ChorizoPicozo
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odds of that happening?
Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event
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Boo Who?
Gold Member
LOL, I've been here for years.
RedC
Member
Don't call it a comeback...
Avid Reading Horse
Member
In this analogy the disgusting revelry in Charlie's assassination would be equivalent to laughing at someone getting intentionally run over and dying because they believed that driving cars should be legal.
Madflavor
Member
The McRib line was pretty funny.
near
Gold Member
Okay, I see what I'm dealing with here. You continue to leave out context. He said that in his view, gun deaths are a tragic but inevitable societal cost of preserving the 2nd Amendment. He also laid out ways he thinks the violence could be reduced. You can disagree with that position, but turning that into "He wasn't against what happened to him." is intellectually dishonest and insensitive. Treating his death like it's deserved or ironic dehumanises the conversation. Get a grip.
crazepharmacist
Member
He wasn't against what happened to him.
it's also unfortunate that he died for having an opinion.
You may as well say you are against not only the second amendment but the first as well.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
You're saying we've never been more united on NeoGaf?
The site that spawned ResetEra, And the world followed suit....I don't need to debate it we was the beta testers for this shit
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
Had a look at their thread... absolutely fascist forum, and revealing of who the left really is.
Thought this thread could use a moment of levity.
They are so "safety" obsessed on that site in general that they hunt down and ban (and instantly remove) any comment that would even slightly go against the party line on something like trans -- shrieking that to say such things is an act of violence against people, etc -- but then when it's Charlie Kirk, they are openly filling page after page with statements that he deserved it, it should happen more, death is deserved if you support his ideas, etc.
The people of resetera are incompatible with humanity. At least they're all locked up together in a self imposed mental asylum.
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Hero of Spielberg
Member
I see this analogy from time to time, but a gun is very different to a mode of transportation. You don't need a gun to go and shop for groceries, or drop your kids at daycare, or travel to meet with family or loved ones. A car for many people is a basic necessity for day to day life, you can't say the same for a gun.
DeepSpace5D
Member
So surreal, and terribly tragic for not just him at only 31, but for his wife and kids. I've seen him on youtube before and he seemed like someone who could articulate his points well.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Looks like it, slowing the video down it does indeed look like a center mass shot in the chest area and the bullet glances upward
Almost certainly would not have survived a center mass shot from a higher caliber long gun either though
Side note I have actually shot into plates like these as I own some and never seen a bullet glance like that
In fact even more strange the shooter being in an elevated position shooting down and the bullet glance up
ThatOneGrunt
Member
I mean, his solutions were more fathers in homes and more armed guards at school. Both weak and tone-deaf solutions to the problem. I mean, a armed guard didn't save him at school today.
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phant0m
Member
Just curious, did it also put a fire in your gut when 20 1st graders were shot in their school?
Or seventeen 4th graders?
Or was that just thoughts & prayers?
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L*][*N*K
Member
He said word for word that he is okay with some deaths as long as he can keep the 2nd amendment to protect his other god given rights, explain to me exactly how am I misrepresenting this issue here Master Debater??
Cyberpunkd
Member
I guess he became a societal cost then.
near
Gold Member
You're cherry picking a line and stripping away the full context of what he said. He didn't just shrug at gun deaths, he acknowledge them as a tragic reality of an armed society, he argued that liberty comes with trade-off and then went on to suggest ways to reduce gun violence. Saying he was fine with being assassinated is a leap, he was making a broad argument. You're misrepresenting it in both an inaccurate and needlessly insensitive way.
crazepharmacist
Member
I don't really understand how anyone can disagree with Charlie here if you support the 2nd amendment. There are evil people out there, obviously. It's impossible to have the 2nd amendment, the right to bear arms, without some evil psychopath murdering innocent people. There will be always gun death for as long as there are guns.
Like I don't even understand the point you are trying to make here?
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Boo Who?
Gold Member
An armed guard is also not going to be 200 yards away from the school. If you think more fathers in homes is a weak solution, I suggest you take a look at some stats. You might be surprised.
ThatOneGrunt
Member
That's not an option for some households. What do you do then?
Unknown Soldier
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Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
Oh, I'm sure he doesn't mind; he went out fighting for what he believed in. He had a better death than most of us will get, and a better life in 25 years than most will have in 80.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I hate the whole left vs right for so many reasons. For one, we are all Americans(those who are). Two, there's nothing inherently violent about left or right. Most people of either are not violent or murderers. Nor is left or right an official group. It's just a placement on a political spectrum, much of which is kind of arbitrary these days to begin with. People don't commit murder because they're left wing or right wing. People commit murder for: anger, revenge, greed, jealousy, money, etc. These are emotional stimuli present within all people and independent of political ideation. Right wing or left wing extremists don't commit murder because they are left or right. They commit murder because they have been convinced murdering someone is necessary. Or been convinced to hate another person enough to kill them. Or whatever other reason. It's the emotional state that causes a person to kill.
I don't like this pitting people against each other because we will always have a divided country if we continue to look at other people that way.
RedC
Member
I think more fathers in the homes isn't a weak solution, but an overly simplistic variable in a complicated equation.
I agree in theory; however, people making these points without knowing definitively the motivation of the shooting are potentially setting themselves up to look silly.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
You're not this stupid (I hope). You just hate him.
He was in no way arguing that the few deaths that will always happen in an armed society are good, or even that each one isn't a full on tragedy. In fact, he would clearly come in and say that tragic, absolutely awful, gut-wrenching killings really do happen and that each one is among the worst events possible.
What he is saying is that you'll never get the number to zero, because that's also the case in every other area of our life. You'll never have zero car deaths, you'll never have zero industrial accidents unless you give up all progress and technology, you'll never have zero hunting accidents unless you ban and remove the entire pastime of hunting, etc. That recognition is fully compatible with regarding each car fatality, each industrial accident, each killing as a horrific and unspeakable tragedy.
Even in the clips, he discusses that some measures can and should be taken to reduce the gun deaths, but simply banning all guns is what he would call a fake solution. Look at knife murders in the UK or vehicle mass murders in Germany anyway if you think any one instrument of killing is all that matters.
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Avid Reading Horse
Member
Hi, you seem to be confused as to what an analogy is. It's actually a comparison of two things that aren't the same, but have something in common. So, it's not surprising that a gun isn't a mode of transportation, because the point of the analogy isn't that you can ride a gun to the next town over and see your meemaw. The point of the analogy is to illustrate another context in which we as a society have deemed a similar loss in life to be a necessary tradeoff.
phant0m
Member
This coming from the party that tried to overthrow the government and threatened to hang the vice president of their own party?
Just double checking.
Porcile
Member
Slumped in a chair with blood gushing out your neck in front of your family and a bunch of Mormons? Yeah, I'll live to 80 thanks.
DrFigs
Member
they just won't cop to it. see for example the two democratic state senators that were shot a few months ago. there are still people on the right who maintain that the perpetrator was on the left. Or for that matter the individual who tried to kill Trump, who was a registered republican.
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Unknown Soldier
Member
You aren't wrong but the odds are low enough that these people are likely, but not guaranteed to be, correct. We'll see I guess
Boo Who?
Gold Member
I agree. The complicated equation starts with, IMO, the US government encouraging fatherless homes with handouts. I also think that it absolutely sucks most homes that do have two parents, have to have both parents work to make ends meet. This is not good for the children.
Vestal
Junior Member
Could we wait till they actually catch someone before we make up a motive?
Curious has he always worn a Bulletproof vest at these events?
I don't think I agreed with Kirk on anything politically. Would say I vehemently opposed some of his views. Having said that, fuck violence. Never the way.
Curious has he always worn a Bulletproof vest at these events?
I don't think I agreed with Kirk on anything politically. Would say I vehemently opposed some of his views. Having said that, fuck violence. Never the way.
longrainwater
Member
The difference is the far-right is, rightfully, shunned, while the far-left isn't at all.
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
FBI now, allegedly, claiming there are several "leads" with some "foreign intelligence" sources to help. Odd thing to say really without some result, but I don't doubt they are expending all possible resources.
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Boo Who?
Gold Member
I still love that people who showed up with no guns were going to "overthrow" the government. Cracks me up every time this is said.
Mistake
Member
An overthrow so good they forgot their guns at home. Maybe they can learn from Nepal
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
Live your meaningless 80 years then. Have fun.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
A vest wouldn't have done anything, he got shot in the neck.
My complete untrained thinking is that maybe the aim was for the head but the bullet drop made it go to the neck.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
What are the odds the suspect gets away?
DrFigs
Member
yeah for sure... Charlie Kirk who is a podcaster with zero policy influence was for sure enough of a priority for another country's intelligence to be involved.
Is it Venezuela or Iran. Which country do we want to invade more?
L*][*N*K
Member
Sure they do, exactly what? Why would an accountant with two kids who lives a normal life in a suburban area should own an M-16 , that was the whole argument btw.
Jinzo Prime
Gold Member
One current theory is that he was shot in the chest and the bullet ricocheted off his body armor into his neck.
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Agree that it is strange - not sure why foreign intelligence would have data on this, but guess we will see what unravels.
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
Was it? I missed that part of the "whole argument". If that specific criteria is what you're selling, perhaps it could be argued. But that very specific example /=/ everyone.