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SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
Microsoft just cancelled plans to build 3 data centers right outside of Columbus Ohio in Licking County. That along with that big new intel chip factory had me excited since we dont really have a big tech presence in columbus. Just a bunch of healthcare firms that dont pay as well. Even if i couldnt get a job there, the salaries wouldve gone up in the city for sure.

microsoft blamed the current economic uncertainties but its just an excuse. Intel has delayed their project too. It was set to start construction this year but its been delayed to 2031-2032. I wouldnt be surprised if they cancel their plans too.
 

IntentionalPun

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Microsoft just cancelled plans to build 3 data centers right outside of Columbus Ohio in Licking County. That along with that big new intel chip factory had me excited since we dont really have a big tech presence in columbus. Just a bunch of healthcare firms that dont pay as well. Even if i couldnt get a job there, the salaries wouldve gone up in the city for sure.

microsoft blamed the current economic uncertainties but its just an excuse. Intel has delayed their project too. It was set to start construction this year but its been delayed to 2031-2032. I wouldnt be surprised if they cancel their plans too.
Raw materials are shooting up in price, nobody is going to want to build anything right now and for the foreseeable future.

Not sure why you think this is just an excuse. Our economic outlook has changed drastically the last couple of months.
 
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Great Auk

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China controls 90% of the rare earth market.

And THAT'S why you don't let a single adversarial country monopolize the whole market on something important.

I blame unfettered capitalism and globalists, trying to squeeze another penny of profit by moving overseas.
 

Thaimasker

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They should increase tarrifs on China to 200%

Some of you almost giddy that China won't back down yet is kind of weird.

They sell all their trash to us, no one can fill that vaccuum in sales if the US doesn't buy it. They will be destroyed.

Anyone see that Pelosi video on tariffs from 1996 talking about China and tariffs? Basically Trump in a wig.
We make up 16% of their exports, the EU is 14%. It'd be worse for them if trump wasn't also doing this with every other country, making them buddy up with China even more.

We'd come out worse in this current situation, And something tells me Chinese citizens can weather it better than Americans.

Now imagine if this pushed China to try to take over Taiwan and their semiconductors.. They are getting more aggressive as we speak
 

dem

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Still wild to see Fox news delete their stock ticker.

This is from yesterday but seems to be the energy coming out of the white house.. this is the leader of our entire economy's attitude, he's being tough and manly!

Fox News has become eerily similar to Russian state media.


Not much difference between Jesse Watters and this guy


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China controls 90% of the rare earth market.

And THAT'S why you don't let a single adversarial country monopolize the whole market on something important.

I blame unfettered capitalism and globalists, trying to squeeze another penny of profit by moving overseas.

What is this FAGA logic? China produces those because many of those can't be find anywhere else in the world, definitely not at the capacity China has. You wanna go back several hundred million years, influence geology/climate, so U.S. can have some of those rare earth minerals today?
 

IntentionalPun

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They should increase tarrifs on China to 200%

Some of you almost giddy that China won't back down yet is kind of weird.

They sell all their trash to us, no one can fill that vaccuum in sales if the US doesn't buy it. They will be destroyed.

Anyone see that Pelosi video on tariffs from 1996 talking about China and tariffs? Basically Trump in a wig.
Who the fuck cares what Nancy Pelosi said 30 years ago?
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
They should increase tarrifs on China to 200%

Some of you almost giddy that China won't back down yet is kind of weird.

They sell all their trash to us, no one can fill that vaccuum in sales if the US doesn't buy it. They will be destroyed.

Anyone see that Pelosi video on tariffs from 1996 talking about China and tariffs? Basically Trump in a wig.

I didn't see that but 1996 was a long time ago and we would have had much more leverage back then. Ross Perot's comments about NAFTA during his debate with Clinton and Bush are also interesting in light of history. Since that time we've transformed our economy for better or worse (arguably better for rich people and worse for everyone else) so that we leave the "shit" work to them and make bank on the value added product ourselves. Those decades of change are nearly impossible to undo in one presidential term. While it may or may not have been a good idea both back then and now, it is definitely much more unfeasible now compared to back then.


edit: I still didn't watch the video but I would assume that upon closer inspection, the kinds of tariffs that Pelosi is talking about are specifically targeted tariffs to strategically protect certain vulnerable sectors of the domestic market. Which is a lot different than the current tariffs, which are more like trade deficit calculated tariffs that are less surgical and more chainsaw-y.

China controls 90% of the rare earth market.

And THAT'S why you don't let a single adversarial country monopolize the whole market on something important.

I blame unfettered capitalism and globalists, trying to squeeze another penny of profit by moving overseas.

The same political party of unfettered capitalism and globalism that you blame for the problem is same one trying to sell you the solution.
 
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They should increase tarrifs on China to 200%

Some of you almost giddy that China won't back down yet is kind of weird.

They sell all their trash to us, no one can fill that vaccuum in sales if the US doesn't buy it. They will be destroyed.

Anyone see that Pelosi video on tariffs from 1996 talking about China and tariffs? Basically Trump in a wig.

America has nowhere near enough leverage on trade to destroy China. Hurt them? Sure. But you need to pick up a history book if you think the Chinese wont suffer significant hardships for political and national pride. Showing any kind of weakness towards America is out of the question. A deal could be made, but its not one where America comes out the winner and China the loser.

Both sides in a prolonged trade war are going to get the shit beat out of them. And take the rest of us with them. Its a shit sandwich, who wants that?
 
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Go_Ly_Dow

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"China has accused Washington of ‘blackmail’ and said it will ‘fight to the end’ after Donald Trump threatened overnight to impose an additional 50 per cent tariff on Chinese imports. At the same time, President Xi Jinping is seeking to present himself as a responsible champion of the international trading system and defender of globalisation against the Trump wrecking ball. Neither position bears scrutiny; the latter is almost laughable, since it is Beijing’s persistent disregard of international rules that has fuelled the anger in America in the first place.
It all smacks of desperation and not the ‘super economy’ of CCP propaganda
As part of its strategy, the Chinese Communist party is seeking to downplay the impact on its ‘super economy’, as the People’s Daily described it at the weekend, insisting the country is strong and resilient. More sympathetic foreign journalists have received tours of high-tech facilities. ‘I saw the future. It was not America’, declared Thomas Friedman in the New York Times, after he was shown Huawei’s Shanghai campus. A credulous Friedman, who praised China’s spending splurge after the 2008 global financial crisis and later asked, ‘What if we could just be China for a day?’, lauded Beijing’s efforts at AI-driven innovation in order ‘to be permanently liberated from Trump’s tariffs’.

There is more than a touch of the Potemkin about this, since China’s economy is in a bad way. It is suffering the lingering effects of a property collapse (responsible for a quarter of the economy), heavily indebted and saddled with massive over-capacity. Few companies are making money and Xi’s efforts to export his way out of trouble, with heavily subsidised renewable energy tech leading the way, is especially vulnerable to tariffs.

While it is true that Beijing has been preparing for trade hostilities, it is unlikely to have anticipated tariffs on this scale. One tactic has been to shift investment and trade away from the US: China’s direct shipments of goods to America as a share of total exports shrank from 19.2 per cent in 2018 to just under 15 per cent in 2024, according to Chinese customs data. Yet much of this has been achieved by transhipping goods via Vietnam, Thailand or other parts of southeast Asia. Chinese investment in this region has soared, but with a heavy emphasis on assembly plants bolting together Chinese components or simply re-badging goods as made somewhere else other than China.

Trump appears to have been wise to this, imposing heavy tariffs – particularly on Vietnam – and trade talks with southeast Asia will no doubt focus on these transhipments. There are signs that these countries are already growing wary of Beijing’s investment and the dumping of Chinese-made goods more broadly. According to figures from the World Trade Organisation (WTO), 66 anti-dumping investigations were initiated against China in the first half of 2024 alone, more than in all of 2023. Even Beijing’s good friend Russia has got in on the act, initiating a complaint about the flow of cheap Chinese cars into the country. There is little mood for accepting cheap imports that might be redirected from the American market.

Trump’s latest threat is to impose an additional 50 per cent tariff (bringing the total to 104 per cent when all tariffs are combined) if China does not retract a 34 per cent tariff on US goods, which it announced last week in response to Trump’s imposition of the same figure. Beijing also announced further restrictions on the export of rare earths, which are used in the manufacturing of batteries, electric vehicles and other high-tech goods, and added 16 US companies and organisations to an export control list, which restricts Chinese companies from doing business with them.

‘Putting “America First” over international rules is a typical act of unilateralism, protectionism and economic bullying,’ said China’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson Lin Jian – apparently with a straight face. The reality is, of course, that since it joined the WTO in 2001, Beijing has relentlessly gamed the system, largely ignoring its obligations. As President Barack Obama noted in his memoir A Promised Land, China’s rise has been facilitated by systematically ‘evading, bending, or breaking just about every agreed-about rule of international commerce’. The cyber theft of technology and other know-how continues on an industrial scale.

In recent weeks Xi has sought to reach out to international businesses, seeking to assure them that China is a welcoming place to invest – having spent much of the last decade oozing hostility towards them. He has also sought to boost the role of private companies, particularly in the tech sector, which under his rule have faced a relentless crackdown, with entrepreneurs purged from the companies they set up – or have simply disappeared.

There’s also the option of a sharp devaluation of the Renminbi, China’s currency, to help prop up exports by making them even cheaper. This, however, is likely simply to further inflame anger among the increasing ranks of countries annoyed by Chinese dumping.

It all smacks of desperation and not the ‘super economy’ of CCP propaganda. Xi is unlikely to remove the 34 per cent retaliatory tariffs on US goods as demanded by Trump. That would be an enormous loss of face. Trump, on current form, will go ahead with his additional 50 per cent. Xi could then hit high-profile targets – Apple and Tesla, for instance, both heavily reliant on the Chinese economy. But both have been important partners for Beijing in modernising its technology supply chains and cheerleaders for engagement with China. For all the bravado coming from Beijing, the Chinese economy is highly vulnerable and will come off worse from the slugfest that is now gathering pace."
 

Go_Ly_Dow

Member
America has nowhere near enough leverage on trade to destroy China. Hurt them? Sure. But you need to pick up a history book if you think the Chinese wont suffer significant hardships for political and national pride. Showing any kind of weakness towards America is out of the question. A deal could be made, but its not one where America comes out the winner and China the loser.

Both sides in a prolonged trade war are going to get the shit beat out of them. Its a shit sandwich. Who wants that?
Thoughts on the article above?

Chinese economy is a lot weaker than they say. Not to forget the real estate crisis.

Coupled with the birth rate crisis they have which is on steroids their economy is set to go down the sh1tter over the next few decades.
 
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"increase to 200%" lol. Dumbass take. I feel sorry for the Americans. A shitton of people will lose their jobs over this and business will ho out of business.

Good luck, 60% of you chose this (not voting is the same as voting for this moron).

I just hope the EU and all others are finally taking steps to cut out the US all together.

Sadly we are very dependand on US services. Tarrifs on cloud services etc would be devastating for a whole lot of business here. I worked for a bunch of government businesses and almost all use azure / AWS.

"you need to buy more American stuff".

Nobody wants to buy your garbage trucks or whatever you make. If it weren't for your services you'd be another gas station like Russia.

I expect the EU to be flooded with Chinese stuff even more now.
 
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I've been told to panic many times in the past decade; it's hard to get worked up about the latest thing. People can make educated guesses about how this'll play out, but it seems unprecedented and therefore who tf knows, so I'll worry when the worst when it actually comes to pass. It's all up in the air right now.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
Thoughts on the article above?

Chinese economy is a lot weaker than they say.

Coupled with the birth rate crisis they have which is on steroids they look set to go down the sh1tter over the next few decades.

Weaker on paper or not, if this becomes the battle of the two "sort of command economies", which one of those two has a populace more willing to put up with their leaders' bullshit?
 

Great Auk

Member
200% tariffs was hyperbole, I admit haha

Rare Earths are found elsewhere, just not as exploited. I have degrees in geology, this stuff has always been fascinating to me.

I admit this is complicated and tit for tat tariffs is not a way forward.

The West's economies however can't keep bleeding strategic economic sectors to the third world. This is not a long term winning strategy for sustainable economic stability, forget about growth.

I don't like the "be a hammer to everything" approach, but this type of economic confrontation was going to happen sooner or later.
 
Thoughts on the article above?

Chinese economy is a lot weaker than they say. Not to forget the real estate crisis.

Coupled with the birth rate crisis they have which is on steroids their economy is set to go down the sh1tter over the next few decades.

Everyone's economy is shit.

Personally, i'd rather not find out who's going to collapse that hardest in a prolonged trade war between America and China.
 

Gp1

Member

Know what's the best part?

The WSJ did a survey that showed that Chinese manufacturers have borrowed nearly $2 trillion in recent years to increase Chinese industrial production. BYD alone will build two factories the size of VW's Wolfsburg complex (the largest car factory in the world).
Any country where the US is the largest trading partner will likely be flooded with Chinese goods in the coming years.
 
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JayK47

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I guess I have been lucky so far. My stocks are still above their value earlier this year. So for me, my stocks have not dropped that much. I am pretty sure I had seen worse with the last guy.

I am in wait and see mode and I do hold out hope that the market springs back in a few months. But who knows. It is not like the stock market is anything besides legalized gambling and you, as a stock owner, are not guaranteed anything. I had a previous stock in a company that went bankrupt erasing all value. I lost it all. Of all the gains I have made with other stocks over the years, it still has not made up for that loss. I have never made any money on the stock market. It is a game I play with money and the house always wins.

We knew tariffs were coming. I chose to ride out the dip. I don't see the point in getting all worked up over something I have no control over and will likely improve with time.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol Tim Cook is panicking.



The funny thing is that iphones are very cheap to make. Like maybe not even a hundred bucks in BOM. They make hundreds if not a thousand dollars in profits on most models.

Sanctions on both means there is no trade to tariff.
It's dropped from before but the trade was still $2.5 billion. Not $0.

  • Trade Deficit:
    The U.S. had a goods trade deficit with Russia of $2.5 billion in 2024.

 
So if a trade deficit of 2.5 billion doesn't get you tarrifs, I wonder how much the deficit was with those penguins.

I cant believe anyone believes the "there's no trade with Russia anyway" bullshit.

We all know the real reason why there is no tarrif on that hellhole.
 

Great Auk

Member
So if a trade deficit of 2.5 billion doesn't get you tarrifs, I wonder how much the deficit was with those penguins.

I cant believe anyone believes the "there's no trade with Russia anyway" bullshit.

We all know the real reason why there is no tarrif on that hellhole.

How do you explain In North Korea?

No need for conspiracy theories guys.
 

SlimySnake

Flashless at the Golden Globes
I guess I have been lucky so far. My stocks are still above their value earlier this year. So for me, my stocks have not dropped that much. I am pretty sure I had seen worse with the last guy.

I am in wait and see mode and I do hold out hope that the market springs back in a few months. But who knows. It is not like the stock market is anything besides legalized gambling and you, as a stock owner, are not guaranteed anything. I had a previous stock in a company that went bankrupt erasing all value. I lost it all. Of all the gains I have made with other stocks over the years, it still has not made up for that loss. I have never made any money on the stock market. It is a game I play with money and the house always wins.

We knew tariffs were coming. I chose to ride out the dip. I don't see the point in getting all worked up over something I have no control over and will likely improve with time.
Well, there was no black monday yesterday or today so we might have gone through the worst of it. Thank god for that. I was legit ready for a depression. but you never know what happens in a few days if these guys cant work it out.

Though honestly, it doesnt look like this admin wants to work things out seeing as how they rejected the $0 offer from the EU.
 

IntentionalPun

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I guess I have been lucky so far. My stocks are still above their value earlier this year. So for me, my stocks have not dropped that much. I am pretty sure I had seen worse with the last guy.

I am in wait and see mode and I do hold out hope that the market springs back in a few months. But who knows. It is not like the stock market is anything besides legalized gambling and you, as a stock owner, are not guaranteed anything. I had a previous stock in a company that went bankrupt erasing all value. I lost it all. Of all the gains I have made with other stocks over the years, it still has not made up for that loss. I have never made any money on the stock market. It is a game I play with money and the house always wins.

We knew tariffs were coming. I chose to ride out the dip. I don't see the point in getting all worked up over something I have no control over and will likely improve with time.
2022 was brutal for a lot of people but it wasn’t a reaction to what appears to be a massive policy change we may be stuck with for 4 years along with worsening relations between the US and many ally’s. The rest of the world wasn’t having conferences on how to leave the US out of their trade plans or outright boycotting US products. Nor were we threatening to invade people.

The 2022 tumble to the markets was due to a bunch of different economic markers looking bad (for instance inflation, in the US caused by interest rates being too low for too long) for the entire world not one guy taking a hammer to US trade policy and international relations.

I to hope this is a blip and we otherwise recover and soon, but there’s a reason a lot of economists and wall streeeters are freaking out.

And it’s not just about people’s stock portfolios. Jobs are likely to come next, unless things turn around quickly.
 
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Atrus

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Sanctions on both means there is no trade to tariff.

“U.S. total goods trade with Russia were an estimated $3.5 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to Russia in 2024 were $526.1 million, down 12.3 percent ($73.5 million) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Russia totaled $3.0 billion in 2024, down 34.2 percent ($1.6 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Russia was $2.5 billion in 2024, a 37.5 percent decrease ($1.5 billion) over 2023”

 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Looking at this solely through the lens of market returns infuriates me. You don't just lose your gains. You lose jobs. Retirement plans. Houses. Welfare, Health, and ultimately lives.
And supply chains are disrupted worldwide. Companies supplying us with goods and materials will fail or need to radically restructure overseas. It's not a spigot that can be turned off and on again at a whim.
 

Great Auk

Member
“U.S. total goods trade with Russia were an estimated $3.5 billion in 2024. U.S. goods exports to Russia in 2024 were $526.1 million, down 12.3 percent ($73.5 million) from 2023. U.S. goods imports from Russia totaled $3.0 billion in 2024, down 34.2 percent ($1.6 billion) from 2023. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Russia was $2.5 billion in 2024, a 37.5 percent decrease ($1.5 billion) over 2023”


I know it's not exactly zero. I should have said effectively no trade or de facto no trade.

Trade is down over 90% from its peak I believe. We used to import 30 billion worth of goods in 2021 before the war and now we import like less than 3 billion.
 
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IntentionalPun

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And supply chains are disrupted worldwide. Companies supplying us with goods and materials will fail or need to radically restructure overseas. It's not a spigot that can be turned off and on again at a whim.
Right, things need to be fixed quick or lots of stuff will be fucked medium and long term.

Especially as everyone else in the world adjusts to trading less with the US and start selling more amongst themselves or doing more trade with China.

Trump had to announce a $1 trillion defense budget to stop the defense stocks from tumbling due to the likelihood of various administration actions causing so many to not want to partner with the US on defense.
 

Atrus

Gold Member
I know it's not exactly zero. I should have said effectively no trade or de facto no trade.

Trade is down over 90% from its peak I believe. We used to import 30 billion worth of goods in 2021 before the war and now we import like less than 3 billion.

The statement was that there was no Russian trade to tariff but there is. There are also countries with less trade that the US imposed tariffs on.
 

Great Auk

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The statement was that there was no Russian trade to tariff but there is. There are also countries with less trade that the US imposed tariffs on.

I think energy isn't tariffed? Maybe that's what that tiny amount we get from Russia takes the form of.

For the record I don't agree with the tariffs. I also think Navarro is an idiot.
 

Atrus

Gold Member
I think energy isn't tariffed? Maybe that's what that tiny amount we get from Russia takes the form of.

For the record I don't agree with the tariffs. I also think Navarro is an idiot.


Potash is the largest item at half the imports and enters the US tariff free, whereas Canadian Potash above the CUSMA limit is tariffed.

Even if one excluded Potash, Russian exports would still be larger than some of the countries that were tariffed.
 

Great Auk

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Potash is the largest item at half the imports and enters the US tariff free, whereas Canadian Potash above the CUSMA limit is tariffed.

Even if one excluded Potash, Russian exports would still be larger than some of the countries that were tariffed.

ChatGPT can't get everything right

You're asking for too much.
 
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