Timberwolf25
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I might play it if it comes to GamePass 
Otherwise I have too much to play/do right now, but I have been curious about it.
Otherwise I have too much to play/do right now, but I have been curious about it.
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Helldivers 2 CEO reveals 500,490 players after Xbox release
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Mr Moose
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yurinka
Member
No, I'm not.
Me and several friends from other companies tried to find a common correlation having the daily sales and daily CCU peaks of several games and there wasn't, mostly because of the reasons I explained it to you plus a few other reasons including some we didn't detect. And any serious analyst / marketing guy will tell you the same.
Trying to make a decent sales estimate just with CCUs is dogshit that will have a big error margin that will heavily vary from a game to another because there isn't correlation.
Alinea is the new VGChartz, mading up numbers when still there isn't data to make a decent estimate.
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archangelmorph
Gold Member
Just because you and your mates haven't worked out the methodologies to identify usefully predictive correlations doesn't mean they don't exist.
Your appeal to authority doesn't work because as I stated, I know firsthand from teams I'm personally familiar with in the industry that track these metrics and have fairly sophisticated quantitative models that identify correlations between CCUs and sales figures with fairly granular dimensionality to provide useful predictive power that drives their sales targets and estimations to drive portfolio investments and publishing cash flow and financing management.
These models are well back tested, mature and carry strong demonstrable confidence.
As far as you and your team are concerned; you simply need to hire better quants.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Not only is it Alinea, but I like how Zuby tries to phrase it like "only 5% of the total Series console install base". Like 5% of the total install base in 2 days is supposed to be bad?
What percentage of the PS5 install base bought Helldivers since launch?
Zuby is the same, if not worse, than Colt but on the PS side, lol.
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yurinka
Member
My appeal to authority doesn't mean I'm right because of that, but means I know what I'm talking about.
100% bullshit, if serious people doesn't to estimate sales with CCU it's because that method is crap and we have way better ones.
DryvBy
Member
500k isn't a huge success. There's like 5 million on PS5 and 10 million on PC for that game. Even on launch month, there were in the multi million brackets already.
yurinka
Member
No, there aren't 5M in PS5 and 10M in PC, PC is only slighly ahead, something like 60:40 or 55:45 aprox. Probably around 9-10M PC and 7-8M PS or something like that.
And they didn't sell that in 2 days, took them a year and a half and with a way higher installbase and userbase than Xbox, a place where people on average buy less games due to GP. If it would have achieved 500K on launch day alone would have been a huge success, because would mean that they would end selling millions of copies on Xbox, and we know that the game generates even more money with its addons.
Durin
Member
The game's been out for over a year on multiple other platforms, selling that many copies after that time I think is fine. It was enough for the company to publicly drum up the number, if it was a true failure they'd just not talk about it at all.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
All time peak for steam was 458k around release.
StreetsofBeige
Member
500-600k sounds pretty good for a launch day.
How many did PS5/PC sell on launch day with what? 5x the user base combned? PS5 is 2x alone. Then add all the Steam users. And this game is 18 months old.
Best of all, it just cements more Sony games coming to Xbox. No way Sony is leaving on the table easy sales like this to help cover all their GAAS projects.
If youre an ecosystem warrior, I wouldnt bet that MLB and H2 are the only Xbox games ever releasing. Look what happened to any predictions that Horizon and DG would be the only PC ports when they slow rolled them out 5 years ago.
How many did PS5/PC sell on launch day with what? 5x the user base combned? PS5 is 2x alone. Then add all the Steam users. And this game is 18 months old.
Best of all, it just cements more Sony games coming to Xbox. No way Sony is leaving on the table easy sales like this to help cover all their GAAS projects.
If youre an ecosystem warrior, I wouldnt bet that MLB and H2 are the only Xbox games ever releasing. Look what happened to any predictions that Horizon and DG would be the only PC ports when they slow rolled them out 5 years ago.
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Mr Moose
Member
Yup, doubly shit Tweet. 5% of an install base would be pretty damn good for a new release, though the source made those numbers up.Not only is it Alinea, but I like how Zuby tries to phrase it like "only 5% of the total Series console install base". Like 5% of the total install base in 2 days is supposed to be bad?
What percentage of the PS5 install base bought Helldivers since launch?
Zuby is the same, if not worse, than Colt but on the PS side, lol.
DaleinCalgary
Member
I'm glad Xbox owners can enjoy this game
sigrad
Member
No. If a game is good we will buy it if it isn't on gamepass.
That's it. Nothing else needs to be said. Xbox players buy good games.
I bought this game. And so did a shit ton of other Xbox players.
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sigrad
Member
Those numbers are fit like 3 days of sales.
StreetsofBeige
Member
LOL. Not every console gamer (doesnt matter which one) even has a sub plan. And for the ones that do for Xbox, not everyone even has the higher GP tiers to get monthly games.
Former PS5 console exclusive, Helldivers 2, now tops Xbox sales chart as Sony continues to dabble with its multi-platform strategy
Helldivers 2, which is published by PlayStation, is doing well on Xbox.
www.eurogamer.net
Helldivers 2 is the #1 (base game) and #3 (super citizen edition) best selling game on both the Xbox U.S. and UK lists.
ThisIsMyDog
Member
Did you just mistake concurrent players numbers for overall copies sold?
Killjoy-NL
Banned
Great accomplishment, but a low bar.Former PS5 console exclusive, Helldivers 2, now tops Xbox sales chart as Sony continues to dabble with its multi-platform strategy
Helldivers 2, which is published by PlayStation, is doing well on Xbox.
Helldivers 2 is the #1 (base game) and #3 (super citizen edition) best selling game on both the Xbox U.S. and UK lists.
Roberts
Banned
More than 60k players that have TrueAchievements account have played it. That is more than most non-GP games these days. From what I understand only one Xbox user out 20-30 uses TA, so this sound like a success to me.Former PS5 console exclusive, Helldivers 2, now tops Xbox sales chart as Sony continues to dabble with its multi-platform strategy
Helldivers 2, which is published by PlayStation, is doing well on Xbox.
Helldivers 2 is the #1 (base game) and #3 (super citizen edition) best selling game on both the Xbox U.S. and UK lists.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
It's like a normal athlete being #1 in the Paralympics.What does this shit even mean?
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Sales are sales. Theres a market and selling to it is a good thing. The developer was well aware of the install base when they decided to port the game. theres nothing else to it.
August’s most downloaded games across PlayStation, Xbox, and Steam
Plus, a look at how August’s many new launches are performing, including Gears on PlayStation and Helldivers 2 on Xbox.
alineaanalytics.substack.com
So in that competition, then that paralympic athlete is a superman and breaks great marcs.
P.S. Alinea isn't worth anything as a source. But some have embraced its data on many occasions.
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Killjoy-NL
Banned
True, I didn't say otherwise. I did call it a great accomplishment.
This kinda proves my point.August’s most downloaded games across PlayStation, Xbox, and Steam
Plus, a look at how August’s many new launches are performing, including Gears on PlayStation and Helldivers 2 on Xbox.
It's outselling the NBAs, Maddens etc.
arguing that those don't sell on Xbox in the U.S. is just going full retard at this point
But I remember You were the one that claimed nobody would buy FH5 on PS5 so we've already established your
credentials.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
When we're talking about ~1.5M sales ballparks across all platforms for Madden, I don't consider that particularly impressive, it's decent to good.
But again, I called the #1 and #3 spot for HD2 great.
Hence, great accomplishment for a low bar.
I said FH5 is one of the few Xbox IPs that would likely sell decently.But I remember You were the one that claimed nobody would buy FH5 on PS5 so we've already established your
Astray
Member
I am an Alinea disbeliever, but honestly any person could see this result coming, HD2 is very well-suited for the Xbox audience's gaming preferences, it's also a cheap game that launches on a platform where almost everyone has some sort of GP access going, which means all of them are paid online-ready.Not only is it Alinea, but I like how Zuby tries to phrase it like "only 5% of the total Series console install base". Like 5% of the total install base in 2 days is supposed to be bad?
What percentage of the PS5 install base bought Helldivers since launch?
Zuby is the same, if not worse, than Colt but on the PS side, lol.
I anticipate a lot of seething in the coming months as more games make their way there too, once these HD2 sales and MTX are baked into the baseline revenue rate, they're gonna think about what else they can put on there.
Next meltdown will happen when Circana Aug/Sep results are out.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Former PS5 console exclusive, Helldivers 2, now tops Xbox sales chart as Sony continues to dabble with its multi-platform strategy
Helldivers 2, which is published by PlayStation, is doing well on Xbox.
Helldivers 2 is the #1 (base game) and #3 (super citizen edition) best selling game on both the Xbox U.S. and UK lists.
Honestly, this is a good showing for everyone.
- Sony seemingly getting 'rewarded' for putting a game on a rival platform, bucking the norms and 'taboos'.
- The game itself seemingly getting received very positively on Xbox, showing the fanbase is open to buy games from rival platform-holders as well.
Only some real hair-brained icon-ics (
) will find negativity in this.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
If this was aimed at me, I've always said MS going 3rd party would be a W for every party, incl gamers.Only some real hair-brained icon-ics (
So there is no negativity to any of this.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Not only is it Alinea, but I like how Zuby tries to phrase it like "only 5% of the total Series console install base". Like 5% of the total install base in 2 days is supposed to be bad?
What percentage of the PS5 install base bought Helldivers since launch?
Zuby is the same, if not worse, than Colt but on the PS side, lol.
Yeah, Zuby is deffo up there but I dont think he makes videos does he?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No, thankfully he's relegated to twitter so far.
Wasn't aimed at you, the clue is in the bolded. They love me over there
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Does it really matter?