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[Muddy]

They own the Horizon IP, they're publishing it like they publish 1P games.

With MLB at least you have the excuse that it's MLB who publishes the Xbox version.

No, I'm not daft. I'm just amused at all the mental gymnastics to try and distance this from Sony.

This is a LEGO game not a Horizon game.

LEGO is the licensor. Sony is the licensee.

LEGO calls the shots.

For me I am more puzzled they chose Horizon of all franchises to make a LEGO game.

Got Hermen written all over it. He really thinks Horizon is some revolutionary franchise.

 

[yurinka]

Isn't Helldivers 2 a PlayStation Studios game?

Yes, it's a MP GaaS PS Studios game, like this Lego Horizon (in case it exists) game.

Hermen said MP GaaS would release day one, while SP non-GaaS would stay exclusive to PS at least for a handful years after their original release.

PS published but not PS Studios developed game, similar to Until Dawn.

Like in basically all recent AAA games, the lead development studio (in this case Arrowhead) only represents around 10% of the people credited in the game credits, being the rest Sony people or external outsourcing teams hired by Sony.

There are many Sony teams who co-developed, produced, tested, marketed, etc. both games. PS Studios don't simply publish them.

Helldivers 2 is a PS Studios games, not only because PS Studios owns its IP, published it and funded it: many internal SIE/PS Studios teams worked on it codeveloping it in a support team role.

 

[BennyBlanco]

This thread will have more posts in it than the OT for Lego Horizon

 

[DenchDeckard]

Jim Ryan said a while back that they would evaluate each and every individual game and make the move that makes the most sense. You won't see every single PS game ported to PC, just like there will be some nuance in the way certain games are delivered.

In the case of Lego Horizon, it isn't a game that's a tentpole, it's just a spin-off and there might also be contractual obligations with Lego to release it on PC. It makes sense to launch this as a multiplatform release. Likewise, I would expect a game like Killzone to also be multiplat out of the gate even if it's not strictly GAAS because shooters tend to live and die by their multiplayer and they would want to implement a strong player base from the start.

This changes nothing. Their next big AAA game will not be on PC Day 1. It will take at least a year, but some gaffers are allergic to nuance and common sense and would rather platform war.

This is logical and exactly what Phil Spencer said about xbox games coming to playstation. Let's see how it turns out.

 

[AmuroChan]

This is a LEGO game not a Horizon game.

LEGO is the licensor. Sony is the licensee.

LEGO calls the shots.

For me I am more puzzled they chose Horizon of all franchises to make a LEGO game.

Got Hermen written all over it. He really thinks Horizon is some revolutionary franchise.

They're doing it because of the earning potential of the LEGO sets featuring all the robot dinosaurs from Horizon. At the end of the day, LEGO's primary business is selling you the LEGO sets.

 

[adamsapple]

First party can be applied to either studio or game. Probably be good to be specific here.....ya think?

Sure. I agree. But like I said, multiple users have quoted me on GAF about how games like Rise of Ronin are Sony first party because Sony are the publishers.

I'm just going by that logic. If the publisher is first party, that technically makes it a first party game. Like how Asobo Studio is developing Flight Sim, but it's an MS IP and they publish it, so it's an MS/Xbox first party game.

I hope your Microsoft account gets banned too. Just you specifically.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Sure. I agree. But like I said, multiple users have quoted me on GAF about how games like Rise of Ronin are Sony first party because Sony are the publishers.

I'm just going by that logic. If the publisher is first party, that technically makes it a first party game. Like how Asobo Studio is developing Flight Sim, but it's an MS IP and they publish it, so it's an MS/Xbox first party game.

Those are 2nd party games

 

[Fabieter]

I know you're trolling or have a low IQ, but this is a Lego game, not a horizon game. In the sense that Lego is the overarching brand and they make things related to a lot of IP's, like Fortnite.

It's like when Kratos' Fortnite skin was available on Switch, that must mean they're now day and date on switch (PS games)

Where is the switch and xbox Version if that's the case. Hulst is already fucking over nishino.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

This is a LEGO game not a Horizon game.

LEGO is the licensor. Sony is the licensee.

LEGO calls the shots.

For me I am more puzzled they chose Horizon of all franchises to make a LEGO game.

Got Hermen written all over it. He really thinks Horizon is some revolutionary franchise.

Or maybe it's just that

- kids like Lego

- kids like dinos

- kids like robots

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

I know you're trolling or have a low IQ, but this is a Lego game, not a horizon game. In the sense that Lego is the overarching brand and they make things related to a lot of IP's, like Fortnite.

It's like when Kratos' Fortnite skin was available on Switch, that must mean they're now day and date on switch (PS games)

That was a skin. This is a whole-ass game.

IMO there's a difference.

So this is a live service game?

"Bilbill-kun also adds in his report that the game will be available on day one on both PlayStation 5 and PC, which is in line with PlayStation's latest comments on releasing live-service games together on both platforms. "

LEGO Horizon Adventures to be Announced at Summer Game Fest

A new report has detailed that LEGO Horizon Adventures will be revealed during Summer Game Fest.

insider-gaming.com

It could be "live service" the same way Ghosts of Tsushima is. Some MP modes you can play online, but not live-service as in GAAS where the core of the game is built around a persistent online community & element.

We really don't know anything until it gets revealed. But IIRC, there were two separate spin-off Horizon projects and one was specifically GAAS. I don't think this LEGO game is that one, since that GAAS title has Guerrilla as one of the main developers.

The difference is.....
Lego most likely paid Sony to use Sony's IP, not Sony paying a developer for the rights to publish their game, that's a big difference.
Rise of Ronin and Stellar Blade were funded (either fully or partially) by Sony, that's what makes those games first party games, if it was merely publishing only they wouldn't be first party they would be third party published by Sony. Even Rebirth is paid for exclusivity. Even those games could have come to PC day and date, it depends on the agreement.

Still a bad deal on Sony's part IMHO. Again, they have the leverage in that situation; Horizon is one of their tentpole story-driven IPs, it's a modern-era IP, and they know (or maybe they don't?) the optics in having a new Horizon game, regardless of visual style, be Day 1 on PC if it's not a GAAS.

They should know this, and if they're expecting blowback then that's one thing. But they better not act surprised if a lot of core console owners ask WTF, when they see that PC (Steam) Day 1 text right there in the reveal trailer.

Either way, there is a huge difference between a third party developed game (whether first party published or not) and a first party internally developed Sony game coming day and date and that was my point, we can have this conversation again when that happens.

No, I don't think there is much a material difference at all when we're talking about the same tentpole IP in both cases, and it being a non-GAAS title. Because if Herman & Hideki meant only WRT internally-developed 1P titles, they should have said it at the business update.

But, they didn't. Either because they didn't mean anything that specific, or they were aware of how that'd be construed by fans and press as being oddly specific to worm about releasing other games co-dev'd with 3P based on big tentpole IP Day 1 on PC.

And again, materially, that's about the same as internally-developed 1P non-GAAS going Day 1, if the actual amount of said games is very small to begin with over the course of some years. Which for 2023 & 2024, will absolutely 100% be the case. Maybe 2025, too.

 

[adamsapple]

Where is the switch and xbox Version if that's the case. Hulst is already fucking over nishino.

Yeah, kinda weird that Lego isn't mandating it on those platforms, especially when all past Lego games from licensed IP's have been multi-platform.

It's almost like they don't control the publishing or platforms where the game goes.

 

[Fabieter]

There's also 2nd party and it's always been a thing.

Helldivers, Ratchet & Clank, Resistance, etc.

Who's to say Playstation isn't the 2nd party in this case, working for Lego to develop their game instead of this being a Sony 1st party?
Do we even know if it's a Sony studio developing the game?

If Sony just gave another studio Horizon licensing for the game and offered to publish it because of the licensing, it isn't a Sony 1st party release and would not contradict what Hulst stated.

Taking every loop possible, Jesus! People should just accept that at one point(probably by the end of this gen) everything is gonna be day and date ig they have the resources to do so. There might be a few cases where there is smallish exclusive windows for some games still but its basically done.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Yeah, kinda weird that Lego isn't mandating it on those platforms, especially when all past Lego games from licensed IP's have been multi-platform.

It's almost like they don't control the publishing or platforms where the game goes.

Lego owns the IP and has leverage on where it goes.

Sony and them must come to an agreement, they ran the numbers, and decided PC and PS is where it would land.

 

[AmuroChan]

Like in basically all recent AAA games, the lead development studio (in this case Arrowhead) only represents around 10% of the people credited in the game credits, being the rest Sony people or external outsourcing teams hired by Sony.

There are many Sony teams who developed, produced, marketed, etc. both games. They don't simply publish them.

Yes, modern game development is a complicated process. We all understand that, but at the highest level, we can still differentiate what's a 1st party game vs a 3rd party game. The next God of War game will be worked on by dozens of teams and external companies no doubt, but we all know that Santa Monica will be credited as the primary development studio even if their team only makes up 10% of the total amount of people listed in the credits.

 

[Muddy]

Yeah, kinda weird that Lego isn't mandating it on those platforms, especially when all past Lego games from licensed IP's have been multi-platform.

It's almost like they don't control the publishing or platforms where the game goes.

Well how many First party published Lego games have you seen?

Microsoft Lego games? Nintendo Lego games?

 

[FoxMcChief]

I've come to accept that PC will eventually just get everything. Day and date.

So, all I can hope for now is that the experience is as miserable as possible for you. I truly from the bottom of my heart, hope your frames are low, your temps are high and your PSN accounts get banned

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Taking every loop possible, Jesus!

How so?
2nd party always was a thing and this is a Lego game.
Lego doesn't have it's own game development studio, so need to outsource development.

Just like Lego Harry Potter is also a Lego game using the Harry Potter license.

 

[adamsapple]

Well how many First party published Lego games have you seen?

Microsoft Lego games? Nintendo Lego games?

To answer your question, none. This is the first case like this of a first party published game, the publishers control the platforms the game goes on. If Lego were calling the shots, it would be on a lot more platforms, we all know that.

There's also 2nd party and it's always been a thing.

Helldivers, Ratchet & Clank, Resistance, etc.

Everyone and their grandmas regarded Ratchet, Resistance as Sony games even before they acquired Insomniac. This is not a good example for your case at all.

 

[Punished Miku]

There's also 2nd party and it's always been a thing.

That miraculously disappeared for the last year or two. I think it's back though.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

That miraculously disappeared for the last year or two. I think it's back though.

I never considered 2nd party to be gone, tbh.

Always thought it was weird to call any 2nd party game a 1st party.

 

[AmuroChan]

How so?
2nd party always was a thing and this is a Lego game.
Lego doesn't have it's own game development studio, so need to outsource development.

Just like Lego Harry Potter is also a Lego game using the Harry Potter license.

I could be wrong, but isn't TT games the studio that has made every licensed LEGO game for the past decade?

 

[Topher]

Sure. I agree. But like I said, multiple users have quoted me on GAF about how games like Rise of Ronin are Sony first party because Sony are the publishers.

I'm just going by that logic. If the publisher is first party, that technically makes it a first party game. Like how Asobo Studio is developing Flight Sim, but it's an MS IP and they publish it, so it's an MS/Xbox first party game.

It is factually known that lego is a combination of IPs: the Lego IP itself, first and foremost, and then the secondary IP of whatever franchise for that specific game. None of those other games are comparable to Lego games at all so going by "that logic" makes no sense.

 

[FoxMcChief]

The amount of serious responses to super obvious tongue in cheek posts is astounding. Some of you guys are so boring.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I could be wrong, but isn't TT games the studio that has made every licensed LEGO game for the past decade?

Yes, but that's a subsidiary of Warner Brothers Games.
So did Telltale Games it seems.

Maybe one of those is developing the game and Sony does the publishing.

 

[Muddy]

To answer your question, none. This is the first case like this of a first party published game, the publishers control the platforms the game goes on. If Lego were calling the shots, it would be on a lot more platforms, we all know that.

Whats Sony published MLB the show doing on Xbox and Switch and not on PC?

Why didn't Sony release on PC?

 

[adamsapple]

Whats Sony published MLB the show doing on Xbox and Switch and not on PC?

Sony doesn't publish MLB on Xbox or Switch.

 

[feynoob]

Am I late to the party?

 

[feynoob]

Yes, but that's a subsidiary of Warner Brothers Games.

So did Telltale Games it seens.

Maybe one of those is developing the game and Sony does the publishing.

Lego horizon is a game that uses Sony 1st party game in a licensed IP.

Being it day 1 on PC, means Sony approved it.

 

[cireza]

Until Dawn remake makes it 2.

adamsapple123 is that you ?

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Lego horizon is a game that uses Sony 1st party game in a licensed IP.

Being it day 1 on PC, means Sony approved it.

Yes, but we know absolutely nothing about the deal.

And Sony licensing one of their IPs like this already is a rare occasion.

 

[Muddy]

Sony doesn't publish MLB on Xbox or Switch.

That has everything to do with Xbox.

Sony publishes on PC. Why isn't MLB on PC?

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Am I late to the party?

Plenty of retards to go around

 

[adamsapple]

That has everything to do with Xbox.

Sony publishes on PC. Why isn't MLB on PC?

MLB publishing the game on Switch has nothing to do with Xbox, let alone Xbox.

And I don't know what gotcha you're attempting here. X does Y so why doesn't Z is not an argument anyone's making.

Fact: Lego Horizon, going by the article in OP, is an SIE published game that's launching on PC day 1. That's it.

 

[AmuroChan]

Yes, but that's a subsidiary of Warner Brothers Games.
So did Telltale Games it seems.

Maybe one of those is developing the game and Sony does the publishing.

TT would make a lot of sense as they haven't released anything since the Skywalker Saga in 2022.

 

[feynoob]

Yes, but we know absolutely nothing about the deal.

And Sony licensing one of their IPs like this already is a rare occasion.

This is something that Sony should make it exclusive to PS5. It's not that hard to make a content like that locked on their system.

Licensed argument doesn't work, when they have wolverine on PS5, unless they are doing it PC day1 too.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

This is something that Sony should make it exclusive to PS5. It's not that hard to make a content like that locked on their system.

Licensed argument doesn't work, when they have wolverine on PS5, unless they are doing it PC day1 too.

What if Lego doesn't want that?

The game being made, makes sense. There already exists Horizon Lego sets.

 

[feynoob]

Plenty of retards to go around

So I am in the right party then

 

[Topher]

To answer your question, none. This is the first case like this of a first party published game, the publishers control the platforms the game goes on. If Lego were calling the shots, it would be on a lot more platforms, we all know that.

Lego is calling just as many "shots" here as Sony. Nothing being done here with the name "Lego" is without Lego's approval.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Am I late to the party?

 

[feynoob]

What if Lego doesn't want that?

The game being made, makes sense. There already exists Horizon Lego sets.

Lego is using Sony IP. They don't have a lego to stand here.

 

[adamsapple]

Lego is calling just as many "shots" here as Sony. Nothing being done here with the name "Lego" is without Lego's approval.

And SIE has, at least, commissioned only the PC and PS5 version as the publisher so far.

I'm not sure what gotcha moment you see here either.

I',m not seeing any gotchas, I'm just watching the attempts some users are making to try and distance this from Sony as much as possible. Baffling, really.

 

[Muddy]

MLB publishing the game on Switch has nothing to do with Xbox, let alone Xbox.

And I don't know what gotcha you're attempting here. X does Y so why doesn't Z is not an argument anyone's making.

Fact: Lego Horizon, going by the article in OP, is an SIE published game that's launching on PC day 1. That's it.

I'm not sure what gotcha moment you see here either.

I know you're desperate as an Xbox fan to see Sony follow Xbox to make yourself feel better.

SonyToo as they say.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

They don't have a lego to stand here.

Unlife yourself

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Lego is using Sony IP. They don't have a lego to stand here.

So, it's Lego's call.

 

[cormack12]

Makes sense. It's not really a flagship title, it's just a lego reskin

 

[midnightAI]

Lego owns the IP and has leverage on where it goes.

Sony and them must come to an agreement, they ran the numbers, and decided PC and PS is where it would land.

Basically this, it isn't any more complex than that

 

[feynoob]

So, it's Lego's call.

It's Sony call.

 

[Mr Moose]

That miraculously disappeared for the last year or two. I think it's back though.

2nd party studios, not games.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

It's Sony call.

It'd be Sony's call if they do the publishing.

 

[midnightAI]

This is something that Sony should make it exclusive to PS5. It's not that hard to make a content like that locked on their system.

Licensed argument doesn't work, when they have wolverine on PS5, unless they are doing it PC day1 too.

If Marvel insisted it was on multiple platforms then either Sony wouldn't have taken up the license or they would have had to make it for multiple platforms, but obviously Marvel said they could be exclusive as part of the agreement (and massive costs Sony has to pay to Marvel)