Stock-Age: Stocks, Options and Dividends oh my!

just browsing around various boards, social media and news outlets it's quite apparent and eye opening how many people are way too leveraged in the markets these days.

It always seemed insane to me to use leverage on equities, ever. Retail investors shouldn't be playing with that fire, it just isn't worth it.
 
Tbh I find it strange that people talk about cutting out the US all together at this point in time.
I understand the thought but to me it sounds incredibly premature to even just mention such an idea.
Working towards functional independence? Absolutely. But cutting out the US shouldn't even be a thought on anyone's mind for the next 5 years at least, when companies and governments begin to actively work on changing their infrastructure to not rely on them then those points of discussion may become valid imo.
The EU and most of the developed world are very dependent on US services, think of Microsoft, Amazon, Visa, Oracle and all the other major tech and digital money giants that provide critical services to most of the world. And it would take many years to replace that infrastructure. Couple that with the dollar being the world's reserve currency and if Trump decides to go scorched earth and the US collapses in the near future, the whole of the developed world will go down right with them.

I know that sentiments can become heated with these events but now more than ever governments need to be level-headed towards the US and even with trade wars, a resemblance of a relationship with them needs to be maintained.

Except for China maybe, they can perhaps bear the brunt of the impact, but the rest of us? We're as fucked or even more fucked than the US will be if trade stops all together out of nowhere.
 
Looking at this solely through the lens of market returns infuriates me. You don't just lose your gains. You lose jobs. Retirement plans. Houses. Welfare, Health, and ultimately lives.
We have to stay on topic unfortunately. Otherwise this turns political and everyone turns on each other. At least we are somewhat civil in this thread.
 
just browsing around various boards, social media and news outlets it's quite apparent and eye opening how many people are way too leveraged in the markets these days.

It always seemed insane to me to use leverage on equities, ever. Retail investors shouldn't be playing with that fire, it just isn't worth it.

There's a time and place for leverage, but it's very important that you only use a small portion of your overall capital (no more than 5%) and that it's defined risk.

If you're somebody that has to ask what defined risk and how you make sure that's the case then you shouldn't be going anywhere near leverage.

I've seen some insane screenshots in the last few days, people using tons of leverage on already volatile underlying stocks. It's like some of these people never asked themselves "what happens if this doesn't work".

Also, leverage is not and should never be used as a tool for investing, it's a tool for trading.
 
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"China has accused Washington of 'blackmail' and said it will 'fight to the end' after Donald Trump threatened overnight to impose an additional 50 per cent tariff on Chinese imports. At the same time, President Xi Jinping is seeking to present himself as a responsible champion of the international trading system and defender of globalisation against the Trump wrecking ball. Neither position bears scrutiny; the latter is almost laughable, since it is Beijing's persistent disregard of international rules that has fuelled the anger in America in the first place.

As part of its strategy, the Chinese Communist party is seeking to downplay the impact on its 'super economy', as the People's Daily described it at the weekend, insisting the country is strong and resilient. More sympathetic foreign journalists have received tours of high-tech facilities. 'I saw the future. It was not America', declared Thomas Friedman in the New York Times, after he was shown Huawei's Shanghai campus. A credulous Friedman, who praised China's spending splurge after the 2008 global financial crisis and later asked, 'What if we could just be China for a day?', lauded Beijing's efforts at AI-driven innovation in order 'to be permanently liberated from Trump's tariffs'.

There is more than a touch of the Potemkin about this, since China's economy is in a bad way. It is suffering the lingering effects of a property collapse (responsible for a quarter of the economy), heavily indebted and saddled with massive over-capacity. Few companies are making money and Xi's efforts to export his way out of trouble, with heavily subsidised renewable energy tech leading the way, is especially vulnerable to tariffs.

While it is true that Beijing has been preparing for trade hostilities, it is unlikely to have anticipated tariffs on this scale. One tactic has been to shift investment and trade away from the US: China's direct shipments of goods to America as a share of total exports shrank from 19.2 per cent in 2018 to just under 15 per cent in 2024, according to Chinese customs data. Yet much of this has been achieved by transhipping goods via Vietnam, Thailand or other parts of southeast Asia. Chinese investment in this region has soared, but with a heavy emphasis on assembly plants bolting together Chinese components or simply re-badging goods as made somewhere else other than China.

Trump appears to have been wise to this, imposing heavy tariffs – particularly on Vietnam – and trade talks with southeast Asia will no doubt focus on these transhipments. There are signs that these countries are already growing wary of Beijing's investment and the dumping of Chinese-made goods more broadly. According to figures from the World Trade Organisation (WTO), 66 anti-dumping investigations were initiated against China in the first half of 2024 alone, more than in all of 2023. Even Beijing's good friend Russia has got in on the act, initiating a complaint about the flow of cheap Chinese cars into the country. There is little mood for accepting cheap imports that might be redirected from the American market.

Trump's latest threat is to impose an additional 50 per cent tariff (bringing the total to 104 per cent when all tariffs are combined) if China does not retract a 34 per cent tariff on US goods, which it announced last week in response to Trump's imposition of the same figure. Beijing also announced further restrictions on the export of rare earths, which are used in the manufacturing of batteries, electric vehicles and other high-tech goods, and added 16 US companies and organisations to an export control list, which restricts Chinese companies from doing business with them.

'Putting "America First" over international rules is a typical act of unilateralism, protectionism and economic bullying,' said China's Foreign Affairs spokesperson Lin Jian – apparently with a straight face. The reality is, of course, that since it joined the WTO in 2001, Beijing has relentlessly gamed the system, largely ignoring its obligations. As President Barack Obama noted in his memoir A Promised Land, China's rise has been facilitated by systematically 'evading, bending, or breaking just about every agreed-about rule of international commerce'. The cyber theft of technology and other know-how continues on an industrial scale.

In recent weeks Xi has sought to reach out to international businesses, seeking to assure them that China is a welcoming place to invest – having spent much of the last decade oozing hostility towards them. He has also sought to boost the role of private companies, particularly in the tech sector, which under his rule have faced a relentless crackdown, with entrepreneurs purged from the companies they set up – or have simply disappeared.

There's also the option of a sharp devaluation of the Renminbi, China's currency, to help prop up exports by making them even cheaper. This, however, is likely simply to further inflame anger among the increasing ranks of countries annoyed by Chinese dumping.

It all smacks of desperation and not the 'super economy' of CCP propaganda. Xi is unlikely to remove the 34 per cent retaliatory tariffs on US goods as demanded by Trump. That would be an enormous loss of face. Trump, on current form, will go ahead with his additional 50 per cent. Xi could then hit high-profile targets – Apple and Tesla, for instance, both heavily reliant on the Chinese economy. But both have been important partners for Beijing in modernising its technology supply chains and cheerleaders for engagement with China. For all the bravado coming from Beijing, the Chinese economy is highly vulnerable and will come off worse from the slugfest that is now gathering pace."

Great article.

I think this is where most of the damage is coming from. Tariffs on other countries should be lowered or removed if they have no tariffs either.

They should also remove trade barriers and/or regulatory hurdles designed to keep foreign competition from entering a market (they do this with American made cars in Europe for example.)

China though is where the real economic damage is coming from. China was already playing the long game, everyone else was in la la land with their heads in the sand hoping for the best.
 
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That's the 2nd pro-Brexit source posted here in this and they are unsurprisingly in support of this all.

Not going to tell anyone else what to post or listen to but I am gonna take anything from pro-Brexit folks with a huge grain of salt lol
 
That's the 2nd pro-Brexit source posted here in this and they are unsurprisingly in support of this all.

Not going to tell anyone else what to post or listen to but I am gonna take anything from pro-Brexit folks with a huge grain of salt lol
yeah, I mean it's pretty embarassing to be british at times. The vast majority of people that 'voted' for 'brexit' basically had no idea what the fuck it meant, let alone that even now we still haven't really seen much change.

The amount of lies our government put out during that vote was fucking hilarious and people lapped it right up without questionning shit. I was in disbelief for months but it is what it is, lol
 
I guess I have been lucky so far. My stocks are still above their value earlier this year. So for me, my stocks have not dropped that much. I am pretty sure I had seen worse with the last guy.

I am in wait and see mode and I do hold out hope that the market springs back in a few months. But who knows. It is not like the stock market is anything besides legalized gambling and you, as a stock owner, are not guaranteed anything. I had a previous stock in a company that went bankrupt erasing all value. I lost it all. Of all the gains I have made with other stocks over the years, it still has not made up for that loss. I have never made any money on the stock market. It is a game I play with money and the house always wins.

We knew tariffs were coming. I chose to ride out the dip. I don't see the point in getting all worked up over something I have no control over and will likely improve with time.
What is the "house"? If losing money on the stock market is "the house winning", then the exact opposite is true. In the long run, the house always loses.

Investing is not the same as gambling. How do you think pension plans grow and sustain themselves? How do you think people save for retirement? If you've only ever lost money in the markets, then you're doing it wrong.
 
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What is the "house"? If losing money on the stock market is "the house winning", then the exact opposite is true. In the long run, the house always loses.

Investing is not the same as gambling. How do you think pension plans grow and sustain themselves? How do you think people save for retirement? If you've only ever lost money in the markets, then you're doing it wrong.

to be fair, 90% of the liquidity in the markets is pure gambling (leveraged instruments, options, CFD's etc etc.) that is purely there for degenerate hedgefunders to throw billions of client money around all day long with zero fucks given about consequence to the 'real investors' in the market

Stocks like Tesla for example, I would bet my entire portfolio on 364 of the days in a year the price action is being manipulated towards options payouts. It's easy for them to do since they have so much money on the board.

Services like Unusual Whales let small fish like us see where the o ptions flow is moving, kind of like whales and we can barnickle on the trades... but again its a service entirely designed around copying gambling trades. You can win one day but the next you blow up your account. There is an arguement to be made whether or not value investing is even possible anymore, since algorithms control all price action beyond any sense and reason, completely disconnected from 'value' or fundamentals.. I am no expert here but when omegacap stocks like nvidia are moving 7-15% swings in a day almost all logic goes completely out the window.
 
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That's the 2nd pro-Brexit source posted here in this and they are unsurprisingly in support of this all.

Not going to tell anyone else what to post or listen to but I am gonna take anything from pro-Brexit folks with a huge grain of salt lol

If you don't want to bother with the video either because of the speaker and/or it's too long I would recommend that people just watch between the minutes 5:30 to 14:00.

And if you do watch it, let me know if you have any thoughts on that excerpt.
 
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President Donald Trump on Tuesday said the U.S. will soon announce a "major" tariff on pharmaceutical imports.

Speaking to an event at the National Republican Congressional Committee, Trump said the tariff will incentivize drug companies to move their operations to the U.S.


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This is so retarded lol

American medical costs are already so high it should be criminal. He could legit fix this by capping prices of certain medicines or hospital bills, but he does this instead. Drug prices will only go up. Which means everyone's premiums will go up. As if they arent high enough already. This is literally retarded.
 
I would recommend that people just watch between the minutes 5:30 to 14:00.

And if you do watch it, let me know if you have any thoughts on that excerpt.

He's not wrong that this is generally what happened and that the US ceded its manufacturing capabilities because of the incredible profitability of outsourcing. However, I don't think the solution to 40 years of outsourcing is to implement this incredibly punitive tariff system and destabilize global trade and make everyone hate us. I especially am not comfortable when the same people who are trying to make us take our medicine are the same kinds of people from the same ideology that caused this problem in the first place, but just wrapped in a veneer of fake populism and culture war shenanigans.

Free trade, outsourcing, and globalization indeed made us a shitload of money over the years, but most of those gains went to the rich while the middle and lower classes bore the side effects of our disappearing manufacturing base. However, our government doesn't give a shit about middle and lower class people, so they were completely okay with allowing rich people more ways to avoid taxes and run away with their profits while not providing more of a social safety net for the rest of us. Now, they tell us that everything sucks now and in order to fix that we're going to have to implement these tariffs which are basically a gigantic consumption tax that affects mostly low and middle class people while not proving any government assistance for us, actively slashing it (DODGE), and giving their rich buddies more tax cuts.

Can you see how I'm not too confident in their plan as well as their intentions? I have my reasons.
 
He's not wrong that this is generally what happened and that the US ceded its manufacturing capabilities because of the incredible profitability of outsourcing. However, I don't think the solution to 40 years of outsourcing is to implement this incredibly punitive tariff system and destabilize global trade and make everyone hate us. I especially am not comfortable when the same people who are trying to make us take our medicine are the same kinds of people from the same ideology that caused this problem in the first place, but just wrapped in a veneer of fake populism and culture war shenanigans.

Free trade, outsourcing, and globalization indeed made us a shitload of money over the years, but most of those gains went to the rich while the middle and lower classes bore the side effects of our disappearing manufacturing base. However, our government doesn't give a shit about middle and lower class people, so they were completely okay with allowing rich people more ways to avoid taxes and run away with their profits while not providing more of a social safety net for the rest of us. Now, they tell us that everything sucks now and in order to fix that we're going to have to implement these tariffs which are basically a gigantic consumption tax that affects mostly low and middle class people while not proving any government assistance for us, actively slashing it (DODGE), and giving their rich buddies more tax cuts.

Can you see how I'm not too confident in their plan as well as their intentions? I have my reasons.
I'm just going on gut feeling here, but I think all the outsourcing over the past 40 or 50 years would be much more tolerable for the US and deficits if they could skew more to higher end products and services.

Problem is the US is 330M people, there's tons of lower skilled workers. So you need a big sector of lower skilled and wage jobs they can handle. On the extreme end, I dont a feeling places like Luxembourg or Lichenstein give a shit about lower value industries. The countries are small, easier for gov to handle, crime is low and industry seems to skew more to higher value products/services and have no problem importing what they need. And the populace and gov can handle it.
 
What everyone needs to pay attention to:

Chinese exports to the U.S. account for about 3 percentage points of China's total GDP, Goldman said, noting that includes 2.35 percentage points of domestic value add and 0.65 percentage point of associated manufacturing investment.


And:

  • In 2024, the U.S. imported $438.9 billion from China totaling 13.4% of all goods imports.


This idea that the US are doing this from a position of strength is nonsensical and not grounded in fact or reality.
 
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Im all for picking a fight with China. I fucking hate china. Lying, cheating, covid spreading, IP stealing sons of bitches. Im all for picking a trade war with China, but you dont do it by picking a fight with your allies AND China. You get your allies onboard with tariffs or sanctions or whatever the fuck you want to do, but you do it together. The West vs the East, and im sure you get India, Japan, South Korea, Indonesia onboard as well. They hate China too.

This aint it. This is literally the stupidest thing you could do. Now those same countries are incentivized to partner up with China to fight the U.S tariffs.
 
I would sit out a bit longer when it comes to US equities. The question a lot of macro economists ask themselves is if there will be a big rotation or not (and I do not believe anyone really has the answer to that) i.e., that the overallocation in USD denominated assets come to an end (at least to some extent). Then we are in unchartered territory.

It will take some time to know the answer to that question. The clearest sign will be if you see a increase in US bond yields at some point despite the assumed inflationary pressure and downward trend in US equities (that means that there is a net sell pressure in USD bonds). Then it is time to buckle up.
Just to point out what some of you might have realised on the macro-side. Over the last days of trading the worst case signals have started to blink red a bit carefully in the background. In other words, markets have gone down at the same time as interest rates have gone up as I wrote above.

No need to declare nuclear meltdown yet but it is a very very bad sign.
 
Trump just said that leaders from other countries have been calling him nonstop and 'kissing my ass' to make a deal. If true, the other countries might fold. EU already floated the idea of zero for zero tariffs. Who knows when other countries fold. Lets hope its sooner rather than later.
 
Trump just said that leaders from other countries have been calling him nonstop and 'kissing my ass' to make a deal. If true, the other countries might fold. EU already floated the idea of zero for zero tariffs. Who knows when other countries fold. Lets hope its sooner rather than later.
The problem in the case of EU is - fold about what? The average tariff was just above 1.5% on goods from the US to the EU (think it was 1.6% or so). That is nothing and the EU offered to push it to 0%. The US rejected that.

And given how public the spat with China is, they will not fold. China knows they have the upper hand in this fight which makes it so weird from a US perspective.

It is the lack of rationality that rattles the markets. Without a rational foundation, uncertainty goes through the roof. It is very hard to understand how this will play out apart from increasing prices/inflation in the US, reduction in equity pricing, reduced US productivity (reduction in GDP) and decreased demand for US debt. And when all those parts move at once like that, every model that the markets run falls apart = complete uncertainty about fall-out. How do you even price that?
 
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The problem in the case of EU is - fold about what? The average tariff was just above 1.5% on goods from the US to the EU (think it was 1.6% or so). That is nothing and the EU offered to push it to 0%. The US rejected that.

And given how public the spat with China is, they will not fold. China knows they have the upper hand in this fight which makes it so weird from a US perspective.

It is the lack of rationality that rattles the markets. Without a rational foundation, uncertainty goes through the roof. It is very hard to understand how this will play out apart from increasing prices/inflation in the US, reduction in equity pricing, reduced US productivity (reduction in GDP) and decreased demand for US debt. And when all those parts move at once like that, every model that the markets run falls apart = complete uncertainty about fall-out. How do you even price that?

Trump said the EU should buy $350B worth of energy from America. Which is the vast majority of the energy the EU buys in total. And its over $300B more than the US currently exports....so the US doesn't even have the energy to sell the EU Trump is demanding they buy.

Its baffling.
 
Trump just said that leaders from other countries have been calling him nonstop and 'kissing my ass' to make a deal. If true, the other countries might fold. EU already floated the idea of zero for zero tariffs. Who knows when other countries fold. Lets hope its sooner rather than later.

Best case scenario is that the EU drops its tariff rates from 1.5% to 0.5% or something, Trump pretends they dropped it from 30% to 0.5% and scores a political victory at home, proclaims himself the world's best negotiator, and all it really cost us was trillions of dollars.
 
Trump just said that leaders from other countries have been calling him nonstop and 'kissing my ass' to make a deal. If true, the other countries might fold. EU already floated the idea of zero for zero tariffs. Who knows when other countries fold. Lets hope its sooner rather than later.
The EU already offered eliminating all tariffs way before these new tariffs. They also offered to buy billion of dollars more LNG from the USA on the very day Trump got elected. If he tries to spin this as proof as the tariffs forcing the EU to negotiate on this then that is plain wrong. He also wants the EU to eliminate VAT on American goods and lower health standards, but those two items will never happen.
 
Powell now has a difficult choice to make - bailout the big hedgies or allow trumps tradewar to continue. They were all were betting on the price difference between U.S. Treasury bonds and futures and got blown up by this orange swan.

if the Federal Reserve doesn't act fast, the whole money system could get into even bigger trouble in the coming days. China has the ability to crash the lot by dumping their treasuries. TLDR We now have another problem -- The basis trade Is blowing up, which could lead to multi-trillion dollar hedgefund liiquidations.
 
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Powell now has a difficult choice to make - bailout the big hedgies or allow trumps tradewar to continue. They were all were betting on the price difference between U.S. Treasury bonds and futures and got blown up by this orange swan.

if the Federal Reserve doesn't act fast, the whole money system could get into even bigger trouble in the coming days. China has the ability to crash the lot by dumping their treasuries. TLDR We now have another problem -- The basis trade Is blowing up, which could lead to multi-trillion dollar hedgefund liiquidations.

So is Trump for or against the rich with this tariffs plan? Your first sentence suggests he's not. People who hate the guy always somehow tie every action he takes as if it's to benefit himself or the rich.

Meanwhile I'm reading that to pay for the tax cuts he wants to extend, he and others are floating the idea to let the tax cuts on the rich to expire while keeping the rest intact. They also want to increase the child tax credit.

Tariffs are making hedge fund managers and billionaires scared and pissed, and now they might let tax cuts for the rich expire.

Weird for a guy only interested to enrich himself and his rich buddies like I always hear.
 
So is Trump for or against the rich with this tariffs plan? Your first sentence suggests he's not. People who hate the guy always somehow tie every action he takes as if it's to benefit himself or the rich.

Meanwhile I'm reading that to pay for the tax cuts he wants to extend, he and others are floating the idea to let the tax cuts on the rich to expire while keeping the rest intact. They also want to increase the child tax credit.

Tariffs are making hedge fund managers and billionaires scared and pissed, and now they might let tax cuts for the rich expire.

Weird for a guy only interested to enrich himself and his rich buddies like I always hear.

You might find this interesting:

 
Via BBC.

12:09 Breaking


China's finance ministry has announced an 84% tariff on all goods imported from the US.

The ministry says that these new charges will take effect from 12:01 CST (05:00 BST) on 10 April.

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Up from 34 percent.
 
The Chinese won't back down.

Saving face is ingrained into Asian culture and a regime like the CCP is willing to make any sacrifice to the well being of its people in a way an American President cannot.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
 
The Chinese won't back down.

Saving face is ingrained into Asian culture and a regime like the CCP is willing to make any sacrifice to the well being of its people
in a way an American President cannot.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

It's interesting you say that, it's almost as if there was a reason high level academic institutions have been teaching the American youth to hate their own country. Looks like other countries know that that is probably a bad idea and really bad for long term stability and resilience.
 
Trump just said that leaders from other countries have been calling him nonstop and 'kissing my ass' to make a deal. If true, the other countries might fold. EU already floated the idea of zero for zero tariffs. Who knows when other countries fold. Lets hope its sooner rather than later.
EU doesnt seem to fold.

 
Long term bonds are up, but medium term treasuries like notes and bills are relatively flat still. I have all my money in T-bills for the last couple of years in a ladder. I'm ok with a stable 4 to 5.5% return (depending on the time period.)
 
The Chinese won't back down.

Saving face is ingrained into Asian culture and a regime like the CCP is willing to make any sacrifice to the well being of its people in a way an American President cannot.

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
While true, they're also in complete control over the media and all public sentiment. Because of that, I think they're likely in a position where they could reach find a mutually beneficial agreement with the US, and then easily sell their citizens on the fact that they won and crushed the Americans in the negotiations.
 
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Question, if people always say that tariffs only hurt the country that implements them and its people, then why are other countrues so quick to implement their own counter tariffs? By that logic, aren't they just causing self-inflicted wounds to themeselves as well?

Why wouldn't they just let the country that proposes the tariffs suffer if tariffs are only bad and hurt their own people?
 
Question, if people always say that tariffs only hurt the country that implements them and its people, then why are other countrues so quick to implement their own counter tariffs? By that logic, aren't they just causing self-inflicted wounds to themeselves as well?

Why wouldn't they just let the country that proposes the tariffs suffer if tariffs are only bad and hurt their own people?

2 reasons: to pre-emptively balance any potential trade deficit, and protectionism (why should our domestic companies be exposed to competition from companies in your country while yours aren't).
 
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Question, if people always say that tariffs only hurt the country that implements them and its people, then why are other countrues so quick to implement their own counter tariffs? By that logic, aren't they just causing self-inflicted wounds to themeselves as well?

Why wouldn't they just let the country that proposes the tariffs suffer if tariffs are only bad and hurt their own people?
It's to cause mutual pain to get both sides to the negotiating table so that the original tariffs get removed. Also, there's domestic politics at work. A leader can't be seen as weak and having just taken a tariff broadside without having responded in any way.
 
It's to cause mutual pain to get both sides to the negotiating table so that the original tariffs get removed. Also, there's domestic politics at work. A leader can't be seen as weak and having just taken a tariff broadside without having responded in any way.

It's typically a lot more complex than that, especially when the recipient of the original tarrifs doesn't care and/or is not willing to negotiate.
 
Question, if people always say that tariffs only hurt the country that implements them and its people, then why are other countrues so quick to implement their own counter tariffs? By that logic, aren't they just causing self-inflicted wounds to themeselves as well?

Why wouldn't they just let the country that proposes the tariffs suffer if tariffs are only bad and hurt their own people?

Two things can be true at the same time:

a) The consumer / importer is the one who bears the direct financial cost of tariffs, by having to purchase more expensive items now. It is, effectively, a new tax.

b) The exporter / vendor faces lower sales as a result of the tariffs on their products, because higher prices tend to reduce sales in most cases (except for essential items that people can't live without, of course).

Trade wars are mutually hurtful.
 
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Question, if people always say that tariffs only hurt the country that implements them and its people, then why are other countrues so quick to implement their own counter tariffs? By that logic, aren't they just causing self-inflicted wounds to themeselves as well?
No one argues that. US tariffs is an import tax payed for by Americans. However, it will reduce imports and also hurt others. Mostly it hurts the productivity of the country implementing them (so GDP down by some amount) but that might be offset by protecting a specific group/sector (e.g., domestic farming) for that country. It is in that context that tariffs on everything against everyone is a weird policy (such as in this case).

The trade war as such then becomes a political power struggle where no one wants to look weak etc. So reciprocal tariffs is much more about political capital as well causing additional political pain for the leader that started the trade war (in this case Trump). What we are seeing is not a rational set of policies facing off - we see two opponents playing a chicken race with political capital as the barrier. Who runs out first?
 
2 reasons: to pre-emptively balance any potential trade deficit, and protectionism (why should our domestic companies be exposed to competition from companies in your country while yours aren't).

The US already has a trade deficit with most industrialized nations, so does that mean US tariffs on at least those countrues are justified?
 
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