HeWhoWalks
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With a 1.5 million unit deficit (and shrinking), what exactly does anyone have to worry about?
IGN: PS5 is outselling Xbox Series X/S 5:1
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I mean, Sony should be worried that Xbox shitting the bed didn't substantially grow their user base in comparison to the previous gen. If your main competitor's colossal mess up didn't lead to your own massive hardware growth, that's obviously a problem.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Yeah, I'm sure they are super duper worried as they break records quarter after quarter and PlayStation rakes in more $ than it ever has..... while shrinking a unit deficit with its previous system.
Klayzer
Member
Lol. 40% new users to PlayStation last quarter equals not growing, I suppose.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
What the fuck are you even talking about?
bitbydeath
Gold Member
A lot of that won't be realised until next-gen.
Many will just ride out the current-gen.
Unknown?
Member
No, they cannot be compared directly. One was a lot cheaper at launch and had several price cuts while the other just got a single modest cut.
You do understand that PS5 is around 80 million sold as we speak right? Which is only 37 million away from PS4 with the biggest game of the generation still to come . If PS5 doesn't out sell PS4 it's going to be right on its heels. I swear you people can't be intelligent life forms posting stuff like this.
You do understand that PS5 is already Sony's most successful Console by dollars right?
Sooner
Member
Some people consider the PS3 the biggest failure in gaming console history with 360 the most successful.
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fallingdove
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Except it isn't.
Series X has proven itself to have better hardware?
Both PS5 vanilla and the SX have their own advantages and disadvantages. This has been made clear by plenty of PS5 games delivering better technical performance than the SX. Not to mention, if MS's statement that 'the Series X was meant to be the mid-gen upgrade' is to be believed, PS5 vanilla is vastly superior to the Series S and the PS5 Pro is vastly superior to the Series X.
The software is better? The console exclusives on PS5 are still scoring higher than those on SX and the big SX releases in Halo Infinite, Starfield, and Indiana Jones, and Avowed failed to do much for the console. I would take Horizon Forbidden West, FF7R, Helldivers 2, FF16, AstroBot, GOW Ragnarok, GT7, Rise of Ronin, Stellar Blade, Rachet and Clank RA, Demon's Souls Remake, and Spiderman 2 any day of the week over the library I have access to on the SX.
The services? Like what? Gamepass? The service that killed the console?
The connectivity? Jesus. Stretching much?
I look forward to the next decade where people like you try to convince yourselves the SX was anything special. It's another console that, despite a mountain of sunk cost, failed to deliver something the market was interested in.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
The Xbox brand has been crashing and burning for over a decade. Bad decisions after bad decisions were obfuscated under MS's money and populistic PR coming from Phil and its minions
The best-case scenario is that people like Little Chicken are playing a character; otherwise, they are the perfect example of the damage caused by a delusional narrative built all this time.
And it's not over. This kind of fake push and narrative is happening again with the Play Anywhere initiative. Is it inorganic, or plain and simple hive-mind behavior? Truly fascinating.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's just the children flexing their ball sack. Letting them know they bought the console that beat Xbox. Lol
Sony fanboys never fuckin change. Keep sucking that Sony nob.
Both actually cost their parent companies a lot of money but they laid great foundations for the future consoles to make a lot of money with the online services.
PS4 & Xbox One hit the ground running because of PS3 & Xbox 360 , Sony had to clip PS4's wings to have enough PS5 production but 4 years later it's still bringing in money
Vlodril
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The whole ps5 is falling behind the PS4 in units argument is weird. PS1 ps2 and PS3 had about 350 m unit's and the PS4 made more money for Sony against them combined with a third of units sold.
I don't think unit wise ps5 is tha far behind in units either and it's more expensive than the PS4 and had huge logistical issues at the start.
I don't think unit wise ps5 is tha far behind in units either and it's more expensive than the PS4 and had huge logistical issues at the start.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
It's 1.5 million units behind, surely to be ahead by year's end.
A price cut for both base Ps5 and Ps5 pro will be the nail in the coffin.
Unknown Soldier
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It's very sad that thread is locked
|OT| - |OT| Xbox Power King Memes
Rather than fill up *every* thread with gloating memes ... let’s just do it here so not every PlayStation fan has to endure the suffering of their personal embarrassment in all places at all times.www.neogaf.com
This is my favorite post in that thread lol
" No Let Them Suffer"
If only we could find a mod to unlock that thread for us...
Synastry
Member
Wow what a embarrassing thread that is I couldn't get pass the first page.
Xbox fans had such high hope cause of the XSX having a little better specs then ps5 which of course meant nothing in the end.
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ShaiKhulud1989
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Some takes in this thread are so hot that I've barbecued a sausage on a stick just by pointing it at my screen.
You definitely chose the wrong target here. Mibu is so pro Sony they would try to defend Sony's comic book movies.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Ah playstation is doomed again!
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I think there is an argument to be had that Sony unit sales aren't amazing overall. Partially it's still catch up from pandemic supply issues. Partially it's the economy issues. And of course there are demographic problems in developed countries.
Yes, PS5 is very profitable. But if you think about it, they have apparently 40% new users, they now have Chinese customers, and other markets overall. And they are still behind PS4 in unit sales.
It's going to be very interesting to see how unit sales go this year, especially with GTA VI coming, and if Sony will further drop the price beyond the current Astrobot bundle discount.
And it's especially going to be interesting to see what happens next gen with PS6 and how quickly/slowly will Sony convert PS5 users.
Yes, PS5 is very profitable. But if you think about it, they have apparently 40% new users, they now have Chinese customers, and other markets overall. And they are still behind PS4 in unit sales.
It's going to be very interesting to see how unit sales go this year, especially with GTA VI coming, and if Sony will further drop the price beyond the current Astrobot bundle discount.
And it's especially going to be interesting to see what happens next gen with PS6 and how quickly/slowly will Sony convert PS5 users.
Horseganador
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The incredible thing is that PS5 is so close to PS4 and will clearly surpass it this year, some forget that the console came out in November 2020 and it could not be purchased normally in Europe or Japan until January 2023 (in the USA the stock was normalized in 2022), PS5 would be in crazy numbers if it had been possible to purchase normally in the middle of the pandemic but there was no stock, in any case it has been selling more than 20 million for two years now (something that PS4 never did) being much more expensive than it, and this year it's GTAVI's turn...
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
They haven't forgotten. They know. It's the usual underestimating/lowballing of sales, especially if it's PlayStation. This has happened every gen since the PS3 and it proves time and again to be wrong. All that changes are the "reasons", but other than that, it's the same ol' song/dance.
"I think there is an argument to be had that Sony unit sales aren't amazing overall." - No, there isn't. It's amazing that it's kept up despite the fact that it went through a pandemic/massive shortage and remains much more expensive. PS5 is simply a more desired console than the PS4 was and that is before GTA VI arrives. These sorts of lowball comments will make for great "remember the time" posts in the future.
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Honestly what the hell are you talking about?
76 million in 4 years with a console in the $449 - $499 range most of this generation? Are you insane?
It seems that the people who send out these crazy narratives don't care how stupid it makes their minions look vs reality.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
You definitely chose the wrong target here. Mibu is so pro Sony they would try to defend Sony's comic book movies.
I'm not pro-Sony or anti-Sony or pro-Microsoft or anti-Microsoft or pro-Nintendo or anti-Nintendo.
I call balls and strikes.
I've been moderated against for criticizing Sony, twice (and fairly mind you, the criticism that is). I'm critical of Sony's portfolio management, their PC strategy, their M&A, their PR and marketing, the slopiness of their game launches which now include their PC releases.
If I sound pro-Sony because I think Sony's doing a significantly better job than Microsoft, I'd push you to recognize reality rather than coming for me...
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
This is a poor analysis.
Let's actually move backwards here and start from the bottom. Does sony need fast adoption of the PS6? Again, it seems like so many people are stuck in their mindset. In the age of crossgen games and F2P games, MAU is far more important than unit sales. So ask yourself why Sony needs quick conversion of PS5 owners rather than continued software sales, subscription sales, and MTX sales?
That they're already selling Astro Bot at 400 dollars for the digital suggests that might be the entry level price they're willing to sell when GTA6 comes out. It will be interesting to see how aggressive they are, but they also know that they're largely looking at converting PS4 owners who largely play F2P games and annual release games. Again, MAU is the most important metric here.
I'm not sure how people can see Sony has having by far the most profitable generation ever (and they've essentially been market leader for the last 30 years) and somehow translate that to disappointing. People need to stop and reflect on their narrative .
Mibu no ookami
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I truly wonder what people will say when GTA6 comes out and the PS5 LTD surpasses the PS4... except no I don't... because I already know. They'll say, of course, it's more popular, it got GTA6 and the PS4 only got a port of GTA5 and that the PS5 is only ahead of the PS4 because of GTA6. Ignoring that every console is a sum of its parts.
Anyone who thinks that the PS5 isn't going to outsell the PS4 at this point is fooling themselves. It'll take some nose dive for the PS5 not to surpass it considerably and my guess is the PS5 is going to have a strong tail due to not being discontinued as fast as the PS4 was.
I think the PS6 might not sell as well as the PS5 if streaming truly takes off and some typical consumers decide to move to PS+ and not get a PS6, but what we should see is some healthy maintenance if not growth of MAUs.
Sony would rather not sell someone a PS6 and have them subscribe to PS+ for 5 years and buy their games digitally, but some will paint that as a bad thing for Sony.
Klayzer
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SweetTooth
Gold Member
Sony posts historic sales number last quarter.
StereoVsn: PS5 sales aren't amazing!!
Lol
StereoVsn
Gold Member
My point is that it's too early to celebrate. Conversion of PS4 owners has been slow. Yes, Sony has achievers tremendous profitability, but at the same time overall numbers pose questions for the future.
Again, 40% new customers including China, and we are not seeing breakout unit sales. I am not saying Sony is Doomed or anything silly like that. But it's going to be very interesting to see how sales go during next 12 months.
And I say all of this as someone who has been a fan of PlayStation products and Sony in general for a very long time. On gaming front I have had vast majority of their gaming systems and still have some of them connected from PSX, PS2, PS3, PSP, Vita, Vita TV, PS4, PS4 Pro, and PS5. I still have multiple PS2, PSP, Vita (even LS TV) and PS3 units. I have hundreds of physical and digital titles for above.
And I still don't like what the trends are showing for future unit sales. Hopefully I am wrong and eat crow on this in a year or two.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
Its also too early to be pessimistic! Why?
GT m***king A 6
Biggest entertainment release ever in history is about to land and is exclusive to current gen consoles for at least a year.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Maybe, and it's certainly going to give a huge incentive for a lot of people on PS4 and even Xbox One to upgrade. So let's see how it goes.
I don't particularly like long term trends and hopefully I am wrong.
Sooner
Member
What the opposite of looking for a silver lining? Because that's what you're doing.
Sony is killing it. They are literally putting Xbox out of business, yet you're trying to find any reason why it doesn't count.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
??? Did I say Microsoft or Xbox anywhere? Let's not put up a stupid strawman here.
I am saying that unit sales are not amazing considering the amount of new users Sony got, mostly from Xbox I would imagine and maybe China. So the next thing to watch would be if GTA VI is going to manage to convert the users still on PS4 to PS5 finally.
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Questioning PS5 next 12 months is crazy when GTAVI , Monster Hunter Wild , Assassin's Creed Shadows , Silent Hill F, Elden Ring Nightreign , Death Stranding 2, Ghost of Yotei , Forza Horizon 5 , Sonic Racing Cross Worlds ( it will reach a different market ), Indiana Jones, Gears of War , Flight Sim & more + Astro Bundle & The Portal that's steadily been selling every month since release this is not the time to Question PS5.
GTAVI alone is reason enough not to say something that crazy but knowing that PS5 has basically become go to home console & will benefit the most from big game releases in the next 12 months & still trying to paint a picture of PS5 sales falling is insanity.
Sooner
Member
"If you don't count all that they've sold, they haven't sold that much."
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Sigh…
1. I didn't say sales are falling.
2. I said Unit sales don't look amazing coupled with Sony's own statements about around 40% of PS5 customers being new to the platform. That doesn't mean "falling" or "Sony is doomed".
3. Based on above it looks like a lot of PS4 buyers haven't converted to PS5 for whatever reason reason. This is collaborated by Sony's statement of a lot of active PS4 PS+ subs still active.
4. The ONLY game in the list above they will push people to get a PS5 if they haven't done the already is GTA VI, which is why I said it's going to be interesting to see unit sales once they releases or really a month or two before.
Seriously people, stop being fixated on console war or whatever.
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HeWhoWalks
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Nothing he called you out on has anything to do with "warring". So, we can hop off that. To everything else, your insinuation was indeed that things don't look as good as people say they do, but that can only be true if you exclude literally every detail...
- Second record breaking PS quarter, thanks to PS5!
- PlayStation has made more money than all previous PlayStation consoles, again thanks to PS5!
- The biggest 3rd party game has yet to launch and PS5 is only 1.5 million units behind its predecessor, despite unique/non-unique things that worked against it (one on Day 1).
- Plenty of exclusives will cause temporary spikes (Intergalactic and Wolverine immediately spring to mind).
- Many PS4 users are waiting for more affordable prices. A cheaper Atsrobot bundle just launched. Let's watch how that goes down.
Monster Hunter literally just sold a bunch of PS5s in Japan but some how GTA 6 is the only game I named that will push people to get PS5?
Assassin's Creed & Silent Hill will most definitely sale PS5.
Go ahead and question my logic
PS5 is in the perfect storm right now (Increased supply , God of War:R , The Last Of Us Show & Hogwarts Legacy )
The only thing in it's way for the next few months is Metroid Prime Remastered & Zelda Tears Of The Kingdom . Hogwarts Legacy releasing on current gen first most likely shift more people into the current generation than anything else that has happened in the last 2 years & it look like PS5 can...
Klayzer
Member
My question is. If many PS4 users have not moved over yet, isn't that substantial growth? These sales are coming from somewhere.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Good point!
reinking
Gold Member
It's also even better that they still have PS4 owners buying games Because that's a totally user-base of over 100 million .
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I think you're overstating the influence of China in these numbers. For sure there is some increase especially due to Black Myth Wukong, but even if PS5 is actually doubling PS4's numbers in China, we have no idea what percentage that actually accounts for. Moving from 2 million to 4 million isn't really all that significant.
We know the PS5 is ahead of the PS4 in US and it's in line with in Japan. We also know that it's down in Europe and we know that's largely due to economic decline in Europe as well as inflation.
Once EA FC goes exclusive to this gen and once GTA6 comes out, we're going to see a very different picture out of Europe.