Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event
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Musashipan
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They should monitor this one
The amount of sick leftards here celebrating his death is sickening
bigedole
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Really hate people using this as some kind of gun control gotcha. This wasn't a random violent incident with a handgun. This was premeditated, cold-blooded assassination with a rifle, very unlikely to have been captured by any regulation anyone has proposed in the last 30 years.
Charlie Kirk just wanted to talk to people, truly exemplifying what should be the American way of let the best ideas win in the court of public opinion. Free speech is the corner stone of our society, and across the globe you can see how others suffer when they don't legally safeguard it. The people celebrating this are vile, despicable people who will get far more grace than they deserve.
Charlie Kirk just wanted to talk to people, truly exemplifying what should be the American way of let the best ideas win in the court of public opinion. Free speech is the corner stone of our society, and across the globe you can see how others suffer when they don't legally safeguard it. The people celebrating this are vile, despicable people who will get far more grace than they deserve.
Angry_Megalodon
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It's the same as with J.K. Rowling. They need to lie about his words to justify their hate and extremism. People who defend this are so coward that they can't even be honest about what they are really opposing.
FullMetalx117
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We need a figure like Pat Tillman around today
3liteDragon
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Musashipan
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Not only America, they are a cancer everywhere
calico
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I think that is probably the case, but tbh I cannot understand what you are trying to say in your post so I'll leave it there.
Senua
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Yea this thread is eye opening
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Not necessarily. I have friends I've known for many years where we don't talk about societal issues pretty much at all. So I don't know their views on most things. But they treat me and others kindly, they're respectful, caring. How you treat others in the world is all that matters.
I have a friend who is very religious and is against gay marriage and doesn't think well of homosexuality. But he's never mistreated anyone, gay people included. The dude is just a good guy and is nice to everyone.
People are defined by their actions and how they treat others, not their views. It's only when toxic views turn into toxic actions do they become a bad person the way I see it.
I see this phenomenon a lot sometimes. Person X will be friends with Person Y for a while. They are close, they care about each other. Person X raves about the kind of individual Person Y is. About how kind, loving, etc they are. Person X finds out Person Y has a specific view about something. They voted for Trump. They are pro abortion. They are against child gender transition. Whatever it is. And the response is "Boy, I guess this person isn't a good person" rather than "I know this person and I know what kind of person they are, their views on these topics are irrelevant to that."
Some of the people I listed above I've known for 30 years. No one I've known has ever said a bad word about them. They are respected in their local communities, amongst friends, family, etc. You telling me if one day I decided to sit down with one of them and talk about issues and they told me they had some of Charlie's above views, then suddenly it complete changes their character? Surely you can see how absurd and illogical that is.
DrFigs
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I can't tell if people on the right are perhaps incapable of understanding that two things can be true simultaneously. Charlie Kirk really had disagreeable views that many found hateful, and that he shouldn't be killed because of these views. These aren't contradictory stances. Just because he was shot, doesn't mean that people who previously disagreed with him have to admit that he was actually right about anything.His world view was utterly appalling I have to admit, be that on gun control, manufactured empaty, slavery, etc, however regardless of what side of the political fence you straddle a political assassination shouldn't be celebrated / applauded either. In an ideal world this should be used as acknowledged as a direct result of widening political division and we should try and find a way to pull it back, not use it as a means a means to push the divide even further (which sadly it no doubt will). Maybe it's also time to consider living in a society where more people are killed by toddlers with guns than by terrorists that something isn't quite right. Or violence resulting from disparity of wealth, or people with mental health issues left to tumble through society to land on the streets and end up stabbing refugees on trains. Time to look at causes, not focus on the effects. But again, sadly people will not
There are a minority of people online who are actively cheering this on. These are, for the most part, absolute nobodies. You won't find this from any democrat in a position of power. This is very different however, compared to how republicans (both elected and unelected) reacted when the state senator and his wife were assassinated. We had a senator cracking jokes about it the day it happened. Trump and Charlie himself were making jokes and seemingly supporting Paul Pelosi's attacker. We can see it also in this thread. Even assuming the attacker was left of center; notice that the commenters aren't just saying this individual was a problem, retards like etherlake above are saying the whole party is a terrorist organization.
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Lunarorbit
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OK. Sounds good. I'll just see myself out
HeisenbergFX4
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Btw I am 100% agreeing with you that we have a major problem but as an avid gun owner I don't see a solution that works
We truly are fucked as a Country with how many thugs own illegal weapons and those people sure wont surrender their guns
Sadly with how our system works I don't see any elected officials walking away from the huge pay days keeping gun laws they way they presently are and even if someone actually wanted to change them I am afraid they would be met with the same fate as Charlie
Kacho
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The interview I listened to on the way into the office said that security was surprisingly light yesterday. There were only a few cops directing traffic.
I'm sure security standards for these types of events will improve after this.
StabbyStabStabStabStab
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Yes unfortunately it does seem that's where the worlds currently at - cheerleading the death of someone you disagree with politcally is acceptable these days. I know he wasn't a politician, but if you accept its okay to take a political opponent off the map like this then that's a dark/anti-democratic road to travel down....
Blood Borne
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The Left: YOUR speech is violence. MY violence is speech.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Those are baseless cliches. As far as I know and from what people who do know him have said, he's always been welcoming and polite to people and has never hurt anyone. The irony of someone claiming someone's beliefs or views alone can make them a bad person yet you express no empathy for an innocent person shot in the neck in broad daylight. Going by your logic, you have to be a pretty bad person then to think there's nothing sympathetic about murder. See where this logic goes if you follow it through?
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captainnapalm
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The saddest thing about what's happened to the US is that it feels so unnecessary. Was it really necessary for everyone to lose their minds when Trump was elected in 2016? Turns out he wasn't a Russian agent, or a secret white supremacist - just a typical law and order guy, anti illegal immigration. The rest of the time he's trying to make deals and negotiate tariffs. You can not be a fan of that, but it wasn't worth going completely crazy over and becoming so divided. And for all I'm hearing about Kirk, all I can find is typical Christian conservative stuff. If America was going to become this divided, it should at least have been about something real - not some media-concocted bullshit. They had everyone seeing Nazis around every corner and losing their minds. That whole George Floyd thing was like a fever dream. All so nuts.
Musashipan
Member
Exactly
He has death threats on him on a daily basis. They were too naive to underestimate the wickedness of the left.
FoxMcChief
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At the end of the day, he was a YouTuber. His security was mainly there to make sure no one rushed him and beat him up. Is he the first YouTuber to be shot and killed like this?
Madserb2023
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All the people who are justifying the murder because they don't like what he says have the self preservation of a lemming. Salmond Rushdie shouldn't have got stabbed in the eye either. This isn't a left/right issue. Its the sane/insane and many are failing. There are plenty of people who will look at left wing commentators and think their views are disgusting. You don't want to give mental cases the green light on this or think think will be treated as a hero. This stuff goes full circle. It's like people posting JK Rowling should be raped. Rape is wrong full stop. They think they are part of the intelligencia but they are plain stupid, like the professor that went to visit Pol Pot, who Justified the killing in Cambodia for Pol Pot to kill him. Political assassination is wrong period.
Roni
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Having bad thoughts doesn't make you a bad person. When you act those bad thoughts, you're definitely a bad person.
Speaking is an act.
Also, the more info comes out on this, the clearer it seems that killing him was less about silencing him and more about the outrage it would spark.
The administration needed to galvanize the base and deflect from Epstein; they just got that. This has been happening all around the world, even in my own country: whenever the right needs a shot of support in the arm, some flashy violent crime is committed.
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Flash Junkins
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This has got to stop. Miilenials are a pestilence. Prove me wrong.
HeisenbergFX4
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So a hunting rifle was indeed recovered
Boneless
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And I am asking you for specifics, what have others been seeing?
analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Fighting to eliminate rights for entire segments of people is indeed "hurting someone". Being friendly to someone's face while actively trying to eliminate their basic human rights does not make you a standup guy.
It's silly to have to explain this.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Oh a silly argument like proving with numbers how Fox News, a partisan republican media organization is by far the most successful news organization in America? Right wing bias is the mainstream in America. Mainstream news is right wing news.
Oh, and your attempt to move the goalposts? In what reality do you live in? There's a republican majority in the Supreme Court, the appellate court and the circuit court! If you don't know that, you are being lied to.
HeisenbergFX4
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Still at large
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Disagree. When your views turn into actions that tangibly harm others, that is what makes you a bad person.
If someone lives their life waking up everyday yelling out "I hate [insert demographic here]!" but never do anything to harm or mistreat anyone within that demographic, then at the end of the day, what does it really mean? It's just air coming out of a person's mouth. If that person were to leave the house and start attacking people within that demographic though, then that is when someone becomes a bad person.
And yes, I realize sometimes bad view can lead to bad act, but it's not until those acts are committed that a person becomes a bad person.
Imagine a person has lived their lives beloved by all and never hurt a fly, and then after their death you find a diary they kept hidden that had all kinds of rantings against different types of people. If they didn't live their lives doing anything to harm or mistreat those people then what does it really matter at the end of the day?
It's an odd way to describe a rifle, for sure. My thought is that it is an actual mauser 98k, converted to 30-06 (or from one of the countries that made them in 30-06), and likely scoped. Used to be able buy them by the barrel load at gun shows for like $100 each. If it was a FN or springfield mauser pattern rifle you'd think it would have listed the actual manufacturer. Maybe they are trained to not list such details and instead refer to a more broad description (would they say "Sig Sauer M400", or "Sig Ar-15 type rifle", or "imported armalite pattern rifle"?).
Anyway, its basically a bolt action rifle, probably scoped. What any hunter might use, along with a fair number of target shooters. Could range up to a highly tuned 'sniper' (if we want to degrade the term to include these types of assassins) rifle though, but that makes it more suspicious to leave it behind as those are probably much more traceable. But anyone complaining about "What would the founding fathers say about high capacity bullet hoses!?" can just be quiet for now because that line of rhetoric wouldn't apply here anyway.
Boo Who?
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- Anti gay rights, anti gay marriage (Trump was the 1st president to support gay marriage out of the gate. Obama, Hillary/Bill, Biden, Bush, all of them agreed with Charlie. I support gay rights and marriage. Humans are humans.)
- The Great Replacement Theory is reality (Looks real to me. Look what is happening in Europe and some of our own cities in the States)
- Hydroxychloroquine cures COVID (A lot of doctors will tell you that it removed symptoms almost immediately when they prescribed it to their patients at the early stage of COVID. People said the same thing about Ivermectin, I was prescribed it the same day I had a positive COVID test. All my symptoms were gone in less than a day, other than the loss of smell and taste. Anyone still using COVID arguments today is quite laughable. It's pretty easy to see that Big Pharma repressed any drug that helped against COVID. If they didn't, they lost all of their Emergency Usage for the "vaccine")
- Madani winning in NY is a travesty because Muslims did 9/11 (Yup. I said it before. NYC's motto was "Never Forget". They did. Any person who says government run grocery stores is a good thing is retarded.)
- Muslims only come to America to destabilize Western Civilization (Yup, many Muslims are outright saying it. They believe in Sharia Law. I'm sure all of our strong independent, feminist women would have no problem living under it)
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Roni
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That's fine, that's not what Charlie Kirk was doing. He was putting himself out there as a thinker, debater and role model.
He wasn't yelling at clouds, he was talking to people for effect.
captainnapalm
Member
Fox gets the biggest numbers because they're the only right-wing one duh - obviously the liberal audience is split because they way more choice.
Yes the upper courts, but the vast majority of the judiciary is liberal. Thankfully, the upper courts can sometimes provide a check on that, but for the most part these liberal judges are causing a lot of chaos. Ask that Ukrainian girl, for example.
Antwix
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Gosh I wonder what the motivation could've possibly been /s
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
I was today years old when I realized why politics aren't allowed on here. The guy was a total POS and I say this as a cis hetero (not white) male not someone with far left ideology. I can't believe so many on here are defending or at the very least downplaying his views. Anyway sympathy for his daughters not the wife she knew what she married.
dem
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I was going to say last night... why are we discussing the 2nd amendment? This was very possibly done with your average hunting rifle.
There is no version of America where hunting rifles will be banned, ever. You won't even get that done in Canada.
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In the US? Probably. But there have been several "on camera" killing of you tubers in other countries, notably that girl in mexico who was assassinated in her hair salon or whatever after getting the three gifts.
As a dramatic statement, it's pretty powerful. I think we are gonna see more and more recorded deaths, either from bystanders like in this case or from the killer themselves, which was have also seen. Social media "cred" is as important, if not more, as any newspaper infamy or even parades in the streets like we see with islamic terrorist suicide bombers.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
The mention of other countries was specifically and clearly a point that other methods of violence (eg. stabbings or cars driven through crowds) are always available, and that you by no means end violent killings if you remove guns.
Saying "but gun deaths are rare in gun-less nations" isn't even remotely related to the point being made. The most recent horrific killing in the US on the train was a stabbing. Kirk would have simply been stabbed or run over as he leaves an event if no guns were available. Violence finds a way.
Senua
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Look in the mirror sometime bub
Cyberpunkd
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C'mon, why do you argue in bad faith? What will kill people faster - stabbing them one by one with a knife or opening fire with a semi-auto? Let's be real here. Nobody is saying 100% of violence is due to guns, but guns make it way easier to kill a lot of people very quickly.
Madflavor
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If it's true that the shooter was college aged, that would make him Gen Z.
Flash Junkins
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It will be a millenial. Watch
captainnapalm
Member
If I'm Donald Trump or Elon Musk or someone like that, I'm not going up on a stage again. Half the country hates you and supports political violence. Just not smart. Let them put up a hologram or something. Poor JD Vance has to try and run for president.
HeisenbergFX4
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Wimbledon
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Sorry but Intent matters. Speech is not just "air" or just void...it's influence. If someone wakes up everyday yelling hatred toward a group, the reality is your actively contributing to a culture built on hostility....even IF a punch has not been thrown.
Words have power , they shape norms, embolden others and create psychological harm. The idea that someone isn't bad until they act ignores the power of ideas to incite, isolate and erode dignity. You don't need physically harm someone to be morally culpable....you just need to poison the well other drink from.
The well being (college campuses, social media, algorithms etc)
Kacho
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Well earned.