Chittagong
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To my point - this is how we will design and test game concepts from now on:
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To my point - this is how we will design and test game concepts from now on:
Jack Videogames
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To my point - this is how we will design and test game concepts from now on:
"My mmorpg"
I'm all for people using AI to make games if they don't have all the necessary talents and they don't want/can't form a team. But why is it always mmorpgs? They're the single hardest genre to make and almost impossible to make alone. Go get RPGMaker or Game Engine and make a boring Earthbound inspired RPG about depression like everyone else.
Aesius
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Damn. This makes it possible to fairly quickly generate HD packs for basically every sprite-based game (many NES games in particular would look amazing with this).
mathello
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People were burning the servers and they started cutting some things.
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Awesome, now we all get to see everybody's dull-as-fuck, derivative "designs"!
I hate to break this to you guys, but making great games, making great anything is about more than crafting the perfect prompt.
It actually requires work. A lot of work.
You know it can be argued that one of the reasons (there are many) that modern games feel samey, is because everyone uses the same middleware. Sure, it theoretically saves time taking something "off the shelf" as opposed to "rolling your own", but there's a lot to be said for uniqueness even at the material level.
AI generation is just the next step towards plasticizing manufacture. It shits out goop that when appropriately shaped resembles the thing its meant to be.
Get ready to "enjoy" a lot of plastic shit down the line.
Sorry to rant, but I think this whole AI revolution is predicated on a fundamental lie. That being: because something closely resembles a thing, it is the thing it resembles.
This is not true, it will always be a facsimile. A forgery. A fake.
It will always be less than the thing it copies.
I hate to break this to you guys, but making great games, making great anything is about more than crafting the perfect prompt.
It actually requires work. A lot of work.
You know it can be argued that one of the reasons (there are many) that modern games feel samey, is because everyone uses the same middleware. Sure, it theoretically saves time taking something "off the shelf" as opposed to "rolling your own", but there's a lot to be said for uniqueness even at the material level.
AI generation is just the next step towards plasticizing manufacture. It shits out goop that when appropriately shaped resembles the thing its meant to be.
Get ready to "enjoy" a lot of plastic shit down the line.
Sorry to rant, but I think this whole AI revolution is predicated on a fundamental lie. That being: because something closely resembles a thing, it is the thing it resembles.
This is not true, it will always be a facsimile. A forgery. A fake.
It will always be less than the thing it copies.
intbal
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I suspect that is largely the result of lots of people who are basically new to AI image creation.
We had far more creative designs in the Bing Dall-E thread two years ago, and that AI is horribly restricted.
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Sorry if I'm being a bit harsh and ranty, but my issue is with the way AI is being presented. A topic fresh in my mind as I've been doing training on it today at work.
I'm not saying AI isn't a useful tool, it is. The issue I have is the way its presented as a kind of universal short-cut to greatness.
What you are just going to get is an overwhelming deluge of junk data. Because AI has no "taste".
We need BETTER, not more.
In the simplest terms; would you say spambots improved or enhanced discourse on the internet? Or are they just an ever-present white noise that we try and ignore?
intbal
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I was only really responding to the part that I quoted. The "samey" nature of images in the thread.
I'm not a fan of AI image creation for anything other than personal enjoyment.
This isn't gaming related, but here's an image I created for that Dall-E thread I mentioned.
There were no uploads and I didn't reference any previous work. It was all done through description, so at least some small measure of it is my own style, even though AI uses trained data to develop the sources it uses to compose image elements.
Idleyes
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To my point - this is how we will design and test game concepts from now on:
Looks like ChatGPT 4o & DALL·E really captured the essence. Colorful environment, vague to nearly absent lore, minimal UI elements so the player can focus on 12 different currencies and that $19.99 starter pack. They only missed the limited-time battle pass and the emotionally manipulative login reward system.
Badlucktroll
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i want it to to make game that is oozey and boozey
Idleyes
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MF'ing DOOM: Bars of Fury 
Step into the cipher — not with your thumbs, but with your voice.
MF'ing DOOM'd: Bars of Fury is the world's first voice-to-text freestyle RPG where your flow is your weapon. Built using cutting-edge speech recognition and natural language AI, this game doesn't just hear your rhymes — it judges them.
How it works:- Plug in your mic and spit bars live.
- The game uses real-time transcription paired with an advanced NLP engine trained on lyrical styles from the greatest MCs — Nas, Black Thought, Lauryn, Biggie, Rakim, and more.
- Your lyrics are graded instantly for metaphors, similes, multisyllabic rhyme schemes, punchlines, wordplay, double and triple entendres, even obscure references.
- The better your bars, the more damage you deal in battle. Slack and stumble, and your enemies — cypher beasts, wack clones, label goons — will eat you alive.
Story Mode:You're a rising underground artist trying to bring real lyricism back to a corrupted industry ruled by MF DOOM — the masked mastermind who's turned the artform into algorithm-fed noise. Travel through boroughs, battle other MCs, unlock forgotten flows, and challenge MFDOOM himself in a final verbal showdown to free hip-hop's soul. Features:- Dynamic AI opponents that adapt to your style.
- Customizable flow trees develop different rhyme paths and personas.
- Street rep system; earn your name in the scene by killing open mics and radio battles.
- Original beats by underground producers, plus the ability to import your own.
- Stylized visuals inspired by Mm..Food and 90s cartoon aesthetics.
Can you hold your own when the mic gets hot? Or will you get MF'ing DOOM'd?
Disclaimer: Image of Final Boss battle is a work in Progress.
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Donald mac Ronald
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bro people are just having fun in this thread. If AI art offends you so much, ignore the thread.
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The basis is always the LLM, it interprets the prompt and creates whatever, be it more words, more pixels, more code based on that prompt.
To achieve this it pulls in what is relevant patterns based on its training dataset and essentially uses that to fill in the blanks.
The more complex and multi-dimensional the thing being synthesized, the more prompt keywords you need, and the more "filler" is brought in wholesale from the training data. A game requires a LOT of keywords, a LOT of data to create something that feels right.
So, my expectation is that long before AI spits out anything that accidentally happens to feel original or inspired, what we're going to see are 10000 pieces of bland uninspired, and yes derivative (because its just munging up subsets of its training data) fake games,.
The problem being it will be hard to easily discriminate between the real and the fake because the fakes superficially look so good.
Can you see my point about how this is going to become a problem? You think "asset flips" are a blight on the scene... yeesh.
Sorry to piss on people's chips - and to be honest, the image you posted is beautiful- but I really think people haven't thought about the consequences of the abundance of faux-creative spam this technology is likely to unleash.
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The internet as we know it -- a repository of human-created information and a platform for human-to-human interaction -- is clearly doomed, tbh.Sorry to piss on people's chips - and to be honest, the image you posted is beautiful- but I really think people haven't thought about the consequences of the abundance of faux-creative spam this technology is likely to unleash.
Holammer
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Saw this today. Pretty crazy considering how much work rotoscoping still required for Prince of Persia. Also an amazing mo-cap solution for indies on a budget.
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A.Romero
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Most of the content generated today, for business or otherwise, is not original anyway and people eat it up. Even before the advent of AI, very few people had the talent to create something unique so most of the content is derivative as fuck. Even fully produced media like games, movies, music... . If we include people in general, just look at all the podcasts every one and their mother think they can do. Or check out how similar are pictures most people take. AI just need to be better than average to be wildly useful, it doesn't need to be the best.
Dev studios and businesses are not only using the models we have access to. They are fine tunning models for their own use. So if you had 10 artists and one art director to generate all the output you needed, now you might need an art director and 2 artists because AI can do a lot of the leg work. It can still be beautiful. To me, people that think this is the full potential of this tech sound like people a few decades ago that used to say that digital art wasn't really art. We know now that is not true (specially us, as gamers).
It hasn't even been 2 years and a half since ChatGPT was released to the public and look at all it has improved and how the use cases have expanded. What do you think will happen in 10 or 20 years? The tech not only will be better but people in general are going to be better at taking advantage of it's capabilities.
A lot of people will be OK with AI generated content, even if it's derivative. Hell, they might even prefer it, given that they will be able to actively participate in creating it. Don't you think a huge amount of people would play an AI generated by their favorite streamer? It won't matter it's not the best.
AeonGaidenRaiden
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This is just my theory, even though I too wanted to try the new feature and am guilty of it, the AMOUNT of photos, personal images people posted in the last few days, they fed the AI algorithm for the next 2 years. So dont get mad if you see one day a character wearing your style tshirt because it used one of your uploaded images in its creation. As a photographer, AI is now doing to artists what IG FIlters did to photographers. Yeah you will still get hired but the fact that it became so easy to "edit" and make the image more powerful with a one click preset, now everyone thinks they area photographer with their iPhone.
Big companies will still hire artist for original content, but small businesses wont be paying anymore someone $100-$200 for a logo etc when they just chuck their idea in chatgpt.
Big companies will still hire artist for original content, but small businesses wont be paying anymore someone $100-$200 for a logo etc when they just chuck their idea in chatgpt.
AeonGaidenRaiden
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^^^ to be fair thats exactly how the dude looks like in real life.
Nocty
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I do wonder how far we are away from feeding old videogame source code into it and prompting 'remake this with better graphics'.
It surely can't be that far away now.
Imagine a day coming where you could go cherry pick any old game from your library and just generate a fully modernised version of it and add voice acting, improved mechanics, etc.
It surely can't be that far away now.
Imagine a day coming where you could go cherry pick any old game from your library and just generate a fully modernised version of it and add voice acting, improved mechanics, etc.
RayHell
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That was on purpose
near
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They already do this by using AI to upscale low res assets in remasters for old games.
Idleyes
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Title: "FIGHT ME IRL" Game ConceptFIGHT ME IRL is an over-the-top AR-based mobile game that turns your real-world location into a underground fight club. Players walk around town, see other players through their phones in AR, and challenge them to brutal street fights, all while collecting ego points, bandages, and energy drinks.
Core Features
Augmented Reality Street Fights- Scan your surroundings using your camera to find players.
- Players appear in AR with real busted lips, swollen eyes, duct-taped ribs, or black eyes, based on their fight history.
- Fights move at a whoop ass pace, with flight & avoid mechanics.
Real-Time Bruising System™- Every loss updates your avatar's face in real-time:
- Lose a fight? Black eye &/or broken bones.
- Get KO'd? Wake up fighting the first person you see.
- Get hit in the groin? Yeah… you're pretty much fucked.
- The more beat up you are, the more respect you earn.
"Ego Meter"- Winning fights pumps your ego meter.
- But if it gets too high? You bop around like a one legged pigeon and can't effectively use avoid mechanics, a punishment for being full of yourself.
Mini-Games- Patch-Up Mode: Use band-aids, ice packs, and weird homemade remedies to clean yourself up.
- Taunt Editor: Use your own over-the-top AR taunts
- "Hope you stretched, 'cause I'm about to rearrange your posture!"
- "My grandma hits harder than you, and she's in a knitting gang."
- "I eat punches for breakfast. Hope you brought snacks."
- "You're bout to be the reason they add tutorials."
- "Hold still, I need a new profile pic for 'winning'."
- "Where'd you get that combo? McDonalds?"
Multiplayer + Geo Features- Match with players nearby using AR map integration.
- "Turf Mode" lets you defend your block, if someone beats yo ass there, they "tag" the location with their own label (like "All Elbows Matter").
Visual Style- Hyper-cartoonish violence, think Itchy & Scratchy meets Punch-Out!!
- Everyone looks like they've been in 10 too many fights and proud of it.
Tone- Spoof of macho fighting culture, viral "street fight" videos, and wannabe tough guys.
- Every hit has a slapstick punch sound and over-the-top ragdoll physics.
- Dialog is full of sarcastic one-liners and self-unaware trash talk.
"No rules. No mercy. No dental coverage."
The initial response makes it seem like it can do a Yoji Shinkawa style but the image you asked for is against content policy. Then when you asked it something assuming Yoji is not permitted it assumed it's true and gave a bullshit answer why.Thought that was interesting.
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Idleyes
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LMFAO, I feel like were seeing the same nerds that complained about people saving screenshots of their ape NFT's get mad at people for using AI.
The guy's ranting on a social platform where he's already uploaded his facial data to a company whose CEO is actively developing his own AI that is CLOSELY INTERGRATED WITH SAID SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM.
Jack Videogames
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The guy's ranting on a social platform where he's already uploaded his facial data to a company whose CEO is actively developing his own AI that is CLOSELY INTERGRATED WITH SAID SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM.
RoboFu
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-> lucarts era pixellated game running on tandy crt with 5 1/4" floppy disk
-> lucarts era pixellated game running on tandy crt with 5 1/4" floppy disk
Would buy.Had some fun this evening.
E-Cat
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An insult to life itselfSaw this one on X, thought it was pretty iconic
Your point is duly noted, but this is only a transient problem. AI *will* have taste, it will have agency, it will be superhuman at everything. In 3-5 years max.
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All AI will do in my opinion is to get better at telling you what you want to hear/showing you what you want to see. No surprises, just the same-old, same-old regurgitated ad nauseum. Which will be thrilling for awhile, but I think it will get old real fast - particularly because there'll be so much "stuff".
The long-term problem is already pretty apparent; there is no intelligence just comformity to training sets based on data volume. Its how we get funny effects like "racist" or "sexist" AI, an obvious example of which being something like asking for an image of a secretary and it spits out a picture of a conventionally attractive young woman - the result being simply a consequence of that sort of appearance being the most common scraped from the web, not through any sort of particular bias.
So, to "fix" this, operators start curating the training data to produce more "equitable" results. In simple terms they put their thumbs on the scale to ensure a certain outcome.
As a thought experiment, extend that consequence out to a myriad of different factors and parameters all being juked by people with a certain ideological slant, or a vested interest to protect. Interests that will converge to produce likely a small number of gate-keepers for the training metadata - as ultimately the processing models are only as good as the datasets they have to work with...
As you no doubt can tell I'm not optimistic about the way this is all going to turn out. I have no doubt its going to become the ultimate tool for propagandists and social conditioners, because despite how its being presented all that's happening is that despite it promising to give individuals what they want, ultimately its going to turn into a thing that gives people what the government and corporations allow them to have.
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I asked ChatGPT to take this book cover
And render it realistically
It's quite frankly astonishing
And render it realistically
It's quite frankly astonishing
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I asked ChatGPT to take this book cover
And render it realistically
It's quite frankly astonishing
Square Enix has entered the chat.