Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event
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near
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He isn't even being cryptic about being happy Kirk was assassinated anymore. Just making low IQ efforts to defend his point. Everything Kirk said in that tweet I posted makes complete sense to me as a non-American.
Buggy Loop
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Streamers should be the last place to look for any kind of fucking opinion on a matter such as this. He said political violence is 90% left wing thing and the right has tried to advocate above it. Bull fucking shit. Now their sub moderators are deleting any mention of where that 90% comes from. I'll tell you where it came from, out of his ass.
TGO
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while they have different definitions they do overlap with the purpose of bringing people together.
I thought we were talking about society in general.
And I said inclusive, not united.
Hero of Spielberg
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And you can be pro gun and concede that it's a seriously flawed analogy ... the point he was trying to make, why do we propose a ban on x and not on y when they both kill people ... there's a very good reason for that difference.
vodka-bull
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How brainrot do you need to be to not see a difference between an armed fight between two parties and a cold blooded assassination. Did he say it's ok to assassinate people on public events there? Jesus christ….
Boo Who?
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With you on all of these points.
DreamcastSkies
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Not to derail the thread, but there's probably at least one staff member working on Ghost of Yotei who doesn't feel happy about this murder but is afraid to speak up or say anything (or maybe feels it isn't prudent). If you have any interest in the game, I say don't let one person's opinion/political views keep you from it.
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JayK47
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I feel like we never know what happens in these cases. The news moves on in a week and we hardly get to hear what really happened. It feels so similar to the assassination attempt on Trump. Shooting from a roof seems like something an amateur would do because they watch too many movies. Or something someone would do when they are being told to do it. Even if they catch who did it, I do not think we will get a real motive or anything. I just do not trust any "official" news.
MayauMiao
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If anything, it made them more insane to the point even the reasonable left were harassed.
Cyberpunkd
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And yet exactly the same countries you quoted effectively banned guns except special circumstances and gun deaths in Europe are miniscule compared to US. I am shocked how much mental gymnastics 2nd amendment supporters go through instead of being honest and just admitting: "I don't care if people die, it's price to pay for me having a right to own a gun".
It's really that simple. Less guns = less gun related crime.
vpance
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More tard devs who couldn't hide their glee
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i
You asked for it, but here's an example:
You can probably find the full video elsewhere.
You asked for it, but here's an example:
You can probably find the full video elsewhere.
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ElRenoRaven
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Saw this news earlier today when it broke. Killing anyone for their political and religious beliefs is beyond fucked up. I hope they catch the shooter and they get the harshest punishment allowable. I feel for his family and friends. There is no reason he should be dead right now.
Shmunter
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Gross
Unknown Soldier
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Today's reminder we still don't know a single thing about the person who shot Trump. They promised a briefing which never actually happened
Shmunter
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The tweet says better off under salver, while he said there was less black crime in the 40's and something changed. Basic statistics. Typical outrage engagement farming tweet.
ComputerBlue
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I stand by what I said, and I'm speaking not of what happened but of the reactions and the open celebrations, I've never seen anything like it in such a large capacity, it's soulless, it's disgusting.
Words!!!! Ban him!
Hmmm... seems a little familiar.
Avid Reading Horse
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No, whether you agree that the cost of the 2nd Amendment in terms of gun deaths is worth it doesn't matter. The point being made is that gun deaths in and of themselves do not automatically mean something shouldn't exist, hence the demonstration of a similar context in which a similar number of deaths are an accepted cost.
It might be, but the point is still rather crass and smells rotten. Especially since he has also spoken against MLK Jr. and against the Civil Rights Act.
Even if you can verify there was less crime by black people, it's not for any good reasons. Plenty of bad ones could be mentioned, including living in fear.
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crazepharmacist
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Are you really that intellectually slow that you think this edited clip taken out of context implies Charlie was saying slavery is the reason blacks committed less crime back then?
DrFigs
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it's not hard to find clips of charlie being racist, sexist, or anti-semitic. i think most people just don't want to post it after he's been killed.
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Roni
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If they fail to provide one here, it's difficult not to consider the false flag angle.
The Epstein letter just got released the other day...
near
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You're oversimplifying the issue. Kirk's broader 2A argument wasn't 'I don't care if people die.' It was that some level of violence is unfortunately inevitable in any society, but the right to bear arms is a safeguard against worse losses of liberty. Disagree, but pretending it's just gun lovers don't care about death, isn't engaging with what was actually said.
Also, it's not mental gymnastics to note that banning guns doesn't end violence, it just changes the method. It's more complicated than 'less guns = less gun related crime' because it is not the same as saying fewer guns means less crime overall. Here in the UK we have a knife crime epidemic. Violence finds another outlet.
JORMBO
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There's multiple Sucker Punch devs liking the post. I'm not going to give money to people that hate me. Easy pass.
crazepharmacist
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Post them lets see. I haven't seen any yet in this thread.
No, that wasn't what I said, but you are too fast on the keyboard to notice that I clearly mentioned there's a full video.
Context doesn't make it any better. He was openly against the civil rights movement and his point is black people were better off without it. Which is gross.
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crazepharmacist
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They really need to teach critical thinking skills in school. People are so easily misled from short form social media content.
Jinzo Prime
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"Violent cultures propagate violence in whatever manner that is convenient to them," is not a hard thing to understand, but people will perform all sorts of mental and verbal gymnastics to avoid that conclusion.
crazepharmacist
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So instead of posting short clips taken out of context and not bothering to post the full video because you're too lazy...
Why don't you back up Charlie being against the civil rights movement now. Lets see the source for that. The full source this time.
Halo is Back
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I didn't know him very well, but no one deserves to go out like that, especially since he is now leaving behind a wife and kids. Of course, the usual suspects are coming out of the woodworks to say the usual nasty things whenever someone dies they don't like; it shows a lot about the content of their character. Not even the most prominent leaders of the civil rights movement would dare to use violence to further thier political beliefs, and they won in the end because of their words, determination, good values, and sound arguments. Not with senseless violence and destruction.
So, where is all of this headed is my question: how much worse can this get? We just had an assassination attempt on a previous president last year, and now the assassination of a prominent political influencer? This is bad. When violence becomes the model for political change, you have a very bad precedent set in this nation. I honestly never liked his videos and disagreed quite a bit with his takes from what I saw of his content. His videos largely came across as disingenuous, performative acts for entertainment, rather than a serious debate that could potentially change his mind. However, this is not the way to respond to viewpoints you don't like, and everyone celebrating this is stoking the flames and making the situation worse, sowing the seeds for future violence.
So, where is all of this headed is my question: how much worse can this get? We just had an assassination attempt on a previous president last year, and now the assassination of a prominent political influencer? This is bad. When violence becomes the model for political change, you have a very bad precedent set in this nation. I honestly never liked his videos and disagreed quite a bit with his takes from what I saw of his content. His videos largely came across as disingenuous, performative acts for entertainment, rather than a serious debate that could potentially change his mind. However, this is not the way to respond to viewpoints you don't like, and everyone celebrating this is stoking the flames and making the situation worse, sowing the seeds for future violence.
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Dacvak
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I'm just so sick of all of this. I'm so sick of the divide. I'm so sick of the violence. I don't care what side you're on, this is not the way.
And now things will get worse and more divided. This will only breed more hate and conflict, and thus we descend further into the hole.
And now things will get worse and more divided. This will only breed more hate and conflict, and thus we descend further into the hole.
Hero of Spielberg
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'similar context'... no it isn't, that's the whole point.
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A while ago, probably in 2017, I appeared on Tucker Carlson's Fox show to talk about God knows what. Afterwards a name I barely knew sent me a DM on twitter and told me I did a great job. It was Charlie Kirk, and that moment of kindness began a friendship that lasted until today.
Charlie was fascinated by ideas and always willing to learn and change his mind. Like me, he was skeptical of Donald Trump in 2016. Like me, he came to see President Trump as the only figure capable of moving American politics away from the globalism that had dominated for our entire lives. When others were right, he learned from them. When he was right--as he usually was--he was generous. With Charlie, the attitude was never, "I told you so." But: "welcome."
Charlie was one of the first people I called when I thought about running for senate in early 2021. I was interested but skeptical there was a pathway. We talked through everything, from the strategy to the fundraising to the grassroots of the movement he knew so well. He introduced me to some of the people who would run my campaign and also to Donald Trump Jr. "Like his dad, he's misunderstood. He's extremely smart, and very much on our wavelength." Don took a call from me because Charlie asked him too.
Long before I ever committed (even in my mind) to running, Charlie had me speak to his donors at a TPUSA event. He walked me around the room and introduced me. He gave me honest feedback on my remarks. He had no reason to do this, no expectation that I'd go anywhere. I was polling, at that point, well below 5 percent. He did it because we were friends, and because he was a good man.
When I became the VP nominee--something Charlie advocated for both in public and private--Charlie was there for me. I was so glad to be part of the president's team, but candidly surprised by the effect it had on our family. Our kids, especially our oldest, struggled with the attention and the constant presence of the protective detail. I felt this acute sense of guilt, that I had conscripted my kids into this life without getting their permission. And Charlie was constantly calling and texting, checking on our family and offering guidance and prayers. Some of our most successful events were organized not by the campaign, but by TPUSA. He wasn't just a thinker, he was a doer, turning big ideas into bigger events with thousands of activists. And after every event, he would give me a big hug, tell me he was praying for me, and ask me what he could do. "You focus on Wisconsin," he'd tell me. "Arizona is in the bag." And it was.
Charlie genuinely believed in and loved Jesus Christ. He had a profound faith. We used to argue about Catholicism and Protestantism and who was right about minor doctrinal questions. Because he loved God, he wanted to understand him.
Someone else pointed out that Charlie died doing what he loved: discussing ideas. He would go into these hostile crowds and answer their questions. If it was a friendly crowd, and a progressive asked a question to jeers from the audience, he'd encourage his fans to calm down and let everyone speak. He exemplified a foundational virtue of our Republic: the willingness to speak openly and debate ideas.
Charlie had an uncanny ability to know when to push the envelope and when to be more conventional. I've seen people attack him for years for being wrong on this or that issue publicly, never realizing that privately he was working to broaden the scope of acceptable debate.
He was a great family man. I was talking to President Trump in the Oval Office today, and he said, "I know he was a very good friend of yours." I nodded silently, and President Trump observed that Charlie really loved his family. The president was right. Charlie was so proud of Erika and the two kids. He was so happy to be a father. And he felt such gratitude for having found a woman of God with whom he could build a family.
Charlie Kirk was a true friend. The kind of guy you could say something to and know it would always stay with him. I am on more than a few group chats with Charlie and people he introduced me to over the years. We celebrate weddings and babies, bust each other's chops, and mourn the loss of loved ones. We talk about politics and policy and sports and life. These group chats include people at the very highest level of our government. They trusted him, loved him, and knew he'd always have their backs. And because he was a true friend ,you could instinctively trust the people Charlie introduced you to. So much of the success we've had in this administration traces directly to Charlie's ability to organize and convene. He didn't just help us win in 2024, he helped us staff the entire government.
I was in a meeting in the West Wing when those group chats started lighting up with people telling Charlie they were praying for him. And that's how I learned the news that my friend had been shot. I prayed a lot over the next hour, as first good news and then bad trickled in.
God didn't answer those prayers, and that's OK. He had other plans. And now that Charlie is in heaven, I'll ask him to talk to big man directly on behalf of his family, his friends, and the country he loved so dearly.
You ran a good race, my friend.
We've got it from here.
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The commentary in the tweet is bad, but so is his claim that "lower crime in the 1940s" is somehow reflecting that was a better era for black people.
I already posted a source for that second point, which goes into great detail on the topic. How many of them do you need? Half a dozen?
I got you!
"For Kirk, the shift on King wasn't an offhand remark, but a glimpse into his broader strategy to discredit the civil rights leader and the landmark legislation most associated with King: the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
"I have a very, very radical view on this, but I can defend it, and I've thought about it," Kirk said at America Fest. "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s."
Heres the full article: https://archive.is/psNz5
reinking
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Can you provide the correct context?
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Jinzo Prime
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That's honestly a beautiful eulogy. Anyone thinking this isn't a big deal needs to sober up right now.
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I have never told this story publicly before:
When my own family faced real danger, my home damaged by fire, bullets flying on our block, my infant child and wife under threat, Charlie Kirk literally gave us his house to stay in as long as we needed as we searched for a new place to live in Florida. We were there for months. Charlie never asked for a thing in return.
I have a home in Florida and a thriving, growing family because of Charlie Kirk.
That's the type of man he was.
Multiply that by millions of young lives, and you see the force he was.
We must carry forward his mission.
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crazepharmacist
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"Kirk argues that the Civil Rights Act, which bars discrimination on the basis of race, ushered in a "permanent DEI-type bureaucracy," referring to diversity, equity, and inclusion. He illustrated how the law has gone wrong when responding to a question from a student who said they became the subject of a Title IX investigation after posting an Instagram story mocking transgender people."
Cool. So he thinks the Civil Rights Act is being used for DEI purposes today and defended his position.
Thanks for proving you took what he said out of context.
crazepharmacist
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I don't know where that video came from, but I saw another video of his where he talked about America becoming less racist over time, with the abolishment of slavery, the civil rights act, etc. yet the level of black crime only rose higher and higher. He went on to say that the reason is that Black single mothers were raising children without fathers.
He wasn't trying to say black Americans were better off in chains or whatever crazy shit that other person I responded to was trying to imply.
Charlie was a devout Christian. He believed in the nuclear family. Like most conservatives.
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It's a very questionable position, because apparently "DEI" was/is so bad that passing the Civil Rights Act in the first place was a "huge" mistake...so what would be his alternative, then? Not passing the bill at all? Waiting a few more years, decades? All while black people were living in fear and under legal discrimination, but apparently "crime rates were lower" back then so...maybe it wasn't so bad after all. It's very, very easy for a white dude to say something like that.
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crazepharmacist
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It would be nice if we could ask him what his position is on this but he's dead.
The civil rights act banned racial discrimination in employment, provided protection to black voters (so they couldn't be killed in the process of going to the polls or disenfranchised) and stopped segregation on public property.
Do you think the message you quoted is a fair equivalence to the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
To be fair, he stated his position in that quote.
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That's part of the tragedy here, yes, which is why my immediate reaction to his death was one of horror.
I still find his political beliefs to be questionable at best and, again, someone asked for the man's controversial takes. That's one of them.
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MayauMiao
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Well the problem is if anyone does it someone will pull the fire alarm.