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[RetroGamingUK]

I'm talking about these hardcore fanboys, who want Xbox to fail. Nobody said you had to prefer Xbox/AMD. But actively wishing they'd die, is retarded.
You know what happened when Sony had comp from Xbox? We got the PS4 and the 2nd half of the PS3. I want that back. Both sides actively pushing one another, so we get great games and hardware.


"Well SIE, we did it, we defeated Xbox, what do we get"?

You guys really need to move on from 2006

Those days are long gone, you lost, let go, it’s over.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

I'm talking about these hardcore fanboys, who want Xbox to fail. Nobody said you had to prefer Xbox/AMD. But actively wishing they'd die, is retarded.
You know what happened when Sony had comp from Xbox? We got the PS4 and the 2nd half of the PS3. I want that back. Both sides actively pushing one another, so we get great games and hardware.


"Well SIE, we did it, we defeated Xbox, what do we get"?

Why do you actually think Sony no longer has competition? When did Nintendo and steam die?.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Why do you actually like Sony no longer has competition? When did Nintendo and steam die?.

I thought Nintendo was "doing their own thing". And I thought PC's were all too expensive for most people. How could this be?

 

[GHG]

I'm talking about these hardcore fanboys, who want Xbox to fail. Nobody said you had to prefer Xbox/AMD. But actively wishing they'd die, is retarded.
You know what happened when Sony had comp from Xbox? We got the PS4 and the 2nd half of the PS3. I want that back. Both sides actively pushing one another, so we get great games and hardware.


"Well SIE, we did it, we defeated Xbox, what do we get"?

If that's what you want then why are you drawing nonsensical parallels to the discrete GPU market?

How worried are you about the competition these days, right? But you're only worried about Playstation for whatever reason xDD.

The same people who have started to parrot statements such as "consoles are dying" and "everyone should move to PC" by the way.

If there's about to be no competition then how are consoles going to die and how will people move over to a device that is supposed to not be in competition?

 

[XXL]

Xbox Series X is better than the PS5 in specs, connectivity, functionality, services, software, etc..

If this was true, they wouldn’t be getting outsold 5:1, while putting all of their games on PS5.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Xbox Series X is better than the PS5 in specs, connectivity, functionality, services, software, etc..

How is it better in connectivity, functionality, software (), services, “etc”? And that you would say this with the Pro out there is not only laughable, but truly exposes that you are another GAF parody.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

If that's what you want then why are you drawing nonsensical parallels to the discrete GPU market?



The same people who have started to parrot statements such as "consoles are dying" and "everyone should move to PC" by the way.

If there's about to be no competition then how are consoles going to die and how will people move over to a device that is supposed to not be in competition?

Lol what? If there's only one option for powerful home consoles, where are console gamers going to go? Don't you guys say Nintendo is its own niche, and PC's are all like 90000 dollars?


Because it's literally what Nvidia fanboys did for years. They hoped AMD would leave the GPU market. Now we all suffer for it. I'm just saying, be careful what you wish for.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Because it's literally what Nvidia fanboys did for years. They hoped AMD would leave the GPU market.

They did?

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

They did?

They left the high end GPU market, yes. They are no longer trying to compete with Nvidia in flagship level cards.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

I thought Nintendo was "doing their own thing". And I thought PC's were all too expensive for most people. How could this be?

When did I say that do tell me. Also, again, tell me how is Nintendo and pc not competition

 

[HeWhoWalks]

They left the high end GPU market, yes. They are no longer trying to compete with Nvidia in flagship level cards.

No. Show me the “fanboys” saying that.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

When did I say that do tell me. Also, again, tell me how is Nintendo and pc not competition

Xbox and Playstation are the powerful home console makers. Nintendo makes cheap hardware, that doesn't have the same performance as Xbox and PS consoles. And PC gaming isn't the same market as consoles. Because some people are intimdated by PC's and some perfer simplicity. So again, PS direct comp is Xbox. Because they compete in the powerful home console space.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Xbox and Playstation are the powerful home console makers. Nintendo makes cheap hardware, that doesn't have the same performance as Xbox and PS consoles. And PC gaming isn't the same market as consoles. Because some people are intimdated by PC's and some perfer simplicity. So again, PS direct comp is Xbox. Because they compete in the powerful home console space.

I wouldn’t call Series X powerful by today’s standards, and no they don’t compete.

While PlayStation, Switch and PC don’t directly compete, they still compete and any failure will see customers move to another platform.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

I wouldn’t call Series X powerful by today’s standards

While PlayStation, Switch and PC don’t directly compete, they still compete and any failure will see customers move to another platform.

So I take it, you'd also not call the base PS5 powerful.




And thanks for admitting they don't directly compete.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Xbox and Playstation are the powerful home console makers. Nintendo makes cheap hardware, that doesn't have the same performance as Xbox and PS consoles. And PC gaming isn't the same market as consoles. Because some people are intimdated by PC's and some perfer simplicity. So again, PS direct comp is Xbox. Because they compete in the powerful home console space.

At the very core all of them are places wherein you play video games. They share almost all the same games( especially pc and Sony). They compete for my time, money and mindsgare. They are all part of the same market. You could categorise them as "high power console" or "hybrid console", they are still competitors. There is a reason why when we talk about market share we do consider all of them.

On one hand people say that consoles( especially Sony) is dying because people are moving to pc or switch. On the other hand, somehow both of them aren't competition to Sony? How does that make sense.

 

[XXL]

PS direct comp is Xbox. Because they compete in the powerful home console space.

It's like you want competition
...but don't want to accept the results of the competition.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

At the very core all of them are places wherein you play video games. They share almost all the same games( especially pc and Sony). They compete for my time, money and mindsgare. They are all part of the same market. You could categorise them as "high power console" or "hybrid console", they are still competitors. There is a reason why when we talk about market share we do consider all of them.

On one hand people say that consoles( especially Sony) is dying because people are moving to pc or switch. On the other hand, somehow both of them aren't competition to Sony? How does that make sense.

Because they aren't the same market, dude. Nintendo offers cheap, portable gaming, with less focus on graphics. Xbox and Playstation offer high powered home consoles. And PC gaming is totally different than consoles. Different markets.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

It's like you want competition
...but don't want to accept the results of the competition.

My whole point is saying fanboys who want the other "side" to die off, are idiots.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

So I take it, you'd also not call the base PS5 powerful.




And thanks for admitting they don't directly compete.

Not really, it’s mid by today’s stand.

Switch is very low end, but that’s being replaced in a couple of months.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Not really, it’s mid by today’s stand.

Switch is very low end, but that’s being replaced in a couple of months.

I agree with you.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Because they aren't the same market, dude. Nintendo offers cheap, portable gaming, with less focus on graphics. Xbox and Playstation offer high powered home consoles. And PC gaming is totally different than consoles. Different markets.

They are. NPD, the UK equivalent of it, everyone sees them as competition. Sony seems them as competitionand vice verse.

They all play almost all of the same games, each with their own advantage and disadvantage. How is that not the defination of competition?. They are all part of the gaming market( some even consider phones as competitors) and compete for time and money. If I don't like Sony, I can move to Nintendo or pc and not lose out much. Vice versa as well.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

They are. NPD, the UK equivalent of it, everyone sees them as competition. Sony seems them as competitionand vice verse.

They all play almost all of the same games, each with their own advantage and disadvantage. How is that not the defination of competition?. They are all part of the gaming market( some even consider phones as competitors) and compete for time and money. If I don't like Sony, I can move to Nintendo or pc and not lose out much. Vice versa as well.

Sure, YOU can. But not everyone wants a hybrid console, or a gaming PC. They want a powerful, traditional, home console. That's their market. And who offers that? Xbox and Playstation.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Sure, YOU can. But not everyone wants a hybrid console, or a gaming PC. They want a powerful, traditional, home console. That's their market. And who offers that? Xbox and Playstation.

Where’s the powerful Xbox?

No console mid way through its lifespan can be called powerful, that’s always been the case.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Where’s the powerful Xbox?

No console mid way through its lifespan can be called powerful, that’s always been the case.

What? Is the series X more powerful than the switch, yes or no?

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Sure, YOU can. But not everyone wants a hybrid console, or a gaming PC. They want a powerful, traditional, home console. That's their market. And who offers that? Xbox and Playstation.

If the ps6 is overpriced, do you think it will sell as well as the ps5?. Obviously not.

What about the people who won't buy the ps6, will they stop playing games? No. They will switch to switch 2 or pc. Why? Because they exist and are competitors.

There is a reason why some people switch from consoles to pc, or pc to consoles. From ps to Nintendo, or vice versa. Because they are competitors. They all do the same job, allow users to play games. More often than not, the same games. Each has their own advantage or disadvantage. How is that not a competitive market?.

 

[XXL]

My whole point is saying fanboys who want the other "side" to die off, are idiots.

Who gives a shit what the hardcore fanboys think or say about it?

If you want to angry with anyone, be angry with Xbox for starting to give up.

Imo (and it's controversial) but I think Xbox stopping making hardware will be good for the industry and for Xbox as a publisher.

I think the markets have been decided.

Playstation - Home Consoles
Nintendo - Handhelds
Steam - PC

I don't see anyone (even each other) eclipsing anyone in those fields any time soon.

I also think developers are developing for too many SKUs right now and this might streamline development somewhat.

I think MS is in a good position to supply these manufacturers with software and their spec targets will allow them to stagnate releases....as Nintendo is generally a generation behind.

I would also argue Nintendo and Steam have had more of a monopoly than Playstation over the years and it hasn't had any new negative effect on those platforms.

 

[Little Chicken]

How is it better in connectivity, functionality, software (), services, “etc”? And that you would say this with the Pro out there is not only laughable, but truly exposes that you are another GAF parody.

I said "PS5" not "PS5 Pro", which launched 4 years after the PS5 did.

Connectivity: Seamless play anywhere and cloud implementation.

Functionality: Seamless play anywhere and cloud implementation, can emulate almost every console ever. Better, more customizable UI.

Software: Speaks for itself, the mask slipped when MS announced PS releases and the port begging hasn't stopped.

Services: Game Pass.

etc: It's just a better designed console. I'm sorry that you're unable to function with any form of objectivity.

And ME a "GAF parody"? The irony.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

If the ps6 is overpriced, do you think it will sell as well as the ps5?. Obviously not.

What about the people who won't buy the ps6, will they stop playing games? No. They will switch to switch 2 or pc. Why? Because they exist and are competitors.

There is a reason why some people switch from consoles to pc, or pc to consoles. From ps to Nintendo, or vice versa. Because they are competitors. They all do the same job, allow users to play games. More often than not, the same games. Each has their own advantage or disadvantage. How is that not a competitive market?.

Or they'll stick to their PS5's. Like people are sticking to their PS4's.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Or they'll stick to their PS5's. Like people are sticking to their PS4's.

Some people always stick with their old consoles. Do you deny that there are people switching from ps to pc, or vice versa?

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Who gives a shit what the hardcore fanboys think or say about it?

If you want to angry with anyone, be angry with Xbox for starting to give up.

Imo (and it's controversial) but I think Xbox stopping making hardware will be good for the industry and for Xbox as a publisher.

I think the markets have been decided.

Playstation - Home Consoles
Nintendo - Handhelds
Steam - PC

I don't see anyone (even each other) eclipsing anyone in those fields any time soon.

I also think developers are developing for too many SKUs right now and this might streamline development somewhat.

I think MS is in a good position to supply these manufacturers with software and their spec targets will allow them to stagnate releases....as Nintendo is generally a generation behind.

I would also argue Nintendo and Steam have had more of a monopoly than Playstation over the years and it hasn't had any new negative effect on those platforms.

Dude, I'm not a Xbox fanboy. They have sucked ass since about 2012. And have totally allowed Phil Spencer to run the brand into the floor. My favorite console is just the 360. I just see hardcore sony fanboys on this website hyping up Xbox dying like it's a "W".

 

[GHG]

Lol what? If there's only one option for powerful home consoles, where are console gamers going to go? Don't you guys say Nintendo is its own niche, and PC's are all like 90000 dollars?

Why don't you ask all your brethren who have spent the best part of the last 6 months attempting to fabricate this "console (PS5/pro) vs PC" war then?

If you think people have nowhere to go then why has there been a coordinated and concerted effort from Xbox and their media/influencer/ambassador lackeys to attempt to paint PC as the future of gaming while stating consoles will be a thing of the past?

Because it's literally what Nvidia fanboys did for years. They hoped AMD would leave the GPU market. Now we all suffer for it. I'm just saying, be careful what you wish for.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Here are some facts:

• GPU prices have risen linearly across all vendors since covid (the trend actually began a couple of years prior, but covid was an accelerant, so let's start there).
• The reason for this - there are limited places where chips get fabricated, and the demand for chips has gone through the roof in recent years owing to the fact that pretty much every electronic device has some superfluous chip in it - everything from cars, to fridges, to light bulbs.
• The likes of TSMC have limited capacity, as a result anyone who wants chips to be made by them need to compete for said capacity. That, combined with the ever increasing demand for smaller process nodes, has resulted in TSMC being able to raise their prices.
  
• What this has resulted in is represented by a largely linear price/performance ratio across Nvidia and AMD GPU's over the last 2/3 generations of releases, where more performance comes at a cost in near linear fashion - something which I pointed out in 2023.
  

So in summary, you're talking about things you clearly don't understand and to top it off you're pointing your finger in the wrong places.

Unfortunately at this point it's preety much par for the course when it comes to individuals who such as yourself who are willing to throw yourself in to the proverbial fire for a business who are out here attempting to sell the Series S for $350 in 2025.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Some people always stick with their old consoles. Do you deny that there are people switching from ps to pc, or vice versa?

Sure, but even sony's CEO said PC isn't "parasiting" PS console sales.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

I said "PS5" not "PS5 Pro", which launched 4 years after the PS5 did.

Connectivity: Seamless play anywhere and cloud implementation.

Functionality: Seamless play anywhere and cloud implementation, can emulate almost every console ever. Better, more customizable UI.

Software: Speaks for itself, the mask slipped when MS announced PS releases and the port begging hasn't stopped.

Services: Game Pass.

etc: It's just a better designed console. I'm sorry that you're unable to function with any form of objectivity.

And ME a "GAF parody"? The irony.

I know what you said, genius. I made that clear in the post.

The rest of that? “Trust me bro”. Yeah, I thought so. Yes, a parody.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

What? Is the series X more powerful than the switch, yes or no?

Yes, and? That’s not saying much now is it.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Why don't you ask all your brethren who have spent the best part of the last 6 months attempting to fabricate this "console (PS5/pro) vs PC" war then?

If you think people have nowhere to go then why has there been a coordinated and concerted effort from Xbox and their media/influencer/ambassador lackeys to attempt to paint PC as the future of gaming while stating consoles will be a thing of the past?



You have no idea what you're talking about. Here are some facts:

• GPU prices have risen linearly across all vendors since covid (the trend actually began a couple of years prior, but covid was an accelerant, so let's start there).
• The reason for this - there are limited places where chips get fabricated, and the demand for chips has gone through the roof in recent years owing to the fact that pretty much every electronic device has some superfluous chip in it - everything from cars, to fridges, to light bulbs.
• The likes of TSMC have limited capacity, as a result anyone who wants chips to be made by them need to compete for said capacity. That, combined with the ever increasing demand for smaller process nodes, has resulted in TSMC being able to raise their prices.
  
• What this has resulted in is represented by a largely linear price/performance ratio across Nvidia and AMD GPU's over the last 2/3 generations of releases, where more performance comes at a cost in linear fashion - something which I pointed out in 2023.
  

So in summary, you're talking about things you clearly don't understand and to top it off you're pointing your finger in the wrong places.

Unfortunately at this point it's preety much par for the course when it comes to individuals who such as yourself who are willing to throw yourself in to the proverbial fire for a business who are out here attempting to sell the Series S for $350 in 2025.

Imagine being this much of a platform warrior, you think I'm an Xbox fanboy because my name is my favorite console? Lol I bet you're 40 to 50 years old too is the funny part. PC is the future of gaming, though. Not sure what the hell Xbox has to do with that? Secret Xbox cabal is making the PC market more profitiable than the console market? Is Phil Spencer making steam hit 40m active users? What? Lol, cmon man. The console market is the same 30/40/50 year olds who bought PS3s and PS2s. Kids are heading to PC or mobile. Or cheap handhelds like the switch. Even Japan, who started console gaming, is mostly mobile nowadays and PC is growing at a fast pace.

 

[fart town usa]

I mean, let this be a lesson that anyone can make a comeback from disaster.

Spoiler

but I wouldn’t hold my breath with Microsoft

Yea, I honestly just posted it for the sake of posting an image of the WiiU, lol.
I didn't even consider the Series S/X being equivalent to the WiiU sales but I guess it is kinda similar in a sense. Sorry greenrats.

 

[GHG]

Imagine being this much of a platform warrior, you think I'm an Xbox fanboy because my name is my favorite console? Lol I bet you're 40 to 50 years old too is the funny part. PC is the future of gaming, though. Not sure what the hell Xbox has to do with that? Secret Xbox cabal is making the PC market more profitiable than the console market? Is Phil Spencer making steam hit 40m active users? What? Lol, cmon man. The console market is the same 30/40/50 year olds who bought PS3s and PS2s. Kids are heading to PC or mobile. Or cheap handhelds like the switch.

Sorry to disappoint you but I'm nowhere near as old as Topher

But what's typical (and amusing) here is that now that your musings have been made to look foolish you've reverted to factory settings. Not fooling anyone here my dear.

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Sure, but even sony's CEO said PC isn't "parasiting" PS console sales.

You say pc isn't competition yet you also say that ps is going to die because people will move to pc. How the heck is pc not competition. Also Sony's ceo said that they are trying to entice pc players to console. Considering that 30% of ps5's userbase never owned a ps console before, I think they meeting that goal.

Imagine being this much of a platform warrior, you think I'm an Xbox fanboy because my name is my favorite console? Lol I bet you're 40 to 50 years old too is the funny part. PC is the future of gaming, though. Not sure what the hell Xbox has to do with that? Secret Xbox cabal is making the PC market more profitiable than the console market? Is Phil Spencer making steam hit 40m active users? What? Lol, cmon man. The console market is the same 30/40/50 year olds who bought PS3s and PS2s. Kids are heading to PC or mobile. Or cheap handhelds like the switch. Even Japan, who started console gaming, is mostly mobile nowadays and PC is growing at a fast pace.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

You say pc isn't competition yet you also say that ps is going to die because people will move to pc. How the heck is pc not competition. Also Sony's ceo said that they are trying to entice pc players to console. Considering that 30% of ps5's userbase never owned a ps console before, I think they meeting that goal.

Sony's own CEO said PC isn't taking PS players. What else do you need to hear. Don't you guys take their word as gospel?

 

[XXL]

I'm sorry that you're unable to function with any form of objectivity.

The Xbox Series consoles are getting outsold 5 to 1, while having the most inexpensive product available (Series S) while alot or people are struggling financially, giving away games for free (including COD) and are putting their games on PS5.

No one wants it.

You're the one not looking at it objectively.

You're living in a fantasy land.

 

[drganon]

Imagine being this much of a platform warrior, you think I'm an Xbox fanboy because my name is my favorite console? Lol I bet you're 40 to 50 years old too is the funny part. PC is the future of gaming, though. Not sure what the hell Xbox has to do with that? Secret Xbox cabal is making the PC market more profitiable than the console market? Is Phil Spencer making steam hit 40m active users? What? Lol, cmon man. The console market is the same 30/40/50 year olds who bought PS3s and PS2s. Kids are heading to PC or mobile. Or cheap handhelds like the switch. Even Japan, who started console gaming, is mostly mobile nowadays and PC is growing at a fast pace.

Written by RetardChatGpt.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Written by RetardChatGpt.

Weeb

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Sony's own CEO said PC isn't taking PS players. What else do you need to hear. Don't you guys take their word as gospel?

Let's discuss that qoute

PlayStation Facing No Threat Of Users Switching To PC, Says Sony

PlayStation does not see PC gaming as a current threat to its console sales despite releasing first-party offerings on the platform.

tech4gamers.com

No current threat of switching to pc. Where did they say that pc is not a competition. Also the same article mentions. That they are trying to entice pc players to consoles. Why do you think the concern was raised by shareholders? Why do you think they are trying to entice another platforms users?. Because pc and ps are competitors who are fighting over the same userbase. That qoute only proved my point.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

Let's discuss that qoute

PlayStation Facing No Threat Of Users Switching To PC, Says Sony

PlayStation does not see PC gaming as a current threat to its console sales despite releasing first-party offerings on the platform.

tech4gamers.com

No current threat of switching to pc. Where did they say that pc is not a competition. Also the same article mentions. That they are trying to entice pc players to consoles. Why do you think the concern was raised by shareholders? Why do you think they are trying to entice another platforms users?. Because pc and ps are competitors who are fighting over the same userbase. That qoute only proved my point.

Dude, we are literally talking in circles here, lmfao

 

[Insanemaelstrom]

Dude, we are literally talking in circles here, lmfao

Yeah, we can agree to disagree.

 

[Little Chicken]

I know what you said, genius. I made that clear in the post.

The rest of that? “Trust me bro”. Yeah, I thought so. Yes, a parody.

Trust isn't needed, facts speak for themselves.

 

[Little Chicken]

The Xbox Series consoles are getting outsold 5 to 1, while having the most inexpensive product available (Series S) while alot or people are struggling financially, giving away games for free (including COD) and are putting their games on PS5.

No one wants it.

You're the one not looking at it objectively.

You're living in a fantasy land.

Nowhere in my post did I mention sales.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Trust isn't needed, facts speak for themselves.

They do. PS5 beat the Series consoles, despite what Little Chicken tells himself.

 

[drganon]

And me "GAF parody"? The irony.

YES, you. You're a cringy dipshit everyone makes fun of.

 

[Little Chicken]

They do. PS5 beat the Series consoles, despite what Little Chicken tells himself.

I didn't insinuate otherwise, nor did I even mention it.

Wow the rush to "but sales!" is really strong in la familia huh