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[RCU005]

There you have it. They are going to double down on the third party strategy.

Of course they will. If you sell lemonades, would you want to sell them to the few people on your street, or the entire neighborhood?

They have to become Multiplatform in order to sell enough copies to become profitable. Their market share is small.

However, it seems that they are also doubling down on the console market, and will try again next generation. To me, they would be a much better business as a third party publisher, than console maker, but who knows? Nintendo has surprised everyone TWICE (Wii and Switch).

 

[jm89]

 

[BlackTron]

They have to become Multiplatform in order to sell enough copies to become profitable. Their market share is small.

However, it seems that they are also doubling down on the console market, and will try again next generation.

We really need more details but all signs point to new Xbox hardware being something that they neither expect nor push very many people to buy, because they have moved on. It's not really a "try".

Just like the Series revisions coming this holiday.

 

[DJ12]

Sony will follow this path one day the rising cost of dev must be offset

#SonyToo as MS cannot be the only ones to mess up their console business?

Sony will not follow this path as there will be no directly competing console to sell their exclusives on.

 

[jm89]

Sony will follow this path one day the rising cost of dev must be offset

If only xboxs only problem was rising cost......

 

[Mr.Phoenix]

My point exactly, friend. Like I said before, you either don't understand what that forest saying means, or you aren't following the conversation.



See, and the rest of this is just disingenuous nonsense. You make it seem like a small minority of people were claiming more games were coming while "lots of others" were claiming it was just those first four games when the reality is a vast majority of people understood those four games were just the beginning. I don't know of anyone claiming the rumors and leaks of other games are "hearsay and mean nothing".

And yes, this was always how clear the message was. You know this, you were in that thread that day when they had the business update that the clip was from. So was I, and I said these four games were just the start. Here is what you and the Lost shill were saying.




So at the time, it was "omg fire them, they can't be transparent about anything!" but now it's like omg they were totally transparent and Phil literally made a blood oath that these four games were it.





Wait, so at the time, they never said only those four games, but now, he "specifically said only those four games are coming"?

Who is the one trying to have it both ways here?

What the fuck are you saying?

I am not here saying that it was only those four games that were coming. I have always said there would be more than that. I was amongst those who always insisted that they weren't being honest.

But Like you quoted... thanks for that... My issue has always been with MS lack of transparency. And then, as you quoted, I took issue with the fact that they made it seem like only those 4 games were going to come, and was here trying to tell people that it would end up being more than those four, hell I even got into it with someone here who accused me of being delusional cause I was saying more than those 4 would come and how Phil has clearly said only four bla bla bla.... Was saying back then, that MS would do the sly shady shit I expected them to do, which was not to just come out and say, ok hey everything going forward is coming on everything... even if they knew that was going to be the case. And that is what they have done.

You are here saying that everyone "knew" more than those four games were coming... and that his messaging was accurate. No. That is not true, his messaging alluded to there only being those 4 games, us knowing more would come meant we had to read in between the lines.

I find it shocking that you are here trying to make it look like MS has been very very clear on their multi[platform release strategy all along. When they simply haven't... that we infer what may actually be going on, is very different from MS being clear on what is going on. Again, as I said, if they were clear on shit... this wouldn't be a point of discussion even now, or the Ryan wouldn't have asked him about it again. Or what they said in February wouldn't contradict what they are saying now....etc.

And the forest from the trees thing... what I was referring to is not even what I am talking to you about now. It was something you said. That I simply didn't want to bother getting into.

 

[bender]

For sure, a direct portal to an exact copy of the Xbox Gamepass selection just wouldn't work due to licensing constraints. It would have to be mostly MS published titles, maybe with a sprinkling of 3rd party.

Licensing constraints and I don't think Sony would allow 3rd party titles as that would compete with their own service.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

What the fuck are you saying?

I am not here saying that it was only those four games that were coming. I have always said there would be more than that. I was amongst those who always insisted that they weren't being honest.

But Like you quoted... thanks for that... My issue has always been with MS lack of transparency. And then, as you quoted, I took issue with the fact that they made it seem like only those 4 games were going to come, and was here trying to tell people that it would end up being more than those four, hell I even got into it with someone here who accused me of being delusional cause I was saying more than those 4 would come and how Phil has clearly said only four bla bla bla.... Was saying back then, that MS would do the sly shady shit I expected them to do, which was not to just come out and say, ok hey everything going forward is coming on everything... even if they knew that was going to be the case. And that is what they have done.

You are here saying that everyone "knew" more than those four games were coming... and that his messaging was accurate. No. That is not true, his messaging alluded to there only being those 4 games, us knowing more would come meant we had to read in between the lines.

I find it shocking that you are here trying to make it look like MS has been very very clear on their multi[platform release strategy all along. When they simply haven't... that we infer what may actually be going on, is very different from MS being clear on what is going on. Again, as I said, if they were clear on shit... this wouldn't be a point of discussion even now, or the Ryan wouldn't have asked him about it again. Or what they said in February wouldn't contradict what they are saying now....etc.

And the forest from the trees thing... what I was referring to is not even what I am talking to you about now. It was something you said. That I simply didn't want to bother getting into.

I never said or implied that MS has been clear about any of this. That was the other person, who now wants to act like this is some sort of heel turn for MS. Again, you just aren't following the conversation and I don't want another novel typed up for me to read so

 

[Diddy X]

Console warriors are sick people, I hope all companies, Sony too, going multiplatform ends lame console wars once and for all.

 

[thismeinteil]

Cause every showcase/E3 from Xbox was their "best" and praised by the fans, like it's going to move the needle, yet never does. People don't give a shit about promises or your ability to show off multiplats at shows. They want compelling HW with good exclusives. Always have, always will. Add in the fact that that we now have 2 gens worth of digital libraries, and there's just no reason to switch, now.

People hated on him, but he led to the most profitable gen ever for PS and the downfall of Xbox HW.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Live look into Colt Eadtwood's mama's basement…

How Phil doing all his boys like that in Men's Mental Health Awareness Month?

 

[DeepEnigma]

The most cringiest of spin.

WTF MS has been doing since its inception. Embrace, Extent, and Extinguish.

 

[N30RYU]

Port begging is just lame... we'll franchise begging... till we have Forza, Halo and Gears on PlayStation.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Console warriors are sick people, I hope all companies, Sony too, going multiplatform ends lame console wars once and for all.

I'm tired of it too. It was refreshing to not see the term exclusive anywhere at microsofts show. We spend more time fighting over which platform a game is on, instead of actually talking about games, because of this stupid "console war".

 

[Humdinger]

I think most people here know that MS will send a majority of their exclusives to other platforms. It's one thing to know that, but it's another thing to see how MS is approaching the issue, from a PR perspective. Seems to me they are approaching it very cautiously, very judiciously. They are slowly inching the goal-line forward. "Four games," then months of silence, then a couple more games and one line about "more coming," with tons of good PR from the Showcase providing cover. Seems to me that they are stepping carefully and slowly, trying to get their fanbase used to the idea without causing too much backlash all at once. Doling out the inevitable piecemeal.

p.s. Should be interesting to see how they handle the issue of timed exclusivity, too. vs. simultaneous release.

 

[NuclearDiarrhea]

Console warriors are sick people, I hope all companies, Sony too, going multiplatform ends lame console wars once and for all.

I'm not sick. I just want Xbox to die a very painful and hilarious death.

 

[GHG]

I'm not sick. I just want Xbox to die a very painful and hilarious death.

Ass of Can Whooping would say that makes you very healthy.

 

[{insert code here}]

Gears 6 being a prequel makes it a good fit, storywise, for the game being multiplatform.

It's going to be pretty wild seeing Microsoft IP outsell Sony IP on a Playstation platform. The tears from both sides gonna be epic

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

"Just the tip"

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Ass of Can Whooping would say that makes you very healthy.

Its people like him that make the world a better place

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Console warriors are sick people, I hope all companies, Sony too, going multiplatform ends lame console wars once and for all.

When Sony finally loads my gun at the showcase I'm dedicating one bullet to you

 

[mayham2199]

Console warriors are sick people, I hope all companies, Sony too, going multiplatform ends lame console wars once and for all.

I don't care whats going multiplatform but I don't want to Sony to switch to Day 1. That's just going to affect development time. After release if they want to hand it off so another studio can port it, that's fine with me.

 

[XXL]

"Just the tip"

How anyone can believe a word this guy says is honestly fucking unreal at this point.

 

[londontko]

He no longer sees a path forward to being a dominate force sales wise with hardware

Will keep selling to a niche market and try to make more money from other platforms they aren't getting on Gamepass

Hardware is a sinking ship, when cloud gaming takes off your console it worthless.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Hardware is a sinking ship, when cloud gaming takes off your console it worthless.

I will always have hardware to play my games and I guess the day they force me to go 100% cloud is the day I find a different hobby

But then again I am an old get off my lawn kind of guy

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

Hardware is a sinking ship, when cloud gaming takes off your console it worthless.

Hardware is going nowhere, this is bullshit.

Cloud isn't taking over anytime soon especially seeing how Stadia and XCloud have both been epic flops. Consumers have tasted cloud gaming and don't give a shit about it.

 

[Topher]

Hardware is a sinking ship, when cloud gaming takes off your console it worthless.

Hardly. Game publishers will be just as willing to sell their games to people playing local hardware even if/when gains popularity with the majority of consumers. Music labels still make vinyl records to this day. If there is enough demand, businesses will make money off of it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

"Just the tip"

Gaming's politician.

 

[thismeinteil]

sony fanboys port begging is funny considering they said xbox has no games.

Well, for one, no one is begging. The games are just coming. And two, funny how after spending $70B+ to buy 2 of the biggest publishers you all of a sudden have games people want. Of course, it's such a shame they have to go multiplat to earn that money back.

 

[Oppoi]

Console warriors are sick people, I hope all companies, Sony too, going multiplatform ends lame console wars once and for all.

Nintendo wouldn't stop laughing until you left the room for saying that, Sony too. Edit. It's a wonderful thought though, but we know who wants to kill Sony and buy Nintendo. Let's be frank here...

 

[MarkMe2525]

I don't know man... as it stands, I would sooner take the ramblings of some random poster on GAF over anything that MS says. Sounds crazy I know, but how many times does a company need to talk out of both sides of its mouth for people to realize that nothing they say can be trusted?

Do you care if what you assert or what you believe is true?

 

[Syphon Filter]

When Sony finally loads my gun at the showcase I'm dedicating one bullet to you

sony has no ammo

 

[DeepEnigma]

sony has no ammo

They has all of MS's now.

 

[Syphon Filter]

They has all of MS's now.

where

 

[DeepEnigma]

where

 

[Woopah]

Well they just don't have patience. They have everything to turn things with these new games and shift consumers next gen.

Sony is in poor management now, only 1 relevant fp game last 2 years. 1 big aaa per year, no showcase.

I think MS just doesn't want, they want at any cost to make subscription model the mandatory way to consume games.

I wouldn't say that's true. They had a showcase last year and 5 of the 20 best selling games of the year in the US are Sony first party ones.

Maybe. Let's see if they announce Switch 2 at their direct.

It won't be at the Direct, but at a later event.

 

[Skifi28]

I thought it was Phil Spender lol

Maybe, if he spent his own money.

 

[londontko]

Hardly. Game publishers will be just as willing to sell their games to people playing local hardware even if/when gains popularity with the majority of consumers. Music labels still make vinyl records to this day. If there is enough demand, businesses will make money off of it.

 

[londontko]

I will always have hardware to play my games and I guess the day they force me to go 100% cloud is the day I find a different hobby

But then again I am an old get off my lawn kind of guy

I don't think physical media will ever disappear 100% but it'll get less and less practical/relevant over time. You can still play your vinyl records if you want to but it's a small niche. Gaming will be the same way they just haven't got there yet.

 

[Topher]

oops

 

[BlackTron]

#SonyToo as MS cannot be the only ones to mess up their console business?

Sony will not follow this path as there will be no directly competing console to sell their exclusives on.

They have no direct competition until the biggest selling third party games are on both PS5/6 and Switch 2, selling the biggest numbers on Switch 2 because the perf gap became too small for 90% of people to care and they love convenience.

Sony still isn't dumb enough to put all their main games on it, but I think it's a real threat.

 

[Fafalada]

Gaming will be the same way they just haven't got there

Yes, because it's economically unworkable business model.
And as long as games keep increasing in fidelity/complexity, it will stay that way - the only way cloud gaming works is if games stagnate, permanently.

The main things cloud-gaming has been marketed on (increasing computational complexity of games beyond what local compute can do) is only making it less viable - unless people are prepared to spend 5-10x more on their games/subs in the future.

 

[londontko]

Yes, because it's economically unworkable business model.
And as long as games keep increasing in fidelity/complexity, it will stay that way - the only way cloud gaming works is if games stagnate, permanently.

The main things cloud-gaming has been marketed on (increasing computational complexity of games beyond what local compute can do) is only making it less viable - unless people are prepared to spend 5-10x more on their games/subs in the future.

If you say so, but that's just your opinion. Every major player seems to see the writing on the wall. I guess they should have called you first before they invested billions!

 

[bitbydeath]

Someone say Fore?

 

[Fafalada]

If you say so, but that's just your opinion.

Not an opinion - I've had inside perspective on a few of the attempts so I have 'some' understanding of how the economics work for cloud compute vs other monetization models.
But indeed no need to take my word for any of it.
In the last 12 years we've had multiple major failures attempting this (including all 3 of the biggest cloud players failing to generate noticeable traction, and one of them taking the full loss on it already), exactly 0 real success stories (commercially) and exactly 0 examples of cloud compute delivering on its promise of 'next generation experiences' (despite there being several massively funded startups dedicated solely to the idea of cloud-compute programming platforms, alongside the internal efforts into same space in the big companies).

I guess they should have called you first before they invested billions!

Well - world financial markets invested billions into NFTs as well - who am I to argue with their reasons.
But the 'writing's on the wall for local compute' has been a mantra we've been talking about cloud since (at least) mid 90ies - this isn't a new or recent concept - nor is it one that was even started in the game industry.

 

[Elios83]

This was obvious since the beginning but at least now it's confirmed.
They don't have much choice, the acquisitions of big multiplatform publishers, the abysmal Xbox hardware sales, the stalled Gamepass growth...going multiplatform is the only way to be successfull for them.
Next year the floodgates will open.

 

[skneogaf]

It's adorable that people still think Phil Spencer is doing this out of the goodness of his heart and not for monies.

I don't believe that buts still nice to see as everybody wins.

 

[londontko]

Not an opinion - I've had inside perspective on a few of the attempts so I have 'some' understanding of how the economics work for cloud compute vs other monetization models.
But indeed no need to take my word for any of it.
In the last 12 years we've had multiple major failures attempting this (including all 3 of the biggest cloud players failing to generate noticeable traction, and one of them taking the full loss on it already), exactly 0 real success stories (commercially) and exactly 0 examples of cloud compute delivering on its promise of 'next generation experiences' (despite there being several massively funded startups dedicated solely to the idea of cloud-compute programming platforms, alongside the internal efforts into same space in the big companies).


Well - world financial markets invested billions into NFTs as well - who am I to argue with their reasons.
But the 'writing's on the wall for local compute' has been a mantra we've been talking about cloud since (at least) mid 90ies - this isn't a new or recent concept - nor is it one that was even started in the game industry.

So, because we've seen multiple failures in the last 12 years, you're concluding it will NEVER work? If we were back in the 80s right after the Atari crash, you'd be one of the ones declaring video games dead—never to recover. Separate personal bias from objective analysis. You can hate cloud gaming but still recognize the potential and see the direction the industry is moving. Failures aren't usually endings in tech, it's just a stepping stone to something else.

 

[Chronicle]

Gears on PS. Please.

 

[DeltaPolarBear]

So, because we've seen multiple failures in the last 12 years, you're concluding it will NEVER work? If we were back in the 80s right after the Atari crash, you'd be one of the ones declaring video games dead—never to recover. Separate personal bias from objective analysis. You can hate cloud gaming but still recognize the potential and see the direction the industry is moving. Failures aren't usually endings in tech, it's just a stepping stone to something else.

What potential?
Cloud is just having the hardware in a different room from the user. The hardware would always be better off in the same room as the user rather than be a city block away. It doesn't matter how advanced the hardware, it doesn't change anything because that same hardware would also improve for the home computer.

The only "potential" for Cloud is to take away the customer's ability to own their own hardware and have the freedom to install what they want. As in, the only beneficiary is the one who owns the hardware. There is no potential to renting rather than owning, had been that way for centuries.

What it boils down to, is that companies want what is the most profitable, even if that isn't what the customer wants. And when they try to push that thing the customer leaves.

I would like the future to be everyone on Earth paying me a dollar a day to do nothing. That would certainly be good for me. The fact that it is bad for the rest of you is not my problem because "it is the future".