego Horizon line, more than just the Lego Tallneck set.

This would fall in line with the Playstation Beyond Borders campaign as well.
 
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adamsapple said:
I'm sure Ubisoft said the same when they commissioned Mario x Rabbids to Nintendo.
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Ubisoft published that game in the west. You think Ubisoft wouldn't put it on other platforms in a heartbeat if they could? Who do you think is keeping that from happening? Nintendo?

So yeah.....perfect example of exactly what I'm talking about.
 
Fabieter said:
Its really funny considering what we discussed this week haha. A Sony published Lego game isn't a first party game anymore because they published it. Its second party and they don't own it because of lego. Jesus those mental gymnastics
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Yeah dude. It's absurd. Guess we can finally call Stella Blade, Rise of the Ronin 2nd party, and FFVII R-2 3rd party. What a joke that's been, for years. Crumbled instantly.
 
adamsapple said:
They didn't publish the game then.

Same reason we wouldn't say that Limited Run Games is publishing Persona 3/4/5 just because they put out a run of discs for an otherwise digital only game.
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They published the discs versions, that makes them the publisher. Checkmate, digital only people.
Punished Miku said:
Yeah dude. It's absurd. Guess we can finally call Stella Blade, Rise of the Ronin 2nd party, and FFVII R-2 3rd party. What a joke that's been, for years. Crumbled instantly.
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I don't think Rise of the Ronin is 1st party, though I could be wrong. Final Fantasy is 3rd party.
 
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At this point, let the whole Sony thing destroy itself and become Xbox 2.0. Then I can solely focus on Nintendo and their quality games.
 
Fabieter said:
Its really funny considering what we discussed this week haha. A Sony published Lego game isn't a first party game anymore because they published it. Its second party and they don't own it because of lego. Jesus those mental gymnastics
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Just as much mental gymnastics in ignoring the multiple IPs that are involved in Lego games all of the sudden simply because this one is based on a Sony franchise. But if you can explain how Sony owns Lego all of the sudden, please do.
 
James Sawyer Ford said:
It's not that hard. This is an idiosyncratic case of a third party IP and third party developer using a Sony game's likeness

It's not a change at all from what Hermen said.
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It is IMO. Herman & Hideki (mainly Herman) said something to the effect of "our GAAS titles will be Day and Date on PC, but...", and then went on to mention the tentpole titles. Which we know that to mean, non-GAAS games.

Ghosts of Tsushima might have a MP mode, but it's not suddenly a GAAS because of it. That's still a tentpole non-GAAS title with an extra MP online mode tacked on top. And that's what it seems like this LEGO Horizon game is going to be. Meaning, it's not a GAAS. It's not gonna be like a Destiny 2, or Helldivers 2, or Concord.

And even if it's being made by a 3P, it's still using a tentpole SIE IP. SIE/Sony have the leverage in demanding platforms here, and they've chosen to make it a Day 1 PC release even if it's blatantly not a GAAS and is blatantly using their own IP.

Maybe to say it's a change isn't even accurate; better to say it's the truth Herman didn't want to say on May 30th.

AmuroChan said:
I don't see how that's semantics at all. If Sony licenses out the Ghostbusters IP out to a 3rd party publisher to make a game (which they've done on multiple occasions), it has nothing to do with PS Studios. This is a LEGO game using a Sony IP, no different then Fortnite licensing Kratos to put in the game. Astro Bot is a PS Studios published and internally developed game. It's apples and oranges.
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Bro....

Ghostbusters is a Sony Pictures IP, not Sony Interactive Entertainment. That's a film franchise...Sony can do whatever they want with those, because it's the Sony Pictures division handling those deals. So if they decide to license out Ghostbusters to a 3P who them makes a multiplat release, as you said it's got nothing to do with SIE or PS Studios.

While you're trying to explain this a different way (and I'm not even necessarily saying what you speak is inaccurate; technically yes this isn't an internally-developed 1P non-GAAS title), the optics are not going to look anywhere near as clean. The fact you have to get this specific to basically say:

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...shows how badly the optics in all of this is for SIE, and it's probably only going to get worst.

Like I said, get ready for all the usual folks asking "If LEGO Horizon is on PC Day 1, why isn't Astro Bot?" Do you think your explanation is going to be good enough an answer?
 
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tommib said:
At this point, let the whole Sony thing destroy itself and become Xbox 2.0. Then I can solely focus on Nintendo and their quality games.
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Xbox ports all their games
Nintendo ports all their games
PS ports all their games
PC ports are all shit, they all require an account. Steam is ruined by MS

Everyone is miserable and I will be happy again
 
thicc_girls_are_teh_best said:
...shows how badly the optics in all of this is for SIE, and it's probably only going to get worst.

Like I said, get ready for all the usual folks asking "If LEGO Horizon is on PC Day 1, why isn't Astro Bot?" Do you think your explanation is going to be good enough an answer?
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I disagree with that because optically this will be irrelevant for most people. It's a LEGO game. My kids love the LEGO games. They don't give a rat's ass about the things we're arguing about in this thread.
 
Topher said:
Just as much mental gymnastics in ignoring the multiple IPs that are involved in Lego games all of the sudden simply because this one is based on a Sony franchise. But if you can explain how Sony owns Lego all of the sudden, please do.
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Why do they need to 'own' it? Spider-Man we can make concessions that Sony has movie leverage, but they're making an exclusive Wolverine game, which is an IP that has had multiplatform games before.

You're making it sound like Sony wouldn't have any leverage and are simply beholden to Lego. They're publishing the game, it's based on their IP. You have said previously yourself elsewhere on GAF that the publisher decides the platforms the game goes on. Lego is probably happy with the fat stacks Sony gave them for licensing and left it at that, assigning a developer and publishing the game seems like it's purely a Sony thing.

Yes, there's definitely a lot of mental gymnastics going on here to try and distance this from a Sony decision, which really is baffling.
 
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Amongst all this bickering I will continue to assert my position that first party is a PlayStation developer's game(that they are the lead, major developer of) and/or wholly SIE owned IP.
In short, this is a fourth party game.
 
adamsapple said:
Why do they need to 'own' it? Spider-Man we can make concessions that Sony has movie leverage, but they're making an exclusive Wolverine game, which is an IP that has had multiplatform games before.

You're making it sound like Sony wouldn't have any leverage and are simply beholden to Lego. They're publishing the game, it's based on their IP. You have said previously yourself elsewhere on GAF that the publisher decides the platforms the game goes on. Lego is probably happy with the fat stacks Sony gave them for licensing and left it at that, assigning a developer and publishing the game seems like it's purely a Sony thing.

Yes, there's definitely a lot of mental gymnastics going on here to try and distance this from a Sony decision, which really is baffling.
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I hold an immense amount of resentment towards you. I hope you step on a sharp piece of lego. Twice. In the same place
 
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adamsapple said:
Why do they need to 'own' it? Spider-Man we can make concessions that Sony has movie leverage, but they're making an exclusive Wolverine game, which is an IP that has had multiplatform games before.

You're making it sound like Sony wouldn't have any leverage and are simply beholden to Lego. They're publishing the game, it's based on their IP. You have said previously yourself elsewhere on GAF that the publisher decides the platforms the game goes on. Lego is probably happy with the fat stacks Sony gave them for licensing and left it at that, assigning a developer and publishing the game seems like it's purely a Sony thing.

Yes, there's definitely a lot of mental gymnastics going on here to try and distance this from a Sony decision, which really is baffling.
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There's a Lego Tallneck set.

This game is very likely a mutual idea.
 
Why are people trying to spin this? It's being made by a 3rd party dev using a 1st party license. While I do think Herman Hulst and his minions will eventually cannibalize ps5 sales to focus on PC. This ain't it.
 
adamsapple said:
Why do they need to 'own' it? Spider-Man we can make concessions that Sony has movie leverage, but they're making an exclusive Wolverine game, which is an IP that has had multiplatform games before.

You're making it sound like Sony wouldn't have any leverage and are simply beholden to Lego. They're publishing the game, it's based on their IP. You have said previously yourself elsewhere on GAF that the publisher decides the platforms the game goes on. Lego is probably happy with the fat stacks Sony gave them for licensing and left it at that, assigning a developer and publishing the game seems like it's purely a Sony thing.

Yes, there's definitely a lot of mental gymnastics going on here to try and distance this from a Sony decision, which really is baffling.
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As you know, every contract is different, you are dealing with different people over different situations, just because Sony and Marvel made an agreement to make Spider Man and Wolverine (and presumably X Men) exclusive to PS4/PS5/PS6 for X amount of time does not mean they'll get the exact same deal with Lego (especially as, for all we know, it's being developed by a third party). You can't compare the two.
 
adamsapple said:
Why do they need to 'own' it? Spider-Man we can make concessions that Sony has movie leverage, but they're making an exclusive Wolverine game, which is an IP that has had multiplatform games before.

You're making it sound like Sony wouldn't have any leverage and are simply beholden to Lego. They're publishing the game, it's based on their IP. You have said previously yourself elsewhere on GAF that the publisher decides the platforms the game goes on.

Yes, there's definitely a lot of mental gymnastics going on here to try and distance this from a Sony decision, which really is baffling.
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You missed the point. Read what I replied to. He referenced the suggestion that Sony "don't own it because of Lego" as mental gymnastics. So you explain to me how Sony "owns it" when its got Lego's name on it? Sony own's the Horizon part obviously, but they do not own the game in its entirety. Just like Sony doesn't own Spider-man or Wolverine.

And no, I didn't say anything at all about Sony being beholden to Lego. If you went and dug up a post where I said publishers decide where a game goes then seems clear that I was wrong. Not the first time.

There's definitely a lot of mental gymnastics in trying to frame this game as if it is something other than a Lego spinoff as well.
 
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midnightAI said:
As you know, every contract is different, you are dealing with different people over different situations, just because Sony and Marvel made an agreement to make Spider Man and Wolverine (and presumably X Men) exclusive to PS4/PS5/PS6 for X amount of time does not mean they'll get the exact same deal with Lego (especially as, for all we know, it's being developed by a third party). You can't compare the two.
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Not competing the two on hypothetical dollar amount. Only comparing the two based on the pure fact that SIE is publishing the game exclusively on their console and PC. And the publisher decides what platforms the game goes on.

VitoNotVito said:
Still, not their game.
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Ok. You can tell them that over social media when they start to market it as their game.
 
Alphagear said:
Oh you are. Trying to differentiate this from MLB the Show and making it seem like Day 1 is now official.

Classic dream of Xbox fans.

First they dreamt of Sony games going Day 1 on PS Plus like Gamepass. Every argument under the sun was made. That failed.

Now it's Day 1 on PC cause a LEGO licensed game using the Horizon IP has been announced.

SonyToo as they say.

Microsoft and Sony are not remotely in the same situation and the outcomes on releases won't be the same either no matter how much you think it will.
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HeisenbergFX4 said:
Sony owns Horizon no?

Trying to think here and hopefully someone points me in the right direction but what other single player IPs owned by Sony has launched day and date PS and PC?
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It will be either this or the Until Dawn remake, whichever launches first.
 
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