Megalopolis | Rottenwatch

This kinda just seems like a version of the same angle as your last post, just swapping out whether something can be considered bad for can something be considered a masterpiece. So, to reiterate, no I'm not saying that. You can think something is a masterpiece if you want or you can disagree that something is a masterpiece.

There can be a canon, works generally regarded as great, like The Mona Lisa, Hamlet, or, since this thread is about Coppola, The Godfather. There's definitely merit to the idea of classics that people should try to experience if they're into that medium. Looking at what the consensus is can be a useful guide. But it's also perfectly valid to think they're not good. Similarly, you can consider something a masterpiece, even if most people think it's terrible.

You can have a critical consensus, which reflects the commonly held view among experts or those knowledgeable about the medium. There's also a public consensus, representing the general opinion of the wider population. Rotten Tomatoes can illustrate how these perspectives may differ. But you can disagree with both of those about what is bad and good.

Van Gogh's work wasn't appreciated in his time but he's now widely considered one of the greatest artists in history. The consensus shifted. Was it objectively bad before and now it's objectively good? When is it appropriate for that definitive judgment to form?
You're real good at saying what you're not saying but not so much at saying what you're saying. It seems like you want to have your cake and eat it too, actually I'm not sure what point you're trying to make anymore. So I'll just drop it.
 
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So then we can agree that due to critical consensus Megalopolis is a bad film? You can't have it both ways.
No. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea I'm saying that. Here's part of my last post where I said the opposite.

You can have a critical consensus, which reflects the commonly held view among experts or those knowledgeable about the medium. There's also a public consensus, representing the general opinion of the wider population. Rotten Tomatoes can illustrate how these perspectives may differ. But you can disagree with both of those about what is bad and good.
 
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No. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea I'm saying that. Here's part of my last post where I said the opposite.
You keep saying things that no one is claiming. Of course you can disagree no one says you can't disagree just like no one says you can't like something even if it is bad. However liking something or disagreeing that something is bad when there is widespread consensus doesn't make it not bad. I dont understand what you don't understand. There are 2 types of people those who can admit to liking something that is bad whether it be food, music, film etc and those who cannot admit to liking something bad. Goes back to my original point about the ego and validation. I like plenty of things that are bad and I don't have to convince myself that they aren't bad to enjoy them.
 
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It arrived on Netflix here, compromising Ford Coppola's vision, but i gave it a watch.

I wasn't prepared.

Megalopolis is incredibly polarizing. It either is a cacophony of semi-random scenes about a neo-Roman empire, or it is a flawed carbuckle of visionary delirium.

Bordering on the non-sensical, i found the movie incredibly original and as such instantly far better than say, Cap. America's Brave New World. I am also reminded of Motherless Brooklyn and, perhaps in terms of ambition, Cloud Atlas, which i have yet to see.

Ironically enough, Netflix also recommended me Interstellar - Which i would view as a distant future done in a coherent manner.

Megalopolis is not coherent. Its basically a unfinished painting of imagination and ambition, undecided whether its strokes should paint something meaningful or either brush them off. In any case however, i was thoroughly entertained, this is easily one of those movies you can watch multiple times because there is always something new to find. It is incredibly original in a movie landscape where these kinds of big budget films lose their originality.

And you know what? I prefer a uncompromising flawed movie over any safe movie that doesn't dare doing something new with the medium.

It is funny that they are family, but Megalopolis is what you get if the person Nicolas Cage was somehow a movie. That's what this is. Or, if you are a gamer, Megalopolis is what you get if Star Citizen was a movie.
 
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Nicolas Cage is Francis Ford Coppola's nephew, so that tracks!
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Still want to see this due to it being original and I guess falling In the sci-fi category . We are starved of big budget sci-fi. Holy shit was the creator bad.
 
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It wasn't a terrible movie, but I didn't like how topical it was. If the movie is supposed to be highly conceptual, it shouldn't refer to lame current events and politics.
Because of this I don't think it will age well or become a cult favorite.
 
Still want to see this due to it being original and I guess falling In the sci-fi category . We are starved of big budget sci-fi. Only shit was the creator bad.
But we just got Dune pt 1 and 2, with 3 on the way!

And I don't know that I would consider Megalopolis as sci-fi. It has FANTASTIC elements, but they are not really explored in ways typical for sci-fi.
 
But we just got Dune pt 1 and 2, with 3 on the way!

And I don't know that I would consider Megalopolis as sci-fi. It has FANTASTIC elements, but they are not really explored in ways typical for sci-fi.

Dune is barely sci-fi, there's a case for the books to be sci-fi, but the movies stripped everything out. Anyways, don't want to derail the thread I know it's kind of a hot take.
 
I have to respect someone whose made F You levels of money and decides to spend the limited time they have left on this earth making just what they want to do. Even if the end result is Neil Breen with a budget.
 
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