FunkMiller
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The vote to deny an inquiry comes from a government still too captured by ideology, and not experienced enough to know when pragmatism is needed. Absolutely idiotic decision that will bite them. They've handed many votes to Reform.
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UK's so-called "grooming gangs" get international attention
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Tams
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Rupert Lowe is the one to really look out for.
An absolutely shameful reaction to his speech.
DeepEnigma
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Keep Greenland on ice, I think our forebrothers and sisters needs them a Declaration of Independence v2.0
On second thought, Greenland makes for a great strategical point as it did so in the past.
Kidding, sort of.
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Schoolboy Error
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Nope, pretty much the opposite. Pragmatism is getting on and implementing the recommendations from the 2022 Jay inquiry, practical steps which will help make kids safer and make professionals more accountable (none of which were implemented by the Tory's, which makes their current clamouring fucking nauseating).
The Tory's set up a wrecking amendment today that would have sunk the child wellbeing and education bill if it had been successful, as it would not have allowed the bill to progress to a second reading. That's ideological.
I am no fan of Starmer or this Labour government but some of the discourse in this thread about him and Jess Phillips is fucking grim. She has said some stupid things but she has done more to tackle the abuse experienced by women and girls in the past year than most of us will have done in our lives. I really hope we haven't got another Jo Cox situation coming down the pipe..
Not as grim as thousands of pedophile rape gangs roaming the streets unopposed
Tams
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I hate when people use that as an argument.
I've never found myself anywhere near a situation in which I could help that. She has put herself in a position where it is her duty to help victims of abuse. And if you look into her history, she has not done anywhere near as much as her position as an MP has afforded her. Why? Because her vote is held up in part by a community who has enabled such abuse.
Schoolboy Error
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Indeed, nor as grim as the thousands of kids who have been victims of abuse in religious institutions. Or the hundreds of thousands of kids who are abused in the "safety" of their own home by family members.
But still pretty fucking grim. And again, implementing the actual recommendations from a detailed, seven year long inquiry is probably a really good place to start, instead of kicking it down the road with yet another inquiry.
But still pretty fucking grim. And again, implementing the actual recommendations from a detailed, seven year long inquiry is probably a really good place to start, instead of kicking it down the road with yet another inquiry.
FunkMiller
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You've been banned, but to address this - the inquiry conducted already has not, and did not, in any way concentrate on the specific rape gangs operating in Rotherham. There was a generalised 'grooming gang' component to the inquiry, but nothing specific enough to address the apparent police corruption going on.
All of you bleating that the inquiry has already happened are conveniently glossing over the fact that nothing has been done to target and investigate these specific allegations. That is what the victims want. Why can't they have that?
Also - I hope your disgust at the way Jess Phillips has been treated was equalled by your disgust at the threats hurled at Rosie Duffield when she defended women's rights to have safe spaces from men.
Doubt it though, eh?
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Tams
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There is zero reason why the the recommendations couldn't be implemented (even if the vast majority are just bullshit bingo phrases) and simultaneously a new inquiry be launched that covers as many cases as possible and perhaps tries too see some real justice brought (and yes, inquiries aren't for obtaining justice, but that's the only chance the victims are likely to get).
The inquiry that has happened also was very limited in the number of cases it covered and didn't focus on any one in particular. A new one should cover all known ones and address each individually. I honestly don't know what they were doing for so long.
Ultimately, retrials would be needed for proper justice to be brought. However, our justice system is so braindead and rotten (just look at the sentencing; 'good character' my arse), that won't happen.
Edit: Oh, banned I see. Maybe don't deflect child rape and torture in the future on other platforms.
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Dr.Guru of Peru
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It's perplexing - just order an inquiry and implement the new changes anyways. Why can't they act on the initial report while performing further inquiry into the specifics of the grooming gangs?
Tams
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There's only one possible conclusion: They are scared of what a proper inquiry would find out about them.
FunkMiller
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Because they will get accused of targeting a religious and racial minority and will get dragged through the courts to the tune of millions of pounds. It will also massively escalate tensions that could lead to rioting, which would also cost millions of pounds. They've allowed this situation over the course of many years to reach this point, and now dealing with it comes with far too much expense and trouble.
P:axMagellanic
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Fella, I get it, but this is a fucking indescribable stain on our country. It's a festering open wound on the psyche of us in these towns. If the 'UK' deserves complete humiliation in the worlds media then so be it. Trump can sanction the ever living fuck out of us for all I care at this point. This 'government' has no credibility, no trust and certainly no decency. It's a filthy regime.
We're going to end up with brown shirts walking the streets if this carries on. Police won't protect us, the contemptible courts won't protect us, we organise to protect ourselves and the riot police and dogs come out. They're attempting to strip us of all dignity.
FunkMiller
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The Tories are just as to blame for this horror as Labour. I'll back you up all the way in your condemnation of how these rape gangs have been handled, but I won't in anyway lay the blame at any one political party's door, because that simply isn't the truth. Boris Johnson said spending money on child abuse enquiries was 'spaffing money up a wall'.
Nor am I going to write the entire country of my birth off because of this reprehensible situation. The same way I would not expect an American to do the same thing, or anyone in Europe, or here in Australia.
I moved back here to get away from a sclerotic country that needs root and branch change to the way it functions... but it remains a country that many people still rightly want to live in.
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DeepEnigma
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Military-aged men reaping the spoils of the invasion war. This is eventually going to come to a head, and it will be ugly.
Go_Ly_Dow
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FunkMiller
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Dr.Morris79
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Slowly but surely. These Liberal types sure won't know what hit them when the time comes..
GymWolf
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How fucking retarded you must be to think that police arresting actual pedos and rapist is dictated by racism?? Do people doesn't hear the words rape and minor when they watch the tv??
Unless the news completely omit the reason why they are arrested, this sound like such a fucking bizzarro world situation.
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Tams
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If anyone is wondering why the thing that was voted on doesn't seem related and consequently why a number of MPs abstained; it's because of the arcane way Parliament works.
The government choose what is brought to Parliament to be debated. However, there are opportunities for those outside the government to table debates. Often this is through ammendments to government bills (as these are frequent, so you get an greater chance of a debate). The Speaker chooses which ammendments are debated, through a process no one has a clue works; probably gentlemanly agreement.
So... Labour have a bill they want to get through and don't want an inquiry. The Conservatives and Reform want an inquiry.
Labour can therefore claim that the ammendment was irrelevant and try to hide not holding an inquiry behind that. The Conservatives and Reform can claim Labour don't want an inquiry and imply they don't care about the victims.
Yeah... politics, eh.
Tams
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We are now a retarded nation. This has been rooting in for almost three decades now.
Think DEI has been bad in games? Then you have no idea how bad it can be.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
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Yep. None of this makes any sense.
If you commit a crime, you should be punished fully in accordance with the law based on your actions - regardless of whether you are white, brown, or green, or whatever religion you choose to believe in or not.
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Shadowplay1979
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Unless we got a chunnel 2, youd be suprised at how many people arent gonna deal with air travelNo way!
If that happened all the scummy people from Detroit and Buffalo would come over to the GTA. Lol. Then again maybe they wouldn't since a half decent house will cost you at least $1M. They wouldn't even have the money anyway.
And then we would all have to get used to using Imperial measurements and milk comes in gigantic gallon jugs!
Tams
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Not in tiered Britian, and especially not with 2 Tier Kier in charge.
P:axMagellanic
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As if yesterday's vote wasn't catastrophic enough, the silly cunts are crashing the pound while they're at it.
The Tories can hang alongside labour, the police and the courts as far as I'm concerned.
The Tories can hang alongside labour, the police and the courts as far as I'm concerned.
I think fundamentally these politicians DONT THINK ITS A CRIME. My understanding of Britain is they are far more class(ist) and socially layered than the US, so are these poor white girls viewed more like black/hispanic/indigenous girls would be in the US (i.e., marginalized, discounted, and minimalized) thus it's more like one 'brown group known for bad behavior (drunkeness, lewdness, early sex)" being tangled up with another "brown group known for bad behavior (rapaciousness, disregard for 'polite society' rules)" while the upperclass "white folks" just wash their hands of it.
Here in the US this type on attack on white girls by brown men triggers a LOT of racially derived issues we have not, and may never, really work through in order to approach it with an objective and clear mind. Hell, its the root of the BBC fetish to some extent! We may say it's a relic of the deep south from before the 60's or whatever but it's still a factor across the US.
Anyway, even if you strip way any racial/ethnic or religious factors, that these poor children are in positions to be exploited by these men in this fashion and cany even get help is damned tragic.
Oner
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Which is why I felt I had to fit/frame my earlier post the way I did. For fear of losing my account here because of the gray area of the rules on the topic of "Politics". We have to be able to have SOME discourse and ask/answer questions (especially for those younger minds seeking out clarity about varied subjects). If you are unable to point out the failures because of the consequences to how people vote OR legislation & policies that are CLEARLY bad (again for ALL) then it will be swept under the rug and shit like these atrocities will continue to propagate and grow. It shouldn't always be looked at with a Red/Blue knee jerk reaction that results in a ban immediately. Now I understand there are some topics that get WAAAAAY out of hand....but you handle them immediately/clearly to keep the conversation going so people can get the information that is pivotal for good functioning societies. Disallowing ALL subjects is not healthy. Just look at the shit hole ResetEra is in what they allow and will not. It's obvious there is a bias of which ALWAYS is more heavy-handed towards one way over another.
Hhhmmm ~ actually I might have changed my mind a little as I am typing this. Maybe it is better this way ~ let me clarify with saying if EviLore was to bring up a topic (just as this one right here) it would be more curated and with good oversight to guide the discussion without stamping out some specific or all voices out right. Definitely address REAL shit kickers immediately, but when reasonable "arguments" are made, then it helps Critical Thinking & Objectivity for discussions to keep information flowing (especially viewed from MANY angles). I mean tbh, a topic like this while being "Political" is too important to NOT talk about and proves it can be done. It NEEDS to be done, especially with the severity of Human Rights Violations that has gone on for DECADES! Again, putting a blind eye to all conversations is harrowingly harmful (and self inflicted in a way) as we can ALL see & agree with whether you are Left/Right/Center etc.
You can tell when a person has good intentions in the way they speak. Sometimes looking at things with emotion is good, other times not and sometimes being logical is better, but may not be in specific cases. Either way I hope this sparks curiosity in whomever may come across any discussion to get people researching more.
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Mistake
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Ah, gotcha. Business as usual then
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Nigel Farage pledges to launch Reform's own inquiry into grooming gangs scandal | LBC
Nigel Farage has told LBC that Reform UK will launch its own inquiry into the grooming gangs scandal if Labour refuse to investigate themselves.
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Nigel Farage pledges to launch Reform's own inquiry.
Tams
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Fatmanp
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That's smart because the people that don't like him can't say his inquiry draws false conclusions because he can just say, well where is yours,Nigel Farage pledges to launch Reform's own inquiry into grooming gangs scandal | LBC
Nigel Farage has told LBC that Reform UK will launch its own inquiry into the grooming gangs scandal if Labour refuse to investigate themselves.
Nigel Farage pledges to launch Reform's own inquiry.
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FunkMiller
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You've hit the nail on the head with the class distinction. The UK suffers greatly from a paucity of working class voices in positions of power. It's why Brexit happened. Our institutions are piled high with middle class people, who are in the job due to their background, rather than their talent. The police force has become a victim of this in the last 20 years, for instance.
And don't get me started with the entertainment industries. Chock full of chinless wonders with rich daddies and degrees paid for by him.
I tend to compare the UK a lot to Australia, which is a pretty straight forward meritocracy, where nobody gives a shit which side of the tracks you grew up on. The difference is eye opening.
GymWolf
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You should not be a politician or having the right to vote if you read what they did to these girls and think it's not a crime.
I don't wanna believe that that is the truth, i refuse, for my own mental sanity.
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Oner
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Nigel Farage pledges to launch Reform's own inquiry into grooming gangs scandal | LBC
Nigel Farage has told LBC that Reform UK will launch its own inquiry into the grooming gangs scandal if Labour refuse to investigate themselves.
Nigel Farage pledges to launch Reform's own inquiry.
For the sake of what is left of justice for the absolute innocent ~ this humanitarian crisis must not go unresolved!
Not just there, but WHEREVER these atrocities exist.
Maybe. Just MAYBE ~ this might be a catalyst to somehow get there and restore some sanity in the world.
I fear if it doesn't. Then I cannot even begin to fathom the level of demoralization & anger it could lead to with what has already transpired.
A correlation can be made to the scene in V for Vendetta where the Cop kills the little girl which was the last straw that sparked the people to finally do something.
Eerily similar juxtaposition in reference to the failure of the Authorities toward the public (because of oppression, censorship, overreach, tyranny etc).
That's all I got. I really need to get some sleep...goodnight.
#GodSaveTheChildren
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Tams
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But now we have r Angela and Jessie!
purvispisgah
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From where do these bad ideas continue to emanate? Why are these ideas even born? How are they distributed?
Who is responsible?
DeepEnigma
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It's almost as if they should have an investigation they keep shying away from.
Jsisto
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What in the fuck. I don't understand this at all. While horrible regardless, if they were adults you can make the argument they might be aware and consenting to what was happening. But from everything I've read the majority of these cases are literally kids/minors. What the hell is going on? Aren't we supposed to protect kids? Kids being harmed should bring down the full force of the law more than anything else. My brain can't comprehend something like this happening in a Western country.
Tams
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No, no, no. You don't understand. The councils and police might have been called 'racist' if they went after the perpetrators! It's all for 'social cohesion'. It's for the greater good!
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Dontkidyourselfjimmy
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The UK is facing similar issues with immigration. NHS waiting lists are longer than they have ever been forcing many to go private after waiting for multiple years for things like Knee/hip replacements. With most GP surgeries now you'll be waiting weeks for an appointment rather than getting one on the day. House prices, rent, council waiting lists have all gone through the roof while wages have stagnated vs inflation. Many city centres now have no go zones and look like shit holes, the list is endless.
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Tams
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But if you're an 'asylum seeker', you get put up in a hotel, Dominos for dinner, get to stand outside the local school gate, and priority access with the NHS!
Edit: I forgot the pair of Nike Airs!
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ÆMNE22A!C
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In regards to human (child) trafficking pedophile networks; that's been going on for ages. Trauma based torture to create dissociative compartmentalized fractured psychological states (MKULTRA) etc isn't new and plays an almost inherent role in certain "elite" social statuses. These children are trained (tortured/molested) IE groomed to serve a function.
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See, that specific reference would be for a secret cabal that was offing these pakistani perps and then also went after a few honest chaps that happened to chat up some girls without knowing their ages. The whole point of HF (which is a SPECTACULAR film, BTW), is that they would kill to maintain their specific idea of antiquated Britishness.No, no, no. You don't understand. The councils and police might have been called 'racist' if they went after the perpetrators! It's all for 'social cohesion'. It's for the greater good!
See, we DID have that kinda thing here and it turned into this...
so STOPPING a racially motivated vigilante group IS a good thing, but it will require competent policing even when it's 'uncomfortable', making some hard decisions about immigration of culturally opposed groups, and then allowing them to coalesce into their own areas and take over. Basically preventing the need for a KKK like group in the first place by serving the citizens you have, not bringing in trouble and then letting it fester.
Tams
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Yes, the analogy doesn't exactly fit, specifically their motives.
The motive here is 'social cohesion' and multiculturalism. That they are contradictory, well...
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