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[P:axMagellanic]

Could be.

Trump wants his compromise peace deal, probably because he thinks the US will profit from it. So he pulls some support from Ukraine to get Russia to the table. Can always reinstate it if Russia walks away.

Ultimately if the US is so critical to Ukraine's chances of success then they need to accept a deal if that's what the US wants. If the EU wants to keep fighting so badly then they can send in forces of their own. Or buy their oil from someone else. But it's highly likely that if the occupied region really does want to stay Ukranian then in a few years once central Russian authority and their ability to project power down to the Crimea collapses, they can just take it back and probably more in return.

1) It has, my country has depleted its stock of AS-90 self propelled guns for example and is buying all new Archer systems. That's a dangerous capability gap until they all arrive and are brought into the logistics train, but it's seen as necessary.

Britain and France have offered boots on the ground for the ceasefire.

2) Germany is effectively de-industrialising itself to ween away from Russian energy. The continent buys LNG from the US, You're acting as if crashed European economies are any help whatsoever to either the US or Ukraine either financially, militarily or as partners.

With you sanctioning Canada, the UK/EU might be able to buy that oil from them, but that'll take time to get the tankers ready, and it sure as hell isn't anywhere near a pipelines volume.

 

[chakadave]

Trump won by a pretty slim margin.

This is inaccurate. He won by a historic margin.

Interesting to read this as there is many US people who say the exact opposite now that they are living in Europe. Where in Europe did you move from? Cant really relate to anything you wrote here but the taxes. Which I''m quite fine to pay considering what I am getting in return.



ruZZia invaded.

You don't pay for Defense the crooked and corrupt Neocons and democrats have sold out their own country to line their own pockets. the US population is done paying for the worlds defense.

We are fine. We shouldn't be supporting any country that doesn't affirm and protect the freedom of speech and self defense.

In a certain way, yes.
If you remember history, the USA before entering WW1 had an isolationist policy.
After that, and especially after WW2, the USA forgo it's isolationist policy and made itself as the leading power in the world.
It had many assets, like it's economy, military, industry, etc. But a very important asset were it's allies, all around the world.
The USA became GREAT, by being open with the world, by having allies, by trading, by being a beacon of democracy.
If the USA isolates itself, it will become smaller. It's influence will diminish dramatically, both in political, economic and militarily.

A beacon of democracy? Why is the EU battling free speech and disarmed themselves? freedom relies on the US Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights. No one is free now.

2) Germany is effectively de-industrialising itself to ween away from Russian energy. The continent buys LNG from the US, You're acting as if crashed European economies are any help whatsoever to either the US or Ukraine either financially, militarily or as partners.

They also shut down their main power source in a self inflicted wound.

 

[EviLore]

Russia being an overwhelming, sophisticated military force and is "winning" is a red herring. If that were the case the Ukraine conflict wouldn't have lasted for more than a month let alone 3 years. They wouldn't have had to rely on Iran for weapons, request north korean missiles/cannon fodder, or have a semi mutiny in the middle from the leader of their most feared mercenary group.

Truthfully, most should be surprised Ukraine has held out this long, they've even won some battles. After this war, personally I have less fear from Russian, soviet grade weapons. They are not close to the west...

Yes, there is a significant technological gap. But Russia is willing to sacrifice any amount of its people (and its allies' people) as pawns for little more than the chance at conquest. How many Western Europeans are willing to die in that meatgrinder to protect Eastern Europe? Much of Europe needs a wakeup call about how serious the stakes are in preserving the West.

 

[AJUMP23]

I worry less about Russia, and more about CHINA!

 

[BlackTron]

This is inaccurate. He won by a historic margin.

I mean according to Trump yes it was historic. I had this discussion on FB comments a week ago. He told me I must have gotten fake numbers. I asserted that the numbers are the same no matter what source you get them from (besides Trump). He then said that USAID had bought out the entire world media.

 

[BlackTron]

I worry less about Russia, and more about CHINA!

I agree. Russia is small potatoes. Why even bother to finish dealing with that war when we can have China talking about war this week?

Edit: actually I just read that China increased their military spending by 7%. I hate being right.

 

[mitch1971]

He missed the part where they secretly kissed and made up

 

[jason10mm]

1) It has, my country has depleted its stock of AS-90 self propelled guns for example and is buying all new Archer systems. That's a dangerous capability gap until they all arrive and are brought into the logistics train, but it's seen as necessary.

Britain and France have offered boots on the ground for the ceasefire.

2) Germany is effectively de-industrialising itself to ween away from Russian energy. The continent buys LNG from the US, You're acting as if crashed European economies are any help whatsoever to either the US or Ukraine either financially, militarily or as partners.

With you sanctioning Canada, the UK/EU might be able to buy that oil from them, but that'll take time to get the tankers ready, and it sure as hell isn't anywhere near a pipelines volume.

Ceasefire means the lines as they are stabilize, right? So policing an inactive war is very different than soldiering an active one.

And again, it's a bit two-faced to say "You US need to support Ukraine more or you are in bed with Russia!" when ya'll are buying Russian gas and that's the only thing keeping them afloat to persecute the war to begin with! Who is the one giving HARD CURRENCY to Russia so they can keep buying weapons?

Trump warned the EU about this in 2018. Obvious the realities of modern energy demands set up these issues and Germany for sure made the switch AWAY from nuclear at the wrong time. France should have been the model for these major, stable, countries and I would bet ANYTHING that if Germany was 70% nukes like France, you'd see a very different EU response to Russia in the Ukraine. Had these countries moved in 2018 like they have been since 2022, away from russian sources, seems highly unlikely the attack would have unfolded like it did.

 

[chakadave]

I mean according to Trump yes it was historic. I had this discussion on FB comments a week ago. He told me I must have gotten fake numbers. I asserted that the numbers are the same no matter what source you get them from (besides Trump). He then said that USAID had bought out the entire world media.

Population dense areas usually vote one way. This was a huge shift. It wasn't just electoral. It was a shift from previous elections. That is a "historic" change.

The size of Donald Trump's 2024 election victory, explained in 5 charts

How big was President-elect Donald Trump’s victory? It was clear, but not a landslide by historical standards. Here’s how 2024 sized up to other recent elections.

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This article originally appeared on PolitiFact.

How big was President-elect Donald Trump's victory? It was clear, but not a landslide by historical standards.

Trump won both the Electoral College and the popular vote; in fact, Trump this year became only the second Republican to win the popular vote since 1988.

The vast majority of counties saw their margins shift in Trump's direction, both in places where Republicans historically do well and places where Democrats generally have an edge.

 

[winjer]

2) Germany is effectively de-industrialising itself to ween away from Russian energy. The continent buys LNG from the US, You're acting as if crashed European economies are any help whatsoever to either the US or Ukraine either financially, militarily or as partners.

With you sanctioning Canada, the UK/EU might be able to buy that oil from them, but that'll take time to get the tankers ready, and it sure as hell isn't anywhere near a pipelines volume.

Curiously, companies like Volkswagen and Opel are trending down, while companies like Rheinmetall is climbing fast.

The EU buys some LNG from the USA, but it also buys a lot from Qatar and from Northern Africa, such as Algeria and Morocco.
From Qatar, it comes in ships. But from North Africa, it comes in the Maghreb pipeline.
This is why EU southern countries such as Spain, have one of the economies with the biggest GDP growth in the world.
At this rate, Spain might become a very important intermediate for supplying natural gas to northern Europe.
Also, France has made huge bets in nuclear power, and that is why they are self reliant in terms of energy. To the point of selling to Germany.

The EU is readjusting it's energy policy, after the major screw up that was putting most of it's eggs on Russian supply.
We can only hope they don't repeat the idiotic policy of choosing only one supplier.
Not even China is dumb enough to make itself dependent only on Russia, even with discounted gas and oil.

 

[AJUMP23]

I agree. Russia is small potatoes. Why even bother to finish dealing with that war when we can have China talking about war this week?

Edit: actually I just read that China increased their military spending by 7%. I hate being right.

I think China really wants to own Taiwan, and they don't like that there is sovereignty there. I think the one china policy can only last so much longer and the US has a defense treaty with Taiwan so it could blow up if anything happens.

You can do multiple things as a leader, you can help end a war in one part of Asia, and make sure you don't start a war in another part.

One thing Europe, or at least Germany can start doing is refurbishing a ton of American bases for EU forces. I don't think we really want Germany building up their army again. They always try to attack the world.

 

[Hari Seldon]

I think China really wants to own Taiwan, and they don't like that there is sovereignty there. I think the one china policy can only last so much longer and the US has a defense treaty with Taiwan so it could blow up if anything happens.

You can do multiple things as a leader, you can help end a war in one part of Asia, and make sure you don't start a war in another part.

One thing Europe, or at least Germany can start doing is refurbishing a ton of American bases for EU forces. I don't think we really want Germany building up their army again. They always try to attack the world.

The US does not have a defense treaty with Taiwan. The official policy going back to 1979 is strategic ambiguity. Biden actually was a lot more hawkish on Taiwan, which increased tensions, but to be fair who knows that the intelligence was saying. I highly doubt any US president would fight a world war over Taiwan.

 

[jason10mm]

I think China really wants to own Taiwan, and they don't like that there is sovereignty there. I think the one china policy can only last so much longer and the US has a defense treaty with Taiwan so it could blow up if anything happens.

I'm curious if the average Chinese person gives two shits about Taiwan or if it's really just the ruling CCP members and specifically Jinping himself. How much "restoring old glory" is there versus an actual strategic advantage (semi-conductors aside). It's not like Taiwan represents some extrinsic threat to Chinese sovereignty. I've known a few Taiwanese folks and they don't seem to sweat China at all. I suppose the close alliance with the US and close proximity to China itself will always make Taiwan a strategic threat, much like the Soviets working with Cuba. Easy enough to base naval assets there and then turn off maritime trade in China, which they are extremely dependent on. All them fishing ships down by Argentina as well. Hell, that might be the flashpoint, not Taiwan.

 

[BlackTron]

I think China really wants to own Taiwan, and they don't like that there is sovereignty there. I think the one china policy can only last so much longer and the US has a defense treaty with Taiwan so it could blow up if anything happens.

You can do multiple things as a leader, you can help end a war in one part of Asia, and make sure you don't start a war in another part.

One thing Europe, or at least Germany can start doing is refurbishing a ton of American bases for EU forces. I don't think we really want Germany building up their army again. They always try to attack the world.

So Trump just did China a favor offering them the narrative of sparking a tariff war that can escalate in stages to all kinds of different other wars.

Too late on Germany. They're rearming.

It's all a very successful plot to press the reset button, or the most bungling series of strategic missteps I can fathom.

 

[EviLore]

I'm curious if the average Chinese person gives two shits about Taiwan or if it's really just the ruling CCP members and specifically Jinping himself. How much "restoring old glory" is there versus an actual strategic advantage (semi-conductors aside). It's not like Taiwan represents some extrinsic threat to Chinese sovereignty. I've known a few Taiwanese folks and they don't seem to sweat China at all. I suppose the close alliance with the US and close proximity to China itself will always make Taiwan a strategic threat, much like the Soviets working with Cuba. Easy enough to base naval assets there and then turn off maritime trade in China, which they are extremely dependent on. All them fishing ships down by Argentina as well. Hell, that might be the flashpoint, not Taiwan.

Average person in mainland China has no freedom of thought and strong incentives to support CCP narratives. You can't really view it from a Western lens.

Within the West, many Chinese nationals are financially supported by the CCP in order to do their graduate studies and relocate, so you won't find much pro-Taiwan sentiment.

Taiwanese people of course care about their independence and sovereignty.

 

[ScHlAuChi]

Trump warned the EU about this in 2018. Obvious the realities of modern energy demands set up these issues and Germany for sure made the switch AWAY from nuclear at the wrong time. France should have been the model for these major, stable, countries and I would bet ANYTHING that if Germany was 70% nukes like France, you'd see a very different EU response to Russia in the Ukraine. Had these countries moved in 2018 like they have been since 2022, away from russian sources, seems highly unlikely the attack would have unfolded like it did.

I´m sorry, but you have no clue what you are talking about.
In 2018 when Germany still had the nuclear reactors running, it was 12% of the total energy production.
A few of those reactors had to be shutdown anyway due to age or alternatively recertifiy them for a shitton of money.
So by 2022 nuclear power generation went down to 6%.

So why didnt Germany build new plants then? Heres a few facts:

- New reactors take roughly 15-20 years before they actually produce power!
Hinkley Point C - Build Begin 2017 - expected to be finished by 2031 (very unlikely) - Build Cost so far: 50£b
Olkiluoto Nuclear Power Plant Unit 3 - Build Begin 2005 - First energy production 2023 - Build Cost: 11€b
Olkiluoto Nuclear Power Plant Unit 4 - cancelled for not being economicly viable
- In May 2022 more than half of France´s nuclear power plants had to be shut down due to rivers being too warm to use for cooling.
Instead France had to import a shitton of renewable energy from Germany.
- Where is all the nuclear fuel rods coming from? Russia is pretty much the only country to mass produce them!
- Who builds all those nuclear power plants? In 2022 Russia was the ONLY country that still built them in other countries!
- According to the recent World Nuclear Report, Nuclear Power is by far the most expensive power and not economicly viable:

World Nuclear Industry Status Report 2024

The World Nuclear Industry Status Report 2024 (WNISR2024) assesses on 513 pages the status and trends of the international nuclear industry. It provides a comprehensive overview of nuclear power plant data, including information on operation, production, fleet age, and construction. The WNISR...

www.worldnuclearreport.org

So how exactly would building new ones have helped the situation now?
Trading one dependency from Russia - gas - for another - nuclear fuel - doesnt make alot of sense!

 

[jason10mm]

Average person in mainland China has no freedom of thought and strong incentives to support CCP narratives. You can't really view it from a Western lens.

Within the West, many Chinese nationals are financially supported by the CCP in order to do their graduate studies and relocate, so you won't find much pro-Taiwan sentiment.

Oh, for sure. Had a former Red Army officer as a grad student once, I'm sure I made "the list" for my comments about the Chinese government when she filed reports back home

Taiwanese people of course care about their independence and sovereignty.

They do, and it isn't framed as "once we get reunify with mainland China". They seem pretty content being just an island nation . If mainland China would just recognize Taiwan as it's own country, I think that whole area would defuse significantly and the US would pull waaaay back, which makes supporting Taiwan less of an issue for us and less of a threat to China.

 

[poppabk]

Population dense areas usually vote one way. This was a huge shift. It wasn't just electoral. It was a shift from previous elections.

This is how winning an election works.

Reagan winning 49 states, 525 electoral college votes and 58.8% of the popular vote is historic.

 

[bundylove]

Interesting to read this as there is many US people who say the exact opposite now that they are living in Europe. Where in Europe did you move from? Cant really relate to anything you wrote here but the taxes. Which I''m quite fine to pay considering what I am getting in return.



ruZZia invaded.

PUtin didnt invade europe . Only the same areas they have their war over for the last 12 plus years. The last one concluded in 2014.

Originally from germany.

Here where i live sales tax is 5 percent. No hst. sales tax over there is 20 something.

What i accomplished here i could never accomplish in europe.

Also unless you live here or in the states you really dont know what freedom actually is. The fact that i can tell the cop to suck my dick and i can call the bitch cop a cunt ans there is notjing they can do about it is fantastic lol

 

[Lunarorbit]

PUtin didnt invade europe . Only the same areas they have their war over for the last 12 plus years. The last one concluded in 2014.

Originally from germany.

Here where i live sales tax is 5 percent. No hst. sales tax over there is 20 something.

What i accomplished here i could never accomplish in europe.

Also unless you live here or in the states you really dont know what freedom actually is. The fact that i can tell the cop to suck my dick and i can call the bitch cop a cunt ans there is notjing they can do about it is fantastic lol

Putin invaded Europe unless you don't know geography.

You've never said shit like that to a cop. Fuck around like that in today's environment and you'll get disturbing the peace on you real fast

 

[RCX]

"The EU" is not a nation.

Let each country define its own defence plans and pay for them themselves.

They already meddle in too many affairs that aren't in their remit. Decisions on war should be kept as far away from the people in Brussels as possible. You can be sure that anyone who takes the money from them will find themselves subject to many many conditions.

Fortunately the Poles already seem to be very uneasy about this. Hope more nations follow.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

But you have money for war? Is earupe again the driving force to start another world war? 2 was not enough?

I keep my stance that WW3 is totally possible but it will be different from what people are thinking of. We have (well almost) all the conditions for the world war at this point. It is quite entertaining topic really.

One thing I am curious of is how EU is going to balance between "union" and "national" governments. Right now the EU bureaucracy (with complicit governments like certain German parties and France) is trying to enforce the total control over nations, but historically Europe has never been unified.

Britain and France have offered boots on the ground for the ceasefire.

The offered them only under the condition that USA will be involved too. It is essentially akin a trap for USA that Trump does not want to step into. UK wants the war in Ukraine to continue - the peace deals that supposed to happen between Ukraine and Russia fell apart every time due to UK involvement. And UK and France want USA troops ("security guarantees" which is Zelensky's talking point is the british talking point really) to be there because in case of any attack (false flag or anything), it will force USA to be directly involved in the conflict. Maintaining military is not cheap and Iraq and Afghanistan demonstrated that there is a limit on how many conflicts you can engage into at the same time. It is just too expensive. Like Israel got 300b in USA support since 1946. Ukraine got 170b in 2 years. That is a lot for 2 years of war.

Yes, there is a significant technological gap. But Russia is willing to sacrifice any amount of its people (and its allies' people) as pawns for little more than the chance at conquest. How many Western Europeans are willing to die in that meatgrinder to protect Eastern Europe? Much of Europe needs a wakeup call about how serious the stakes are in preserving the West.

Yeah. Russian's main advantage has always been treating their own people like shit and if they are lives are becoming worse - people enlist into military out of desperation. Rinse and repeat. With Western Europe a lot of folks fail to understand (even on the west) that not only you need to enlist people into the military (who wants to go to Ukraine and die there really? certainly not migrants), but deaths on the front will cause the immediate backlash (political one) at home. Wars are cool on TV, but even the Ukrainian conflict demonstrated - you had a lot of enthusiasm in the beginning ("Russian attack failed, we will march to Moscow soon") but now? People are tired.

If mainland China would just recognize Taiwan as it's own country,

Which is not going to happen because it is a convenient boogey man for saber-rattling.

 

[ReBurn]

How are we (France) fucked?

Our own submarines? Check.
Our own fighter jets? Check.
Our own aircraft FUCKING carrier? Check.
Own guns? Check. Refuel tanker planes? Check. Howitzers? Check.

On the energy front - 57 operational nuclear reactors

How's your supply of white flags looking?

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

Funny all this talk from assholes here saying 'fuck Europe' etc... when, their now Russian oblast country, was the only one ever to put article 5 in effect and have people from a bunch of these countries die in their wars.

Also these American bases in Europe is also not purely for protection but also to project strength in the middle east you guys fucked up so badly causing Europe to deal with the fallout.

Only a month in this presidency and your president has attacked all your closest allies and now even implied using force to take allied territory. It's pathetic how any of you can cheer for this shit. I even see some idiot above my comment saying Europe will be responsible for ww3??? Yes definitely not Russia.

I thought at least Americans would try and stop this Russian take over of their country because of 'muh 2nd amendement to stop tiranny from the government', but I guess they're as big of a bunch of pussies as the rest of us.

Also, how about them egg prices?

 

[Jinzo Prime]

How's your supply of white flags looking?

 

[RJMacready73]

What? No one wants WW3.

Strong EU armies will work as deterrent.

Better than the White Blue & Red flag currently flying over the whitehouse tbf

 

[bundylove]

Putin invaded Europe unless you don't know geography.

You've never said shit like that to a cop. Fuck around like that in today's environment and you'll get disturbing the peace on you real fast

You do here in canada. The law is on my side. Its called freedom of speech. Its my right.

Let me word this better. Cop stopped me , leaned into my window and i yelled at him take your fucking pig hands of my truck motherfucker.

So he did. Then asks me questions and i say i dont answer questions fuck off. Then he asks do you know why i stopped you? I said i dont answer questions so hurry the fuck up write me your fucking ticket you gloryfied tax collecter ans piss off.
He went back to his car , wrote me the ticket and told me have a nice day.

Buddy i have rights here as i said

 

[RJMacready73]

Yes, there is a significant technological gap. But Russia is willing to sacrifice any amount of its people (and its allies' people) as pawns for little more than the chance at conquest. How many Western Europeans are willing to die in that meatgrinder to protect Eastern Europe? Much of Europe needs a wakeup call about how serious the stakes are in preserving the West.

That's the thing Europeans nor Anericans need to die in that meat grinder, it was all Russians and Ukrainians and the Ukrainians where fighting for a worthy cause and the Russians, well they deserve it and as for the Americans they sided with the Russians in the most black and white conflict ever and for that I along with every other right thinking actual democratic nation will never forget this, Americans need to hang their heads in shame at what the orange monkey has done... You can all joke about the french and surrender but at least they have the balls to stand up to their government, the Russians just got a puppet elected to lead yours

 

[bundylove]

I keep my stance that WW3 is totally possible but it will be different from what people are thinking of. We have (well almost) all the conditions for the world war at this point. It is quite entertaining topic really.

One thing I am curious of is how EU is going to balance between "union" and "national" governments. Right now the EU bureaucracy (with complicit governments like certain German parties and France) is trying to enforce the total control over nations, but historically Europe has never been unified.


The offered them only under the condition that USA will be involved too. It is essentially akin a trap for USA that Trump does not want to step into. UK wants the war in Ukraine to continue - the peace deals that supposed to happen between Ukraine and Russia fell apart every time due to UK involvement. And UK and France want USA troops ("security guarantees" which is Zelensky's talking point is the british talking point really) to be there because in case of any attack (false flag or anything), it will force USA to be directly involved in the conflict. Maintaining military is not cheap and Iraq and Afghanistan demonstrated that there is a limit on how many conflicts you can engage into at the same time. It is just too expensive. Like Israel got 300b in USA support since 1946. Ukraine got 170b in 2 years. That is a lot for 2 years of war.


Yeah. Russian's main advantage has always been treating their own people like shit and if they are lives are becoming worse - people enlist into military out of desperation. Rinse and repeat. With Western Europe a lot of folks fail to understand (even on the west) that not only you need to enlist people into the military (who wants to go to Ukraine and die there really? certainly not migrants), but deaths on the front will cause the immediate backlash (political one) at home. Wars are cool on TV, but even the Ukrainian conflict demonstrated - you had a lot of enthusiasm in the beginning ("Russian attack failed, we will march to Moscow soon") but now? People are tired.


Which is not going to happen because it is a convenient boogey man for saber-rattling.

My problem with the eu shit is plain simple.

Inflation is through the roof. And its cuz of this prolonged war.

The US is not interested anymore and wants to go back to normal.

But the EU is just doubling and tripling down. And somehow they have the money for the war but they would never spend that money on their own people and the economy.

People already eating like shit and cant barely afford rent or mortgage. This should be every goverments priority. And not another year of this nonesense where lets be frank . Who won and what in the last 3 years? Noone and nothing.

This war has to end and by keep pumping money into it it will never.

See trump cut all funding and aid. No money no war. Zelensky is willing to cave. Yet here come england and france saying fuck the states. We will keep funding it. And of course so does our beloved cunt trudope

 

[RJMacready73]

My problem with the eu shit is plain simple.

Inflation is through the roof. And its cuz of this prolonged war.

The US is not interested anymore and wants to go back to normal.

But the EU is just doubling and tripling down. And somehow they have the money for the war but they would never spend that money on their own people and the economy.

People already eating like shit and cant barely afford rent or mortgage. This should be every goverments priority. And not another year of this nonesense where lets be frank . Who won and what in the last 3 years? Noone and nothing.

This war has to end and by keep pumping money into it it will never.

See trump cut all funding and aid. No money no war. Zelensky is willing to cave. Yet here come england and france saying fuck the states. We will keep funding it. And of course so does our beloved cunt trudope

Russian propaganda really did do a number on Americans, punish the victim to appease the perpetrator... Where's your sense of right and wrong?

 

[EviLore]

That's the thing Europeans nor Anericans need to die in that meat grinder, it was all Russians and Ukrainians and the Ukrainians where fighting for a worthy cause and the Russians, well they deserve it and as for the Americans they sided with the Russians in the most black and white conflict ever and for that I along with every other right thinking actual democratic nation will never forget this, Americans need to hang their heads in shame at what the orange monkey has done... You can all joke about the french and surrender but at least they have the balls to stand up to their government, the Russians just got a puppet elected to lead yours

I'm not enthused at all about the current developments but there's an active negotiation taking place. It's the end result that ultimately matters and we don't know quite know it yet. Public opinion has shifted already though.

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

So what do you expect them to do? Just give up their land and forget about all the murdered, rapes, etc??? Bucha? Who gives a shit right. Maybe the US should've just've forgotten about 9/11 or pear harbor???

Ye lets give them all the land they took and return to normal like nothing happened. Lets appease the dictators, that always works so well and we can be sure that THIS time is the one that Putin will keep his word!!

 

[RJMacready73]

I'm not enthused at all about the current developments but there's an active negotiation taking place. It's the end result that ultimately matters and we don't know quite know it yet. Public opinion has shifted already though.

Listen I know half of Americans are actually appalled at what's happened but the other half are so down the Russian rabbit hole us Europeans and the rest of the world are in actual fucking disbelief at what you guys are doing.. your government is actually doing what the Russians want, it's insane

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

My problem with the eu shit is plain simple.

Inflation is through the roof. And its cuz of this prolonged war.

The US is not interested anymore and wants to go back to normal.

But the EU is just doubling and tripling down. And somehow they have the money for the war but they would never spend that money on their own people and the economy.

People already eating like shit and cant barely afford rent or mortgage. This should be every goverments priority. And not another year of this nonesense where lets be frank . Who won and what in the last 3 years? Noone and nothing.

This war has to end and by keep pumping money into it it will never.

See trump cut all funding and aid. No money no war. Zelensky is willing to cave. Yet here come england and france saying fuck the states. We will keep funding it. And of course so does our beloved cunt trudope

Wars allow to improve the GDP (due to military industrial complex) and apply more control over the population. That's the main advantage of wars. Sometimes they are convenient when you want to purge the people you don't like by sending them to the battle.

 

[EviLore]

Listen I know half of Americans are actually appalled at what's happened but the other half are so down the Russian rabbit hole us Europeans and the rest of the world are in actual fucking disbelief at what you guys are doing.. your government is actually doing what the Russians want, it's insane

88% of Americans have a negative view of Putin.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

That's the thing Europeans nor Anericans need to die in that meat grinder, it was all Russians and Ukrainians and the Ukrainians where fighting for a worthy cause and the Russians, well they deserve it and as for the Americans they sided with the Russians in the most black and white conflict ever and for that I along with every other right thinking actual democratic nation will never forget this, Americans need to hang their heads in shame at what the orange monkey has done... You can all joke about the french and surrender but at least they have the balls to stand up to their government, the Russians just got a puppet elected to lead yours

 

[RJMacready73]

Lol M8, there's no stars and stripe anymore..

America is just a vassel of the russian empire

 

[bundylove]

Russian propaganda really did do a number on Americans, punish the victim to appease the perpetrator... Where's your sense of right and wrong?

How bout you ask yourself who won here what the last 3 years and did your every day life got better or worse in the last 3 years?

I live in the real world. Own a company. Probably pay more taxea than you make in a year. And i am hurting ever since as prices went up a lot and i cant really raise much of my pricing cuz fucking china will take my clients.

Russian propagand fuck you talk about? I want to be able to pay normal prices again buddy.

And i am sure most people in the world too.

But tell me more why you call me a russian propagandist cuz all i want is this useless war to end.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

So European leaders saw Trump argue with Zalenskyy, no deal, and finally now they are panicking to spend money for defence because gravy train USA might walk?

Is this the jist of it?

 

[Lunarorbit]

You do here in canada. The law is on my side. Its called freedom of speech. Its my right.

Let me word this better. Cop stopped me , leaned into my window and i yelled at him take your fucking pig hands of my truck motherfucker.

So he did. Then asks me questions and i say i dont answer questions fuck off. Then he asks do you know why i stopped you? I said i dont answer questions so hurry the fuck up write me your fucking ticket you gloryfied tax collecter ans piss off.
He went back to his car , wrote me the ticket and told me have a nice day.

Buddy i have rights here as i said

You literally said they can't do anything but you got a ticket. Ok....

Edit: oh they got banned in the last 16 minutes. Nevermind

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

Maybe the US should've just've forgotten about 9/11 or pear harbor???

Oh, it is a very interesting topic actually. 9/11 should have ended fast instead of turning into a perpetual war though. Pearl Harbor...It was a case of the "orchestrated conflict" by FDR. FDR wanted to join the WW2 but had no justification as american public was not interested in the war. But by applying embargo on Japan, it forced the hand of Japan to attack Pearl Harbor providing the justification for joining the war.

So what do you expect them to do? Just give up their land and forget about all the murdered, rapes, etc??? Bucha? Who gives a shit right. Maybe the US should've just've forgotten about 9/11 or pear harbor???

They can continue fighting to the very last Ukrainian all they want. In the end we can even build them an obelisk in memory. The point is unless european and american forces put their troops on the ground, the war won't end because Ukraine has no resources to win it.

So European leaders saw Trump argue with Zalenskyy, no deal, and finally now they are panicking to spend money for defence because gravy train USA might walk?

Essentially nobody expected Trump to win. Even on the west the expectation was that Harris would win and would continue the gravy train that Biden started. That's all to it.

 

[Kacho]

 

[Lukaku's First Touch]

How bout you ask yourself who won here what the last 3 years and did your every day life got better or worse in the last 3 years?

I live in the real world. Own a company. Probably pay more taxea than you make in a year. And i am hurting ever since as prices went up a lot and i cant really raise much of my pricing cuz fucking china will take my clients.

Russian propagand fuck you talk about? I want to be able to pay normal prices again buddy.

And i am sure most people in the world too.

But tell me more why you call me a russian propagandist cuz all i want is this useless war to end.

So you're saying you don't give a fuck about the Ukrainians suffering and Russian crimes. You just want to make more money.

I own a business too and yes eveything got more expensive and it sucks, but I still believe in being decent and doing what's right which means not strongarming Ukraine to let them be rolled over by a mass murderer war criminal.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Lol M8, there's no stars and stripe anymore..

America is just a vassel of the russian empire

No he is correct and Europeans don't fully grasp this. While Europeans spend all day talking to Americans on American websites in English, consuming American media, reading American news… Americans do not do the the reciprocal. There is no more cultural or religious ties to Europe. So instead of bashing Americans which will simply not work, Europeans need to do some marketing. Explain to the black dude in the rust belt why he should give a fuck about Europe.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

I own a business too and yes eveything got more expensive and it sucks, but I still believe in being decent and doing what's right which means not strongarming Ukraine to let them be rolled over by a mass murderer war criminal.

You can die with decency but you can't put it on the bread. And while talking about decency...What about all those wars in Africa? Does anybody cry about them? They are not even being reported And people are dying there too.

No he is correct and Europeans don't fully grasp this. While Europeans spend all day talking to Americans on American websites in English, consuming American media, reading American news… Americans do not do the the reciprocal. There is no more cultural or religious ties to Europe. So instead of bashing Americans which will simply not work, Europeans need to do some marketing. Explain to the black dude in the rust belt why he should give a fuck about Europe.

And it makes sense because even explaining it hard as you have central, northern, eastern, southern europe. And all those different nations there with their own cultures, governments, news etc. It is like this joke about americans visiting Europe meaning visiting France, Italy, Spain, UK.

Also before preaching to Americans about morality, Europeans should stop buying russian resources. Did they stop when Russia took over Crimea? No.

 

[BlackTron]

88% of Americans have a negative view of Putin.

Yet much more than 12% are cool with Trump being a Putin puppet. But we can bandaid that with a little cognitive dissonance and double think

 

[NickFire]

Lol M8, there's no stars and stripe anymore..

America is just a vassel of the russian empire

Kind of a harsh take. Believe it or not there's a ton of Americans who think the Russian government is abhorrent but who are tired of paying for someone else's war. That hardly qualifies as supporting Russia.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

You can die with decency but you can't put it on the bread. And while talking about decency...What about all those wars in Africa? Does anybody cry about them? They are not even being reported And people are dying there too.

Whataboutism isn't a compelling argument.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Yet much more than 12% are cool with Trump being a Putin puppet. But we can bandaid that with a little cognitive dissonance and double think

Maybe. I'd say that most people in the US simply don't care either way. We have a saying in the tech industry, "Your P0 is not my P0". Americans are prioritizing domestic issues and the culture war far more than international issues. (To be clear I think this is stupid and we should maintain our alliances... but it is the reality of the situation)

 

[BlackTron]

Maybe. I'd say that most people in the US simply don't care either way. We have a saying in the tech industry, "Your P0 is not my P0". Americans are prioritizing domestic issues and the culture war far more than international issues. (To be clear I think this is stupid and we should maintain our alliances... but it is the reality of the situation)

Our President parroting every Kremlin talking point isn't indicative of a domestic issue?