Former Concord developer speaks on the failure of Concord, asks people to give Marathon a chance

I'm so thankful to find out that the world doesn't revolve around the sun, it revolves around the former Firewalk Studios devs.
 
Sebastian1295 said:
marathon is an extraction shooter with a massive budget
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I commend them (Bungie not the players) for taking a chance, trying something foreign to them, that isn't proven, nor guaranteed to succeed. It takes a lot of courage.

He's not asking anything from people, besides being kind, OP title is wrong.
 
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Well, their heart's in the right place, but this kind of plea is doing the exact opposite of helping. Bungie and Sony are probably praying no one utters their names in the same breath as Concord right now.
 
Please think of the multi-billion dollar company that apes RNG and micro transactions akin to gambling. Just one chance for the Halo zeitgeist creator.

Fucking please.
 
Aha! I see it now. So this artstyle, like I said, are texture placeholders after all. For Concord 2. Nice try, buddy.
 
Peroroncino said:
Concord developer

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Quite a few Concord devs were ex-Bungie devs. It's why the gunplay was solid and the game ran smoothly, regardless of unappealing character design.

It's the video game equivalent of when a movie feels like everyone in the visual effects, sound, and direction departments showing up and doing their job amazingly, and then the most important domino, the writers, didn't do a good enough job. A good example would be Star Wars: The Last Jedi.
 
Grizzled Ghost said:
I think the real problem is that that group is the overwhelming majority, and nothing that Bungie has shown is convincing them otherwise.
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I think the group who are the overwhelming majority are Fortnite, GTA:O, and CoD players.

I think the group who is paying attention the most to Bungie (and are preemptively dunking on this game) are not the above. This game barely blipped on the radar of the above group.
 
nikos said:
One game is absolutely nothing like the other. No clue why people started comparing them.
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I don't think anyone's been comparing the two games.

The blue haired pronoun land whale just wanted to make it about himself.

In short, narcissism.
 
Killjoy-NL said:
True.

But I think we can all agree that it's pathetic for a bunch of grown men to still hold a grudge towards a game while the world moved on?
The haters are literally the ones keeping it alive.
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Concord is a symbol—a representation of the things it was made of. People will reference it for a while, then something else will come along, and then something else after that, and so on. Eventually, one day, a Concord reference will be considered a deep cut.

But today is not that day.
 
T-0800 said:
I really liked Concord but the game needed a single player campaign to draw people in.
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Highly agreed about Campaign as I played the beta but instantly put it down due to not liking typical hero PvP. I heard good things about Concord lore, specifically world lore, and it was a shame for all of that lore to be wasted on small bits of dialogue or a tiny cutscene before a PvP match.

Also new I.P.s can benefit from a good campaign.
 
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realcool said:
Concord is a symbol—a representation of the things it was made of. People will reference it for a while, then something else will come along, and then something else after that, and so on. Eventually, one day, a Concord reference will be considered a deep cut.

But today is not that day.
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You're kinda proving my point.

Concord isn't a symbol of any kind. It's just a failed project most people probably have already long forgotten about.
 
realcool said:
Concord is a symbol—a representation of the things it was made of. People will reference it for a while, then something else will come along, and then something else after that, and so on. Eventually, one day, a Concord reference will be considered a deep cut.

But today is not that day.
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It may never be the day unless people give the moment breathing room. Things become a more memorable joke/meme with time, not with forced attempts at every waking opportunity.
 
Grizzled Ghost said:
Extraction shooters are a subset, of a subset of shooter games that cater to the hardcore. The punishing gameplay loop makes it unlikely it will ever really find significant mainstream success. I would think the periodic resets would be a deal breaker for even many of Bungies biggest fans, as Destiny players are notorious loot hoarders.
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Battle royale shooters are a subset, of a subset of shooter games that cater to the hardcore. The punishing gameplay loop makes it unlikely it will ever really find significant mainstream success. I would think that half-an-hour, one hundred people matches in which only one player would be the winner would be a deal breaker for even many of the biggest shooters enthusiasts, as they are notorious for their competitivity in trying to come out on top of all others.
 
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Perrott said:
Battle royale shooters are a subset, of a subset of shooter games that cater to the hardcore. The punishing gameplay loop makes it unlikely it will ever really find significant mainstream success. I would think that half-an-hour, one hundred people matches in which only one player would be the winner would be a deal breaker for even many of the biggest shooters enthusiasts, as they are notorious for their competitivity in trying to come out on top of all others.

It's the kind of game where a few successful smaller dev teams can live high off the hog with a relatively small, loyal audience, but not one where a company like Krafton can justify investing hundreds of millions.

At least I don't think so. Perhaps PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds will surprise me and become a smash hit.
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Your argument seems super solid except for a few key words.

Lets hope Marathon finds similar unprecedented success, in a less approachable genre, and in a couple years Sony might start turning a profit on their $3.6 billion Bungie accusation, assuming they haven't further invested a dime since purchasing them.
 
Killjoy-NL said:
You're kinda proving my point.

Concord isn't a symbol of any kind. It's just a failed project most people probably have already long forgotten about.
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Its iconic in its failure.

Your attempts at trying to make people forget it will result in more high profile failures like it aka Marathon.

BTW fun to see your Marathon defense. A change of pace for you from mindless "xbox game is mid" posts.
 
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vaibhavpisal said:
Its iconic in its failure.

Your attempts at trying to make people forget it will result in more high profile failures like it aka Marathon.

BTW fun to see your Marathon defense. A change of pace for you from mindless "xbox game is mid" posts.
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I'm not defending Concord at all. It failed for good reason and the closure of Firewalk was the only logical outcome.

If anything, thanks to Concord failing (although I enjoyed it for what it was and got 50hrs enjoyment out of it), I got my money refunded, which I then used to buy Hunt Showdown.
Turned out I like extraction shooters, putting Marathon on my radar and going by all the info, Marathon seems to address some of my major gripes with Hunt.

So, Concord's failure is a W for me personally.
 
If Marathon deserves it, it will find its success.

As for this developer, I wish him better luck on the next project he will be working on.
 
This is just a Bungie dev playing 4D chess to deflect blame for Concord's failure and Faction's cancellation. Nice try.

Source
 
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Killjoy-NL said:
vaibhavpisal vaibhavpisal It's fine if you're having fun now. No skin off my back.

Just watch Marathon outperform all those amazing Xbox titles of yours later this year.😉
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Apples to oranges comparison.

Gamepass vs non gamepass titles cannot be compared.

Also combined budget of all xbox titles must be lower than Marathon alone releasing this year. Including Doom.
 
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The art direction is so aggressively ugly I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole.
Bungie is probably very proud of the androgynous "neon kabuki" look, good for them!
 
If the community of gamers on all platforms are naturally coming to a conclusion, then it's probably more that they are noticing similarities between the titles rather than "punishing the devs".

Gamers actually just want games to be awesome. it's silly to view criticism as antagonistic, rather than helpful, even if the criticism is crass or poorly executed.

They are both PvP(mostly) GAAS titles that are "premium-priced" experiences with fairly garish art styles and unappealing characters chasing gaming trends from 5 years prior, both (seemingly) releasing with barebones content and a promise of MTX and Battlepasses, whilst being in development for more than 6 years, and so on.

I absolutely see why people would call this Concord 2.0, and to be honest, I'm not far off from seeing it that way myself. My one holdout is that Bungie gameplay is top of the biz in terms of FPS control, so I'm willing to give it a shot on that alone.
 
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I should not feel too much sympathy.

These are profit-seeking corporations. They have a small army of market researchers and PR departments. If those departments are so dysfunctional that they cannot accurately assess market conditions, or fail to treat their potential customers with respect (and, in some cases, actively denounces them on social media), that's their fault.

If the executive branch allows a corporate culture to flourish where they are completely disconnected from the industry and it's consumer base, while also allowing maximalists to infiltrate their organisation, that's on them.

Corporations are meant to respond to customer conditions. Customers should not be expected to respond to corporate conditions.

If they cannot understand this simple fact, they will fail.
 
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I'm going to get the game , because I didn't entirely dislike what I saw other than the hero shooter part. Which it is also, because your choosing pre made characters your not making your own.

I can accept my stuff being wiped when the next season comes around.

That being said....



I'm guessing most of the stuff talked about in this vid is fairly standard in extraction shooters correct. Im interested too see more, but this is also coming from someones whose more PVE more casual player.

But is this interesting toward the hardcore? is there enough of a hook for those players who do play extraction shooters outside of just the extraction shooter but sci-fi version.....
 
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ZehDon said:
It's not about punishing others - it's about once bit, twice shy. It's called poisoning the well. You can't have the media gaslighting players, publishers ignoring players, and Devs being outright and openly hostile to players without players taking a step back. And since players are the ones who pay for the entire industry, that has serious repercussions.
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This,so much! They fucked around so much that now that they found out the player voices actually matter to their sales they play the victim card!
 
Unfortunately, seeing the reaction to this statement online, looks like this has only cemented the relationship between Concord and Marathon. I'm not sure I see the reason for the entanglement myself, but looks like it's pretty solidified now - people are now waiting to see if this is the next Concord. That's feels like a bigger problem than I figured it might be; Bungie have to sell an already seemingly hard sell, and now they're in the long shadow of Concord.

Can't imagine that's morale boosting for the devs; pulling the curtain back after all these years, their huge expensive reveal, ready to show the world their next billion dollar franchise... and it landed with a wet thud and is being dubbed "Concord 2.0". Gamers don't pull their punches, son. Best of luck to the Bungie team on this one.
 
The videogame industry is literally the only industry in the world where deeply flawed products are sold (often at premium prices) and when people get annoyed about the product being flawed the producers go "you know, at least we tried. Making games is hard. We really did our best".

Imagine buying a car and the headlights are busted no matter what you try, you think the car manufacturer can get away with an "hey man building cars is pretty difficult"? Of course not, they'd be obliterated. As they should.

Fuck off with this nonsense. Nobody cares that you struggled to make this videogame. "It takes a lot of courage to make a game", are you fucking serious right now?
 
I just can't understand they are charging for this garbage. If it was F2P it might have had a chance but now? No fucking way.

I'm pretty hooked on Delta force extraction shooter, but that's F2P and I would've never even tried it if I had to pay for it.
 
PR managers at Bungie/Sony when anyone associated with Concord touches anything "Marathon" with any form of public attention.

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If I see someone associated with Concord asking to give xy a chance I´ll not do it even harder.....
 
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Sabejita said:
I commend them (Bungie not the players) for taking a chance, trying something foreign to them, that isn't proven, nor guaranteed to succeed. It takes a lot of courage.

He's not asking anything from people, besides being kind, OP title is wrong.
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It takes a lot of courage to make crap games apparently. Developers stop listening to gamers a long time ago and that's what's wrong with the gaming industry right now. It's all trend chasing. Making games to impress shareholders and not gamers.
 
Lukaku's First Touch said:
I just can't understand they are charging for this garbage. If it was F2P it might have had a chance but now? No fucking way.

I'm pretty hooked on Delta force extraction shooter, but that's F2P and I would've never even tried it if I had to pay for it.
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I think with a game like this FTP brings its own problems.

Low barrier for entry encourages more cheaters.

Also the likelyhood of casual folks downloading it giving it one game and deciding its not for them could be high and lead to a lot of bad word of mouth. Maybe? Just speculation on my part.


Delta Force is a full package so is a little different imo. Folks can jump between modes until they find something they like.
 
I commend them for taking a chance, trying something foreign to them, that isn't proven, nor guaranteed to succeed.
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Something foreign to Bungie? Who asked for this?

People want either some improved Destiny or some kind of thing as good as Halo.

Isn't Marathon similar to Warframe anyways? A F2P game that has found its own place?
 
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SJRB said:
The videogame industry is literally the only industry in the world where deeply flawed products are sold (often at premium prices) and when people get annoyed about the product being flawed the producers go "you know, at least we tried. Making games is hard. We really did our best".

Imagine buying a car and the headlights are busted no matter what you try, you think the car manufacturer can get away with an "hey man building cars is pretty difficult"? Of course not, they'd be obliterated. As they should.

Fuck off with this nonsense. Nobody cares that you struggled to make this videogame. "It takes a lot of courage to make a game", are you fucking serious right now?
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Jack Black said basically exactly this about the reaction to the Minecraft movie trailer.

However, while you can argue that movies quality, you certainly can't deny it's success. Which goes a long way to silence critics.
 
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