Former Concord developer speaks on the failure of Concord, asks people to give Marathon a chance

Killjoy-NL said:
Concord isn't a symbol of any kind.
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Wouldn't that make this dev's statement incoherent?
After reading the comments about Marathon being Concord 2.0 on reddit, youtube, and twitch
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What does Concord 2.0 mean if Concord is not a symbol?

Killjoy-NL said:
It's just a failed project most people probably have already long forgotten about.
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Well, to you, Concord is a failed project, but to everybody else... Concord is a failed project. I see some common ground there. I think you guys can mend fences. :)

March Climber said:
It may never be the day unless people give the moment breathing room. Things become a more memorable joke/meme with time, not with forced attempts at every waking opportunity.
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You might get a break from Concord references if they move on to Marathon references.
 
Bungie right now:
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Meanwhile chuds smelling marathon's blood already:
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realcool said:
Wouldn't that make this dev's statement incoherent?

What does Concord 2.0 mean if Concord is not a symbol?
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Not at all.

It means it's a symbol to some people who somehow turned it into a symbol when 99.9% of people don't care either way.
realcool said:
Well, to you, Concord is a failed project, but to everybody else... Concord is a failed project. I see some common ground there. I think you guys can mend fences. :)
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There is nothing to mend. I never was in disagreement with anyone on Concord, except maybe for saying the core gameplay was solid.
realcool said:
You might get a break from Concord references if they move on to Marathon references.
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Idc either way. I'll just point out how pathetic it is sometimes.
 
Holammer said:
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The art direction is so aggressively ugly I wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole.
Bungie is probably very proud of the androgynous "neon kabuki" look, good for them!
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Imagine gambling the staff's livelihoods on it though, which is effectively what they're doing. When I saw the purposefully conspicuous pronoun listings on the reveal video the other day, I was like, why would you? In this climate. It's playing with fiscal fire purely for thin political statement value - on a multi million dollar consumer product in a medium which is notoriously struggling with this precise dogma probably more than in any other industry.

Bungie's arrogance is of the scale. The devs who may or may not lose their jobs should be blaming the game's director, and certainly not the [lack of] players, should that occur.
 
Same ol G said:
Seeing as you're a former Concord dev.
Why didn't you the listen to the gamers who were telling you that the game was bad, why force woke shit while seeing how gamers react to that.
It's a bit hard to listen to a former Concord dev while this same studio gave a middle finger to all the gamers and stuck their hand in the sand for critisism
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Coz he didint give a damn, was working secure highpaying job in air conditioned office for years, those leftists devs got hubris bigger than hillary clinton :D
 
PeteBull said:
Coz he didint give a damn, was working secure highpaying job in air conditioned office for years, those leftists devs got hubris bigger than hillary clinton :D
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I don't know if I'd describe any job in the video game industry as "secure" these days.

Unless you work for Sony Bend, of course, for whatever reason.
 
I think a crime on par with releasing Concord is to quote the whole thing using center line alignment. Fix that, OP.​

On topic: it's no devs fault but Ryan's and Hulst's. They decided to bet the whole gaming division on GaaS and they lost that bet big time. Now you can't stop the train and Marathon and Fairgames are going to be in the crash. You got paid for your years developing the game and for sure it's not your fault the business model is widely hated and overused. But in no way the players are responsible for maintaining afloat bad ideas.

The Desgner Republic aesthetic is top notch, tho. I don't care what you say.
 
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Grizzled Ghost said:
I think the real problem is that that group is the overwhelming majority, and nothing that Bungie has shown is convincing them otherwise.
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People crapped on destiny 2 for years and years but it's been one of the most successful live service games in recent memory. If this game comes out to great reviews, good content, and great gunplay then i think it'll succeed. It also helps that this game is launching on every platform known to man day 1 so that they can capture the biggest audience possible for it at launch.
 
Make it not shit and you will find an audience. Make it shit and you won't.

Oh and keeping your opinionated Dev members off social media might help too. Especially if they hate the people who ultimately fund your business.
 
Saying that anyone is taking a risk with Concord or Marathon is dishonest. It's not a creative risk at all. You're chasing market trends. The only risk here is that you are trying to compete for a market that is either dominated by a bigger, better and older game or market that is already saturated. The reason games like this get the greenlight is because they're just pitching a game that sounds like Fortnite or Warzone. The pitch is safe from the prespective of someone who has no finger on the pulse.

The streamers/twitteroids etc will only impact the initial impression of a game. But in the end good games will rise to the top and the bad ones will flopp. But I'm not exactly surprised that a Concord dev has a weird take on what happened to their own game.
 
Sebastian1295 said:
People crapped on destiny 2 for years and years but it's been one of the most successful live service games in recent memory. If this game comes out to great reviews, good content, and great gunplay then i think it'll succeed. It also helps that this game is launching on every platform known to man day 1 so that they can capture the biggest audience possible for it at launch.
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Yeah, and most of the people crapping in Destiny 2 were the people actually playing it. It remains to be seen if the masochism of the Bungie player base can tolerate their newest achievement in gaasadism.
 
Grizzled Ghost said:
Yeah, and most of the people crapping in Destiny 2 were the people actually playing it. It remains to be seen if the masochism of the Bungie player base can tolerate their newest achievement in gaasadism.
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The destiny 2 community is more so mad that destiny 2 is winding down after all this time essentially because bungie are focusing on marathon. Destiny 2 had its run but it's time to put it out to the pasture. If bungie throws there entire support behind marathon 'i expect they will' then they could succeed especially if the story content is good which you mentioned in one of ur previous posts.
 
DenchDeckard said:
We, as consumers are now being asked to give products a chance.....

What the fuck happened to our hobbie.
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Honestly great that market has shifted this way. We've been eating more and more shit since the horse armor.

This game has seemingly no content at release. Will most likely be full of *optional* purchases such as skins and weapon wraps. And they want full retail price for a game that we won't own, and with servers that inevitably be taken offline within the next 10 years.

It dosen't matter how hard you tried or how much time you spent building something if you're asking for someones money. How are the developers not understanding this?
 
Sebastian1295 said:
The destiny 2 community is more so mad that destiny 2 is winding down after all this time essentially because bungie are focusing on marathon. Destiny 2 had its run but it's time to put it out to the pasture. If bungie throws there entire support behind marathon 'i expect they will' then they could succeed especially if the story content is good which you mentioned in one of ur previous posts.
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I did mention that, but kind of as a pie-in the sky scenario that I doubt will happen.

To be completely serious here for a moment, I do not want to see Bungie fail, at all. They have consistently had some of the best gunplay and encounter design in FPS. From what they have shown though, I have serious concerns about their ability to succeed with this IP. And even in a scenario where it is a break out hit, I still don't see myself wanting to play it, which is a bummer.
 
Hi, I´m a Concord dev

We know gamers like masculine competent good looking male and feminine beautiful female characters. We feel you, and did our best with a few little nuances:
We didn´t make the male characters masculine because that would be homophobic.
We didn´t make them competent because that would be patriarchal.
We didn´t make them good looking because it would be uglyphobic.
We didn´t make female characters feminine because that´s transphobic, patriarchal and perpetuates misogynistic gender roles.
We didn´t make them beautiful because that´s objectification and feeds your incel male gaze.
We actually made the opposite of what you wanted, making females masculine, males feminine, and all characters kind of androgynous to not feed your transphobia.

We could have made this characters in addition to the ones you prefer but then you would only use the traditionally stereotyped ones because everything you like is wrong, so we can´t do that.
In short, you are a monster and we are better than you.

Please be kind and buy our game, thank you.
 
David Ricardo said:
Hi, I´m a Concord dev

We know gamers like masculine competent good looking male and feminine beautiful female characters. We feel you, and did our best with a few little nuances:
We didn´t make the male characters masculine because that would be homophobic.
We didn´t make them competent because that would be patriarchal.
We didn´t make them good looking because it would be uglyphobic.
We didn´t make female characters feminine because that´s transphobic, patriarchal and perpetuates misogynistic gender roles.
We didn´t make them beautiful because that´s objectification and feeds your incel male gaze.
We actually made the opposite of what you wanted, making females masculine, males feminine, and all characters kind of androgynous to not feed your transphobia.

We could have made this characters in addition to the ones you prefer but then you would only use the traditionally stereotyped ones because everything you like is wrong, so we can´t do that.
In short, you are a monster and we are better than you.

Please be kind and buy our game, thank you.
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When you put it that way it makes a lot of sense. Who should I make the reparations check out to?
 
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ZehDon said:
It's not about punishing others - it's about once bit, twice shy. It's called poisoning the well. You can't have the media gaslighting players, publishers ignoring players, and Devs being outright and openly hostile to players without players taking a step back. And since players are the ones who pay for the entire industry, that has serious repercussions.
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How did Bungie bite you?
 
Im down to clown bitches! No but seriously though, the game look like it will be pure shit. Imagine working at the shit company bungie of today and knowing that everything you put out is shit compared to the legends that worked there when Bungie was a force to be counting on.
 
One of concords main mistakes was to be premium priced. Seems like bungie is doing the same mistake tho and after Concord failure, I won't buy any Sony mp game day.
 
I commend them for taking a chance, trying something foreign to them, that isn't proven, nor guaranteed to succeed.
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It takes a lot of courage.
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This dude talking about making a videogame as if they were going to fight in a war or something.
 
March Climber said:
I think the group who are the overwhelming majority are Fortnite, GTA:O, and CoD players.

I think the group who is paying attention the most to Bungie (and are preemptively dunking on this game) are not the above. This game barely blipped on the radar of the above group.
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Yep, that's exactly the issue here. Throw in some folks on Counter-Strike, PubG, Apex and Overwatch and you probably have majority of MP market in the West.

Are these players likely to be drawn to Marathon? I am thinking that's unlikely. Like others said, if this was a game in tight budget by small team, it could have carved a niche market.

But a game like Marathon with a budget of several hundred $million with hundreds of devs is not likely to be profitable here. Because even if it's good (I have some doubts), extraction shooter genre is very niche.
 
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As if anyone should listen to someone that was responsible for Concord lol. Sure if it's from one that constantly make awesome games and thought a another game from a different company is great and that u should give it a chance than that might be worth listening to but definitely not from someone who made one of the worse craps of all times. That would just generate the opposite reaction so people will instead do the opposite of what this guy suggest.

If I was the boss of Marathon than I definitely wouldn't want this guy speaking for me. Marathon at least looks better than Concord but both still looks like crap.
 
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While I appreciate the sentiment, Marathon will be judged on it's own merits and value. If it's a lame GaaS shooter that's too thin to justify it's asking price while not being interesting enough to draw people away from the other shooters they're playing, then it will achieve the success it deserves - just like Concord.

Bungie chose to go down this road. Players were not asking them to make one of these games. The player base would have been more excited if they took Marathon and made a traditional single-player campaign with a great set of multi-player modes. Halo has fallen into irrelevance. I feel like Bungie could have come out with the message that they were going to step into that space and players would have been more interested in checking out what they had to offer.
 
Assuming against all my judgment that this is a real post, it's fine I guess but will not influence the people he wants to influence. I thought Concord looked okay honestly at times. Not for me, really derivative of Guardians of the Galaxy, some super cringy dialogue, but I didn't see zero worth. I think Sony made the wrong call and scrapping a fully completed game with content ready to roll out was stupid. They should have just put it on PS+ and let people play it. Or made it f2p. Or lowered the price to $10. They didn't even try anything and hung their own team out to dry after paying to complete a year of content and selling it to people and marketing it.

As for Marathon, I guess we'll see. I'm not planning on buying it ever but I'm not the target audience. I never bought Destiny. I don't like PvP FPS a ton. I think the art design is actually incredibly cool and impressive. I think it's bold and really a lot more sophisticated than people give it credit for. It's use of color I compare to purposefully dissonant notes in a metal song, with purposefully "ugly" and clashing color choice elements that I think are really fresh but probably going over the head of casual consumers honestly. I don't play extraction shooters so I really don't have any informed opinion on the gameplay overall. Bungie shooting will be good I'm sure so I guess we'll see.
 
Sure thing, I will give it chance.....if is F2P.
If is not I have a lot of F2P options out there. And mean no F2P shit like "Desteny" .
 
Is funny how much predictable all those modern devs are.

As soon as they see the dislike ratio, they start to panic.
 
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