Phil Spencer: "You are going to see more of our games on more platforms"

FunkMiller said:
What's new is the move to first party games being released on other platforms. That's what people invested in one console brand or the other are upset about.
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Not really. I ignore PC completely but haven't Gamepass games released their Day 1 along with consoles? Seem to remember comments along the lines of why get an Xbox when I have a PC. Sony waits at least a year before bringing theirs to PC. It's been going on for a while but they're more blatant about it.

It's a culture shift in gaming but a positive one.
 
SteadyEvo said:
Not really. I ignore PC completely but haven't Gamepass games released their Day 1 along with consoles? Seem to remember comments along the lines of why get an Xbox when I have a PC. Sony waits at least a year before bringing theirs to PC. It's been going on for a while but they're more blatant about it.

It's a culture shift in gaming but a positive one.
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Not to console hardware, it isn't. Which is the thing people get upset about.
 
I expect I'll end up cancelling gamespass within the year and just buying any I want from MS on PlayStation. It's inconvenient having to switch on the seriesX, and I dislike the ecosystem and the elite/controller.
 
FunkMiller said:
Not to console hardware, it isn't. Which is the thing people get upset about.
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"I feel I owe you an apology. We have a rule: we never free a mind once it's reached a certain age. It's dangerous, the mind has trouble letting go."

- Morpheus

Gamers are stuck in the console war mentality. It's hard to let go if it's all they know.
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
PS5 is doing fine with Sony doing it on PC
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Yeah, but they aren't doing it the way Microsoft did it. Microsoft just went full hey Day 1 PC release. Sony games take at least a year (but really it's all over the place), and I would imagine the majority of sales have already been done anyway.

The Xbox brand is suffering for a multitude of reasons, but I find it hard not to believe that Play Anywhere wasn't a big part of it especially during a time where PC was on the rise.
 
hououinkyouma00 said:
Yeah, but they aren't doing it the way Microsoft did it. Microsoft just went full hey Day 1 PC release. Sony games take at least a year (but really it's all over the place), and I would imagine the majority of sales have already been done anyway.

The Xbox brand is suffering for a multitude of reasons, but I find it hard not to believe that Play Anywhere wasn't a big part of it especially during a time where PC was on the rise.
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Just my 2 cents I think the less than stellar showings from their big boy IPs like Halo Infinite, Forza Motorsports and Starfield just to name a few have hurt Xbox more than anything
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
Just my 2 cents I think the less than stellar showings from their big boy IPs like Halo Infinite, Forza Motorsports and Starfield just to name a few have hurt Xbox more than anything
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Oh I don't disagree. Games are the main reason, but if I had to point towards the two biggest reasons it's games and Play Anywhere.
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
Just my 2 cents I think the less than stellar showings from their big boy IPs like Halo Infinite, Forza Motorsports and Starfield just to name a few have hurt Xbox more than anything
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They didn't help, but I think that one thing I believe is they literally never recovered from that 2013 debacle with Xbox One.

Those of us around in the gaming circle remember that vividly. It was TV, Sports, $100 more with online check-ins and Used game restrictions.

Don Mattrick hurt them so badly and honestly, I don't know how they got what they did. Sony really burned them so bad in that show. I'll never forget the "How to Share games on PS4" joke video they did live during their presentaiton..it was brutal.
 
Moridianae said:
They didn't help, but I think that one thing I believe is they literally never recovered from that 2013 debacle with Xbox One.

Those of us around in the gaming circle remember that vividly. It was TV, Sports, $100 more with online check-ins and Used game restrictions.

Don Mattrick hurt them so badly and honestly, I don't know how they got what they did. Sony really burned them so bad in that show. I'll never forget the "How to Share games on PS4" joke video they did live during their presentaiton..it was brutal.
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That TV TV TV TV SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS was one of the worst showings ever and for sure the start of the death spiral
 
SteadyEvo said:
"I feel I owe you an apology. We have a rule: we never free a mind once it's reached a certain age. It's dangerous, the mind has trouble letting go."

- Morpheus

Gamers are stuck in the console war mentality. It's hard to let go if it's all they know.
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Things are only the way it is now because Sony is no longer challenged. There is no where for a Console gamer to go but PlayStation.

This will change when a new challenger show up.

There will be another console war; it is just that the previous one has ended with a clear winner. But it wouldn't last long. I was around when the Console Wars first began, and the reason why it happened had never gone away; the majority of consoles were redundant with each other. You really don't have a reason to buy both unless you are rich. So Console War happens and each side struggle for survival.

Do not mistaken the end of the war for the sign that war can never happen again; Sony is not invincible and someone more competent than Microsoft can always appear.
 
DrFigs said:
They want people to still buy an xbox which is why they're leaving it uncertain. same with playstation 5 putting games on pc.
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Except there's no uncertainty with Sony. Single player = duration, GaaS = day/date PC.

Phil has never been that forthcoming.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Yeah, the 24 to 48 hour clause finally expired so Sony can share the videos too now.
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So Evil Calvin is still correct! Yay, grab your popcorn, set your alarm for precisely 48 hours, and bask in the glory of Doom's timed exclusivity on his favorite box. 🌟✨
Hurry Up Waiting GIF by Robert E Blackmon
 
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londontko said:
You can look at collecting as nostalgia or whatever but ultimately it's gong away whether you like it or not, and most people are better off for it.
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Music still sees increasing vinyl and now even cassette tape sales. Physical movies are still being made and sold and physical books have been constantly outselling digital books. In all three cases consumers have a choice of physical even when Netflix, Spotify and Kindle exist.

Why then will gamers be better off when the option of buying physical is removed? How is removing choice beneficial to gamers?
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
That TV TV TV TV SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS was one of the worst showings ever and for sure the start of the death spiral
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Yes, but at the time then is the same as it is now. Everyone seems to think "Live Sports" is the answer to their problems. Look at the streaming companies all bidding for Live Sporting events or packages like the the NBA, NFL, etc.

While Mattrick was wrong, he was about a decade too early. Similar to how game streaming was probably about a decade too early.

IMO, the worst thing Xbox ever did was kill "Xbox Live". That was their golden goose. Superior online experience to everyone else, and MS stopped utilizing it And folded it into Gamepass.
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
Just my 2 cents I think the less than stellar showings from their big boy IPs like Halo Infinite, Forza Motorsports and Starfield just to name a few have hurt Xbox more than anything
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I don't think it's fair to put Starfield on that list, that at least sold plenty of units on PC and will likely sell some more units if it goes to PS5 or Switch 2.

The big problem is the performance of Forza Motorsports and Halo, they both flopped hard, but at least Halo WILL get players if it's ported to PS if only for the novelty factor, Forza will have to contend with an entrenched GT audience on there.

DeltaPolarBear said:
Things are only the way it is now because Sony is no longer challenged. There is no where for a Console gamer to go but PlayStation.

This will change when a new challenger show up.

There will be another console war; it is just that the previous one has ended with a clear winner. But it wouldn't last long. I was around when the Console Wars first began, and the reason why it happened had never gone away; the majority of consoles were redundant with each other. You really don't have a reason to buy both unless you are rich. So Console War happens and each side struggle for survival.

Do not mistaken the end of the war for the sign that war can never happen again; Sony is not invincible and someone more competent than Microsoft can always appear.
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The big problem to me is, Digital libraries and the rise of backcompat mean that the entry barrier is now STEEP as fuck for any new entrant to the console space.

Like if you are Apple or Meta, then entering the console space is suicide because now you are not just gonna compete with the PS5 and Xbox Series-only libraries, you're also competing with all the games they were published at any point prior to your entrance to the market. Not to mention the switching costs involved.
 
Topher said:
Eh....I don't know. Seems rather inconsequential to me.
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Maybe i am a prisoner of time, but people would choose consoles based on playing with their friends on "Xbox Live". They could have expanded the concept in many different ways. Would have allowed them to keep growing.

It truly was a first mover advantage.
 
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FunkMiller said:
Not to console hardware, it isn't. Which is the thing people get upset about.
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This is 100% an artificial concern though. Breaking down the walled garden doesn't mean console hardware goes away, it means consumers have more choice in which device they can access their content on. Hopefully in the future, console wars will feel as stupid in retrospect as warring over who makes your TV or headphones. Consoles are just PCs that are (typically) more aesthetically pleasing and with a simpler custom interface.
 
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jwaxeman said:
This is 100% an artificial concern though. Breaking down the walled garden doesn't mean console hardware goes away, it means consumers have more choice in which device they can access their content on. Hopefully in the future, console wars will feel as stupid in retrospect as warring over who makes your TV or headphones. Consoles are just PCs that are (typically) more aesthetically pleasing and with a simpler custom interface.
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On the other hand, it is known that console gamers pay more to game studios than PC gamers. Thus game studios lose if there are no consoles. I keep having to remind people that PC gaming is not new and had always been here, but console gaming is just a more profitable business for game developers in general.

No point telling everyone to go on PC; we have been asking that for 30 years. You console gamers will stay on consoles because you want to. And I find it insane that just because Xbox is dying, that there is now this false narrative that Console is dying. As someone who doesn't care about console gaming, I see its death as a lie that it clearly is.
 
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IDKFA said:
Music still sees increasing vinyl and now even cassette tape sales. Physical movies are still being made and sold and physical books have been constantly outselling digital books. In all three cases consumers have a choice of physical even when Netflix, Spotify and Kindle exist.

Why then will gamers be better off when the option of buying physical is removed? How is removing choice beneficial to gamers?
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Where did I say that gamers will be better off when the option of buying physical is removed? Nice strawman you've created for yourself lol

My point is that MOST people will be better off for it.
 
londontko said:
Where did I say that gamers will be better off when the option of buying physical is removed? Nice strawman you've created for yourself lol

My point is that MOST people will be better off for it.
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Okay. How will most people be better off for it.
 
londontko said:
Where did I say that gamers will be better off when the option of buying physical is removed? Nice strawman you've created for yourself lol

My point is that MOST people will be better off for it.
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MOST people will be better off when we don't have the option to buy physical media?

Coming from rural Southern Indiana where most people living "in the country" has pretty subpar internet please enlighten me how removing physical media will help people download patches for COD not to mention the game itself

And we are not talking totally remote mountain top cabins here, just farm lands where ISPs can not justify running miles of line for 2 or 3 houses
 
Xbox has existed outside their console for basically a generation now... and I'm not sure Xbox has become stronger as a brand, platform and ecosystem.

As a third party publisher you don't have a money cushion coming from a 30% cut thanks to your market place.

your games are doing the heavy lifting for your buss-i-nesssss.

So, you can be everywhere, you can give your games away... QUALITY AND AMBITION are generally going to determine your relevance and success in the industy, especially for something as big as Xbox.
 
I applaud them making a great showcase this past week, but the fact is Xbox has made too many mistakes.

They stand to gain a lot more as a publisher; that's not to say they won't have exclusives for a time, but it stands to reason this generation is over for them.

What they choose to do for their next system is a real rest, if they do one. Rumors suggest a highly priced system and a handheld.


Remains to be seen how customers react to the former in this economy. Also, could put them in another "power differential" situation for devs.

And their push for digital-only and Netflix for Games seems to have been met with a very lukewarm response, at best. Game Pass has hit a wall and gamers have already grown tired of overmonetization.

Similar to how people rejected streaming apps once their sub prices got too high, Xbox may suffer the same fate with price hikes..regardless of CoD.
 
Moridianae said:
I applaud them making a great showcase this past week, but the fact is Xbox has made too many mistakes.

They stand to gain a lot more as a publisher; that's not to say they won't have exclusives for a time, but it stands to reason this generation is over for them.

What they choose to do for their next system is a real rest, if they do one. Rumors suggest a highly priced system and a handheld.


Remains to be seen how customers react to the former in this economy. Also, could put them in another "power differential" situation for devs.

And their push for digital-only and Netflix for Games seems to have been met with a very lukewarm response, at best. Game Pass has hit a wall and gamers have already grown tired of overmonetization.

Similar to how people rejected streaming apps once their sub prices got too high, Xbox may suffer the same fate with price hikes..regardless of CoD.
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This Gen, yes. That said if they can release 9/10 or 8/10 games with mass market appeal at a consistent rate, I could see them doing a lot better next gen. The thing is they probably won't. And they'll retract further inward around their big third party tentpole titles, and they'll keep cutting smaller studios that underperform.
 
FunkMiller said:
Not to console hardware, it isn't. Which is the thing people get upset about.
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It's kind of ridiculous when you think about it. Personally it don't effect me.I'm an Xbox guy I guess. It's where I buy most of my games. Funny thing is one of this news has made me want to give up on Xbox.

MS are the richest of the the three, and the most likely to come out smelling of roses when this dust from this transitional period in the industry. I feel confident in where I decided to invest in my digital library. And after that showcase the other day I'm only more confident in Xbox. Do I care if others play those games? Nope.



Funny thing. MS is. Ow the biggest publisher in their own platform and their rivals platforms. That's kind of…… impressive. 😅


The future is about your account, your sub and your active spending and engagement in these games. Not the one time purchase of the box. Most people would be happy to have one box and all their accounts and games on it regardless of who they buy the box from. I'm looking forward to where the industry goes next.
 
RickMasters said:
It's kind of ridiculous when you think about it. Personally it don't effect me.I'm an Xbox guy I guess. It's where I buy most of my games. Funny thing is one of this news has made me want to give up on Xbox.

MS are the richest of the the three, and the most likely to come out smelling of roses when this dust from this transitional period in the industry. I feel confident in where I decided to invest in my digital library. And after that showcase the other day I'm only more confident in Xbox. Do I care if others play those games? Nope.



Funny thing. MS is. Ow the biggest publisher in their own platform and their rivals platforms. That's kind of…… impressive. 😅


The future is about your account, your sub and your active spending and engagement in these games. Not the one time purchase of the box. Most people would be happy to have one box and all their accounts and games on it regardless of who they buy the box from. I'm looking forward to where the industry goes next.
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And if that's one box is a Playstation how's that a good thing for MS. Even as Microsoft is the biggest publisher on Playstation should there hardware ( which is still the primary way customers access ecosystem and drives majority of the software and services spending) collapse the revenue they gain from releasing the games across multiple platforms can't cover the revenue + profit lost from third party sales. Xbox has not been able to gain much market share in regards to PC storefront. There bet on Cloud gaming exploding has backfired. So this notion that the industry is flowing the way Microsoft wants to go is premature if not ludicrous.
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
MOST people will be better off when we don't have the option to buy physical media?

Coming from rural Southern Indiana where most people living "in the country" has pretty subpar internet please enlighten me how removing physical media will help people download patches for COD not to mention the game itself

And we are not talking totally remote mountain top cabins here, just farm lands where ISPs can not justify running miles of line for 2 or 3 houses
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We don't cater to the lowest common denominator. It's a stupid argument really, what do PC gamers do?

You can come up with what ifs you want, but it won't change the fact that physical media is going away rapidly and the internet in those small areas will need to get better or they will be left out in the cold.
 
londontko said:
We don't cater to the lowest common denominator. It's a stupid argument really, what do PC gamers do?

You can come up with what ifs you want, but it won't change the fact that physical media is going away rapidly and the internet in those small areas will need to get better or they will be left out in the cold.
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Businesses will cater to whoever they need to. If there is a market for it, even a small market, businesses will sell it. But HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 isn't stating "what ifs". He is talking about the current reality. I would not be a bit surprised to see PS6 release still with the option for a disk drive.
 
RickMasters said:
It's kind of ridiculous when you think about it. Personally it don't effect me.I'm an Xbox guy I guess. It's where I buy most of my games. Funny thing is one of this news has made me want to give up on Xbox.

MS are the richest of the the three, and the most likely to come out smelling of roses when this dust from this transitional period in the industry. I feel confident in where I decided to invest in my digital library. And after that showcase the other day I'm only more confident in Xbox. Do I care if others play those games? Nope.



Funny thing. MS is. Ow the biggest publisher in their own platform and their rivals platforms. That's kind of…… impressive. 😅


The future is about your account, your sub and your active spending and engagement in these games. Not the one time purchase of the box. Most people would be happy to have one box and all their accounts and games on it regardless of who they buy the box from. I'm looking forward to where the industry goes next.
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Coping alot here .
 
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londontko said:
We don't cater to the lowest common denominator. It's a stupid argument really, what do PC gamers do?

You can come up with what ifs you want, but it won't change the fact that physical media is going away rapidly and the internet in those small areas will need to get better or they will be left out in the cold.
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FCC just had an article that around 24 million Americans do not even have access to high speed internet, close to 7% of the population and no telling how more have pretty crappy "high speed" internet

This isn't a what if

We will have the option for physical media for awhile yet but I expect it to be much like the current PS5 solution, make it totally optional
 
HeisenbergFX4 said:
We will have the option for physical media for a while yet but I expect it to be much like the current PS5 solution, make it totally optional
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in truth no. Things are or exist as they want, this means, for example, that if they want to end physical media tomorrow we are totally passive in this process. The purchase of ABK was a crime against the console market, however it was approved, the trend is only going to get worse because how many companies can create an alternative market for us ?

Phil Spencer shouldn't have taken over the xbox division, this guy is going to destroy everything that gamers like, reduce everything to ashes physical media, console hardware , free competition, exclusive games, franchises only Satan to save the world of games. Those guys need to get out of this industry that's why I'm a Sony customer.
 
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