IGN: PS5 is outselling Xbox Series X/S 5:1

GHG

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Little Chicken Little Chicken really went to the streets and called for backup.

 

HeWhoWalks

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Ok, I named myself after my favorite console, you've been shilling for a japanese conglomerate for a decade. I guess we all have our flaws.
Thus, your flaws are 1:1 with others’ flaws? 😂

I get that your feelings were hurt because you were questioned (and continue to ignore said question), but admitting to being a hypocrite while doing so remains the perfect comedic cue.
 
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Thus, your flaws are 1:1 with others’ flaws? 😂

I get that your feelings were hurt because you were questioned (and continue to ignore said question), but admitting to being a hypocrite while doing so continues to be the perfect comedic cue.
Don't forget to put your PS logo snapback on, before you head out, pimp. And no, I'm not digging through r/nvidia posts to show you.

I named myself after my favorite CONSOLE. Not my favorite company. Unlike you, not 1:1 at all.
 
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Little Chicken

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I get that, but why did your opinion of it matter in the face of a 5:1 unit discrepancy? You presented things that were arguable in the face of a fact. That was the point.
It was in response to this diabolical comment:

The reality is they should have offered a better product for the last 20 years.

And I guess that snowballed into me being correct :messenger_sunglasses:
 

yurinka

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Let's discuss that qoute
No current threat of switching to pc. Where did they say that pc is not a competition. Also the same article mentions. That they are trying to entice pc players to consoles. Why do you think the concern was raised by shareholders? Why do you think they are trying to entice another platforms users?. Because pc and ps are competitors who are fighting over the same userbase. That qoute only proved my point.
Nishino, Hermen and Totoki mentioned that PC isn't causing cannibalization, but instead is helping them to grow and see it as a growth opportunity. The shareholder or journalist who asked about it pretty likely wasn't aware of the related metrics that explain it:

Having record PS MAU proves their userbase is growing, so they aren't losing users. They also shown that over 40% of PS5 purchasers are new to PS.

Jim Ryan mentioned when talking about their GaaS push (which includes PC as an important part of it) that they expected that it was going to help them double their first party revenue from March 2021 to March 2026. They apparently are achieving that a year before scheduled, even if some of these dozen GaaS will be released later than originally planned and some of them will be released after March 2026, the original deadline they had for them.

They also mentioned that are expanding to PC (and in the future mobile too) mainly to reach a way bigger market where there are a ton of players who never would buy a console (specially in strategical countries like China or Korea), so they plan to monetize these players there. Their main goal with expanding to PC or mobile isn't to convert all these players to consoles even if a small part of them do. Their strategy is to make more money by reaching more players.
 
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The console brand you first played as a kid in 1995, "won".

You got ridiculed for this, and I agree for the most part.

However you’re onto something, to an extent.

We are going through a HUGE 90s nostalgia boom at the moment as millennials hit a mid-life crisis and have disposable incomez

Just look at how many remakes we’re seeing of PS1 games right now, 90s boy bands are reforming and we’ve got new movies based on 90s franchises too.

Xbox will never see nostalgia bumps of this magnitude, PlayStation will have many more to come over the decades.

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Felessan

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My whole point is saying fanboys who want the other "side" to die off, are idiots.
Me wants MS console business to die, it creates more harm than good, and MS long overstayed in this business
People who only know how to sprout "competiotion this, competition that" are idiots. Who don't know how discern healthy competition from unhealthy one (and MS is notorious in trying to push unhealthy one any time it enters the market). What is long term consequences of price wars even though it so lucrative for consumers "right now" etc. There is no free lunch - high competition has it pros, in the same time it has it's own cons.
 
What do you suggest?

Everyone needs to run out and buy an Xbox because they feel bad for them?

Its like you're trying to shame people into supporting them.

This is so pathetic...it's not even fucking funny.

The reality is they should have offered a better product for the last 20 years.

They didn't.
When you quote stuff you should write something that has anything to do with what you quoted instead of some insanely stupid rambling about imaginary things
 
Me wants MS console business to die, it creates more harm than good, and MS long overstayed in this business
People who only know how to sprout "competiotion this, competition that" are idiots. Who don't know how discern healthy competition from unhealthy one (and MS is notorious in trying to push unhealthy one any time it enters the market). What is long term consequences of price wars even though it so lucrative for consumers "right now" etc. There is no free lunch - high competition has it pros, in the same time it has it's own cons.

Who should take their place?

Is there actually a place at all?
 
Yes. Xbox failed because they suck, stop making excuses for their failures. And this includes the false narrative that no one else could do better.

Oh I’m not, they’ve shat the bed so many times and it’s now on them.

However to compete with Sony and Nintendo there needs to be a company that does 3 things…

1. Mass produce, distribute and support tens of millions of units of hardware

2. Have an established ecosystem for game distribution

3. Be a games publisher with a decent level of quality and quantity

I can’t think of a single company that meets all 3 or could transition into one

Is it PlayStation, Switch, PC and mobile from here on out for gaming?

If you split gaming into home and portable, then into open and closed platforms, all 4 categories are met by the above.
 
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Felessan

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Who should take their place?
It's not about should. It's about can. And would.
Sacred place is never empty. If you are too complacent and rigid, someone else will get your spot. Starting from small and then simply outgrow you.
Who would thought 20 years ago that top spot in gaming would be Chinese company and Nintendo would be only 6th

Is it PlayStation, Switch, PC and mobile from here on out for gaming?
There is always uncertainty part of future - unpredictable, that you can't even think of, and it's big, whole ~30% (it's not always lead to negative effect, but the risk is always there)
Nokia thought it has it in it's pocket, until paradigm shift wiped them out

(funny thing that windows mobile was a thing years before Apple made it actually work, pushing winmobile to oblivion, huge loss of MS to Apple and Google). Contrary to popular belief it's not those who ~invent~ things that usually wins. It's those who can put it to practice in a way people would like.
 
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It's not about should. It's about can. And would.
Sacred place is never empty. If you are too complacent and rigid, someone else will get your spot. Starting from small and then simply outgrow you.
Who would thought 20 years ago that top spot in gaming would be Chinese company and Nintendo would be only 6th


There is always uncertainty part of future - unpredictable, that you can't even think of, and it's big, whole ~30% (it's not always lead to negative effect, but the risk is always there)
Nokia thought it has it in it's pocket, until paradigm shift wiped them out

(funny thing that windows mobile was a thing years before Apple made it actually work, pushing winmobile to oblivion, huge loss of MS to Apple and Google). Contrary to popular belief it's not those who ~invent~ things that usually wins. It's those who can put it to practice in a way people would like.

Some great points there.

Apple didn’t invent laptops, smartphones and tablets, but they were the first ones to actually make them usable when no other company was even getting close. Imagine how awkward smartphones would be today without Apple. I think the problem for Nokia and BlackBerry was that people hadn’t really invested in them, there were no platforms or libraries tying people to them.

I’d also say that gaming is more mature than mobile phones were when Apple entered the fray. Sony and Microsoft have already seen off the onslaught by bigger corporations like Microsoft and Google.

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Woopah

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Its very hard to see the next Xbox console doing any better. Not with declining brand popularity and a lack of exclusive content.

Wii did not have a great attach rate. Switch is pushing Software. Not sure how to compare a single system to 2 regardless.
Okay but how did it do compared to DS which, if you're only going to compare it to one of those, is the most appropriate comparison.
DS had an attach rate of 6.12. Wii had an attach rate of 8.29 (not including Wii Sports outside Japan).

It's a common misconception that Wii didn't sell software very well.

The strength of Switch is that it has the hardware sales of a handheld but the software sales of a home console.
 
Kids are heading to PC or mobile. Or cheap handhelds like the switch. Even Japan, who started console gaming, is mostly mobile nowadays and PC is growing at a fast pace.
Kids aren’t heading anywhere they are broke with no money. Kids are heading where ever their parents with the money let them go. Mobile and pc is much easier to justify a parent spending money on for a child which is why it’s grown so much. No one knows what those kids will do once they have their own money. I went back to console gaming after being forced to pc because my dad wouldn’t buy annythjng else.
 

Sooner

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Series S kept the Series consoles alive longer than it would have lasted without it.

Xbox Series wouldn't even be at 20 million right now without the Series S.

I think the pandemic and chip shortages helped Xbox even more than that. The first 18 months was met with people looking for PS5s and having no luck and settling on Series consoles only because that's what was available.

Once PS5s were readily available, Xbox consoles fell off a cliff, even before they started porting games.
 

onQ123

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I think the pandemic and chip shortages helped Xbox even more than that. The first 18 months was met with people looking for PS5s and having no luck and settling on Series consoles only because that's what was available.

Once PS5s were readily available, Xbox consoles fell off a cliff, even before they started porting games.
Maybe in a pinch at Christmas time but I don't think many people did that unless it was a must have game they wanted to play that was available on both consoles. It happens but I don't think it was so many people just settling for what was available to push the needle.
 

OuterLimits

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Me wants MS console business to die, it creates more harm than good, and MS long overstayed in this business
People who only know how to sprout "competiotion this, competition that" are idiots. Who don't know how discern healthy competition from unhealthy one (and MS is notorious in trying to push unhealthy one any time it enters the market). What is long term consequences of price wars even though it so lucrative for consumers "right now" etc. There is no free lunch - high competition has it pros, in the same time it has it's own cons.

Microsoft was great during the 360 days and honestly "go get a second job" Sony needed some competition. 360 is the only Xbox I have purchased because so many 3rd party games were worse on the PS3. Late generation PS3 was pretty good though and obviously PS4 much better.
 

Mibu no ookami

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I think the pandemic and chip shortages helped Xbox even more than that. The first 18 months was met with people looking for PS5s and having no luck and settling on Series consoles only because that's what was available.

Once PS5s were readily available, Xbox consoles fell off a cliff, even before they started porting games.

Maybe in a pinch at Christmas time but I don't think many people did that unless it was a must have game they wanted to play that was available on both consoles. It happens but I don't think it was so many people just settling for what was available to push the needle.

I think the true story to this is a bit more nuanced.

I think the pandemic brought about a lot of people purchasing consoles for lack of better things to do as a result of lockdowns. I think that a lot f these people were actually casual gamers. So I think it accelerated a lot of purchasing that would otherwise have come later in the generation.

At the same time though, I do think that resulted in higher xbox sales than would otherwise have been warranted.

There are people who only play CoD or Madden or EA FC on Xbox (or PS5) or Fortnite. You can tell that Microsoft has really exhausted this audience, hence why their sales are so low now. There's a segment of gamers who don't REALLY care that much between the two consoles. Sony's first party games weren't selling them during the PS4, why would they sell them now on the PS5? They played Xbox One for the games I mentioned and they're fine playing the same games on Xbox Series now.

They haven't had big game releases that act as system sellers all generation, which is also why it's so interesting to see IGN go full tilt towards astroturfing in the last couple of years. Whether it be them being true xbox fanboys or just so conditioned to trying to keep the console war and the clicks coming, it's hard to tell, but no one who is honest and a critical thinker believes anything they're actually saying.
 
I think the true story to this is a bit more nuanced.

I think the pandemic brought about a lot of people purchasing consoles for lack of better things to do as a result of lockdowns. I think that a lot f these people were actually casual gamers. So I think it accelerated a lot of purchasing that would otherwise have come later in the generation.

At the same time though, I do think that resulted in higher xbox sales than would otherwise have been warranted.

There are people who only play CoD or Madden or EA FC on Xbox (or PS5) or Fortnite. You can tell that Microsoft has really exhausted this audience, hence why their sales are so low now. There's a segment of gamers who don't REALLY care that much between the two consoles. Sony's first party games weren't selling them during the PS4, why would they sell them now on the PS5? They played Xbox One for the games I mentioned and they're fine playing the same games on Xbox Series now.

They haven't had big game releases that act as system sellers all generation, which is also why it's so interesting to see IGN go full tilt towards astroturfing in the last couple of years. Whether it be them being true xbox fanboys or just so conditioned to trying to keep the console war and the clicks coming, it's hard to tell, but no one who is honest and a critical thinker believes anything they're actually saying.
Yeah, bud, keep telling yourself that. Many of Sony PS4 games you criticized were high sellers in the double digits range.

When’s the last time an Xbox game ever matched that?
 
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Scrawnton

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Yall should be worried about how PS5 will fail to outsell PS4. Who cares how its doing compared to Xbox? So far, Xbox's failure doesn't seem to be translating into Playstation growing. This is actually a bad sign for Sony in regards to Playstation hardware; it means their market is tapped and growth isn't on the table.
 
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