Senua
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I was calling the shooter stupid btw
Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event
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Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Aye, true, not to be too disparaging though but quite a few of these folks are not really renowned for their expert skills in subterfuge or even having a basic escape plan
This seems a bit too clinical
We live in such a crazy time where even suggesting this was done to drive traffic away from the utter lack of safeguards that led to the death of Iryna Zarutska (That engulfed every news feed on earth..) wouldn't even be out of the realms of possibility.
Let's hope they're at least caught.
Embearded
Member
Yeah, doesn't it feel uncanny that someone is expressing these ideas with a smile about a killing that happened a few hours ago?
And to find some kind of weird justification / reasoning with the fact that Charlie said what he said about second amendment.
Do we apply this kind of logic to everything else?
Are we going back to a darwinian society where we justify killings and deaths in general?
Should we let this guy die if he turns up at a hospital because he was injured doing something that he loves?
I swear, i cringe with most of what Charlie said, mainly about Christianity and these kind of crap, but damn all the guy did was invite people for debates and he was open to discuss topics he wasn't prepared for.
I mean all they had to do is just show up a bit prepared and make him look like an uneducated asshole.
Lunarorbit
Gold Member
Wow. So you think I'm sick and vile? Interesting.
You know what's sick and vile? Kirk saying,
Charlie Kirk, a well-known public figure, recently suggested that ASL interpreters during emergency briefings are a "distraction." This harmful and misguided statement undermines the very real needs of those who depend on interpreters for timely and accurate information.
"I can't stand the word empathy, actually," Kirk says in the video. "I think empathy is a made-up, new-age term that does a lot of damage."
"I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights"
"Who was MLK? A myth has been created and it has grown totally out of control," Kirk posted on X on Monday morning. "While he was alive most people disliked him, yet today he is the most honored, worshipped, even deified person of the 20th century Today we are going to tell the truth and explain how this myth was born."
Imagine supporting kirk and calling me vile when all you have to do is read his quotes.
captainnapalm
Member
You're making a silly argument. The media, corporations, universities, Hollywood, judiciary - all major institutions have a massive liberal bias. That's the only way leftist violence goes unchallenged for as long as it does. Hell, it will probably continue to go unchallenged after this.
Lunarorbit
Gold Member
You gonna gatekeep me? Cause all I'm hearing is insults thrown my way from posters who don't like Charles quotes.
Remember when Trump talking shit about those 2 Minnesota lawmakers who were shot? Get outta here with this faux outrage baiting bullshit.
hououinkyouma00
Member
Sorry, I was more responding to the other person and agreeing with you. Looking bad my post wasn't clear.
W T F? He was mentally disturbed, a ten year old shouldn't be giving birth under any circumstances.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Yeah, Kirk was not a good person. His murder was abhorrent and unforgivable, of course. That goes without saying from any rational person. But I'm also not going to pretend he was some standup guy.
There was yet another school shooting yesterday, and I'm frankly infinitely more distraught about that.
Here's what Charlie Kirk stood for:
- Anti gay rights, anti gay marriage
• Taylor Swift should reject feminism, adopt conservative lifestyle as a loyal housewife
• No retirement allowed, people should work forever
• Leftists should not be allowed to move to red states
• British Empires Colonialism was a great thing
• The guy who assaulted Paul Pelosi should be let free
• American secularism should be abolished, no more religious freedom
• Multiple black politicians "stole white people's spots"
• MLK Jr was "an awful person"
• The Great Replacement Theory is reality
• Hydroxychloroquine cures COVID
• Guns deaths are acceptable in order to have a 2nd amendment
• Women's natural place is under their husband's control
• Parents should prevent their daughters from taking birth control
• George Floyd had it coming, the Jan 6th protestors didn't
• The 1964 Civil Rights Act was a "huge mistake"
• Madani winning in NY is a travesty because Muslims did 9/11
• Muslims only come to America to destabilize Western Civilization
• Palestine "doesn't exist" and those who support it are like the KKK
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Dude...it's not worth it. Not on Gaf. They will agree with the video you just posted, with the fact gays should be stoned to death, that some people should be sacrificed each year if it meant that the second amendment is in place, and plenty of other idiotic stuff he kept saying each day.
There's a reason politics aren't allowed it in here. The forum would implode from inside out.
Freelance Yakuza
Member
The best way to honor his memory is to have no empathy for his death, just like he himself would have done <3
Dr.Morris79
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DrFigs
Member
There was a mass shooter not that long ago who put a bunch of influencers on the left and right in his manifesto to troll people, or for whatever other reason. We can't divine motive just based on these types of things without knowing more about the person. Even if it is now the likely explanation.
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Mr Moose
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Empathy != sympathy.
Punished Miku
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Remember when Charlie Kirk said he wanted a patriot to bail out the deranged right winger who tried to kill Pelosi and her husband? Remember when they were super outraged about people getting out because of cashless bail and lax judges and prosecutors? Remember when I pointed that out on the last page and every single conservative ignored that?
The vast majority of Swiss immigrants are coming from an adjacent, or nearly adjacent, European nation. Germany, Italy, and France being the major contributors. The cultural similarities are obvious, and the judeo-christian background, regardless of active practice in the faith, is the key cement here. If you compare Switzerlands homicide rate (currently around 0.5/100k) to the more homogeneous US states, those trend around 2-3/100k, so an increase, but not the astronomical spike when you compare the US as a whole.
I don't think it is a stretch to say that socio-economic 'class' is probably the biggest determiner of crime. But ethnic and cultural differences, particularly ones with long standing conflicts with each other, are also a promoter of violence. This is why importing large numbers of culturally divergent, mostly men, into your country and then having them occupy a low economic status dependent on constant and perpetual government economic support is a baaaaaaaaaaad idea. It can be done in small numbers over time, especially when there is a mutual will for assimilation, but outside of that it is almost universally problematic across history.
Though given time, even identical twins will start to pick out (perceived) differences between themselves just to have an excuse to argue. Humans are an aggressive species.
Madflavor
Member
I could say the same thing about the Left celebrating his death while acting like they're on the moral high ground.
I don't care if you love or hate Charlie Kirk. Nobody should be murdered for expressing their political beliefs. A political assassination is an attack on free speech, and that's something both sides should be opposed to.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Having bad takes and views does not make someone a bad person. I wish more people would understand this.
thegame983
Member
I'm pro abortion.
That does not mean that I deserve to be cut in half with a scalpel and thrown into a bin.
That does not mean that I deserve to be cut in half with a scalpel and thrown into a bin.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
One's belief's are absolutely a direct reflection of who they are. You can't honestly think that one's beliefs don't have an impact on their actions.
Barrier Island Dweller
Member
Someone should be monitoring the purple site, I wouldn't be surprised if some of these mass shooters come from there with their crazy rhetoric.
captainnapalm
Member
He never said gays should be stoned to death or that people should be sacrificed in the name of the second amendment - and no, a lot of people don't have those beliefs. But this is what people do - inflame rhetoric with half-truths and distortions to create boogeymen for them to hate. That's how we got here in the first place, by the way.
Boneless
Member
I am asking you for specifics, what bothered you that thinks valids killing him?
You think you had a gatcha, but you should google the definition of sympathy and then the definition of empathy.
NoLootBoxDev
Member
I am not from the USA, but I have to say: people there need to get their shit together and pass reasonable gun laws. Like it or not, it is needed there ASAP.
Did he deserve to die that way? Not any more or less than the other children who died in a school shooting, and will die because there is no gun laws.
Was he a terrible person who said it was worth it for people to die by guns each year? Yes, and he became another statistic through his own words, which I find ironic.
Did he deserve to die that way? Not any more or less than the other children who died in a school shooting, and will die because there is no gun laws.
Was he a terrible person who said it was worth it for people to die by guns each year? Yes, and he became another statistic through his own words, which I find ironic.
Boo Who?
Gold Member
All of those posts should be reported to the FBI.
calico
Member
He also ended that with something like 'I prefer sympathy to empathy'. You do not include this because it significantly undermines the point you are trying to make, or perhaps because you do not understand the distinction he was drawing between the two.
Absolutely nothing wrong with this quote. Many rights have a risk to safety resulting from them.
We do tend to whitewash historical figures once we have adopted them as champions, no? It happens all the time. MLK is not a sacred cow. I'm not sure what is supposed to be so inherently vile about that paragraph.
EtherLakes
Neo Member
Time to admit America's left wing are basically a terrorist organisation at this point.
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Mistake
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Half of what you posted is perfectly debatable. Taylor Swift? Really? The one that got....married?
Dr. Samuel Hayden
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Have been since 2020, at least. And not just the american ones.
That ship has sailed, though. The scale of international commerce means that ANYTHING can be smuggled in ANYWHERE. Any country with a violent, criminal element has access to guns and we are seeing that across the board. Only the most impoverished areas have to resort to machetes and axes.
So, IMHO, its a far better strategy to leave the third rail of "ban/limit gun ownership" and focus on the desired outcome, which should be to "reduce violent crime" and work towards that goal. Combat suicide (that's half the gun deaths right there). Combat gang activity, mostly fueled by drugs (1000000% the single greatest source of violence). As for mass public space shootings, the link to anti-depressants seems like a blinding beacon that folks are just willfully ignoring.
I personally wouldn't mind a government program of a "Certified good guy" thing where you voluntarily submit to a background check, participate in regular training/education/safety courses, and in return you get vastly expanded carry privileges, immediate purchase options, full automatic, SBR, and suppressors, etc. You need a carrot with that stick and I bet you could lead a lot of the honest folk to such a program, leaving the police to focus on the minority criminal element.
But no woman should EVER* be denied the ability to get a pistol for self protection because that's leaving half the population virtually defenseless.
But none of this is likely to have prevented this assassination. It has the hallmarks of a well trained, experienced shooter with resources. I would be shocked if the shooter turns out to be some college kid who bought his first rifle the day before and was just trained on Hitman video games (and yes, I do suspect folks will blame the increasingly realistic "murder simulator" games for helping people prepare for such crimes). I'm guessing we'll get a Lee Harvey Oswald type of former military generally unhinged dubious background type.
*aside from the legally batshit crazy ones, of course
Little Mac
Gold Member
Updates. Weapon found (bolt action rifle). Authorities have footage of shooter. Appears to be "college aged".
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Boo Who?
Gold Member
Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the country. It's working out really well for them. Bad people are going to find a way to get guns. Maybe if our federal and local governments stopped spending so much of our money on other countries until we get ours sorted out 1st, it would be a step in the right direction. Please take all the money we spent on illegal immigrants, Ukraine, Israel, and whatever other war we are promoting, and invest that money in the inner cities, better training for police, more funding for schools, bring back mental health care that was taken away in the 70's and 80's. Maybe pay teachers a better salary to get more level-headed people interested in that line of work again. If our young people are not adequately educated, what does it matter what we do now? I would love to see my money invested in the people here. Not more military bases across the world and not for pension plans for foreign countries. We have spent so much time worrying about the world, that a lot of our own people are being left behind.
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ResilientBanana
Member
Did I say anything bothered me specifically? Seems like you're coming into the conversation ready to fight. I'm just saying I can see what others might have found upsetting to get to this point.
DrFigs
Member
You have deranged republicans like the Trump shooter, the man who attacked Pelosi's husband, and the man who shot those state senators in Minnesota. You don't strike me as an honest person, however, so I assume you don't think that republicans are terrorists.
StabbyStabStabStabStab
Member
His world view was utterly appalling I have to admit, be that on gun control, manufactured empaty, slavery, etc, however regardless of what side of the political fence you straddle a political assassination shouldn't be celebrated / applauded either. In an ideal world this should be used as acknowledged as a direct result of widening political division and we should try and find a way to pull it back, not use it as a means a means to push the divide even further (which sadly it no doubt will). Maybe its also time to consider living in a society where more people are killed by toddlers with guns than by terrorists that something isn't quite right. Or violence resulting from disparity of wealth, or people with mental health issues left to tumble through society to land on the streets and end up stabbing refugees on trains. Time to look at causes, not focus on the effects. But again, sadly people will not 
Wimbledon
Member
Completely sensible position to take. I think most normal people have that position. I just think the extreme ideologues on both sides across the web and a few on here are taking it too place it doesn't need to go.
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Completely agree. The internet has made so people fucking bonkers
He's saying a shared monoculture reduces violence. In switzerlands case it happens to be white christian (background at least, even if not practicing). This bears out across time and history. Where are the massacres, the violence? It tends to occur when there is a cultural divide, which often coincides with ethnic/national divides. Sure, catholics and protestants all from the same 50 mile patch of dirt can bitterly hate each other as well, but on the whole it's fundamentally different cultural ideals put in close proximity that leads to violence, even more so when there is an economic disparity heavily weighted towards one of the groups.
So no, he isn't (I don't think) saying that "black people are the problem" as you are implying, more that "culturally homogeneous societies have less violence" which is objectively true, particularly in times of relative plenty. With hardship the definition of "you are like me" just shrinks, eventually down to the immediate family unit. Throw zombies into the mix and I don't really care if you are a gold gaffer from my hometown, graduated from my school, dating my sister, and otherwise just like me. I'm protecting my wife and kids, parents and siblings if I can, and the rest are shot in the knee to slow down and distract the hordes
calico
Member
It's noteworthy that for such a bad guy, so many of the 'bad things' he said have to be wildly misrepresented ('omg he supports children being killed!!') or deliberately have clarifying context left out. Once you filter those out, you're pretty much left with a bunch of middle of the road views that half of America holds.
Mr Moose
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Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Thoughts become words, words become beliefs, beliefs become actions. I'm not sad he's dead no sympathy or empathy on my part either.
Madflavor
Member
His world view was utterly appalling I have to admit, be that on gun control, manufactured empaty, slavery, etc, however regardless of what side of the political fence you straddle a political assassination shouldn't be celebrated / applauded either. In an ideal world this should be used as acknowledged as a direct result of widening political division and we should try and find a way to pull it back, not use it as a means a means to push the divide even further (which sadly it no doubt will). Maybe its also time to consider living in a society where more people are killed by toddlers with guns than by terrorists that something isn't quite right. Or violence resulting from disparity of wealth, or people with mental health issues left to tumble through society to land on the streets and end up stabbing refugees on trains. Time to look at causes, not focus on the effects. But again, sadly people will not
20 year ago everybody on the political spectrum would've come together to mourn Charlie Kirk, or at the very least condemn the actions of the shooter. The United States has failed it's children.
Lunarorbit
Gold Member
No symphany is bullshit in most of these cases cause they don't actually believe in compassion.
If he was emphatic he won't have said the things he did in life.
Accusing me of not understanding the two is not a winning argument.
Mlk is not a sacred cow? Jeez some of you guys need to read history.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
What facts are you privy to that shows this was in fact done by "the left?"