Game Developers celebrating assassination of Charlie Kirk (Sucker Punch, Bungie, The Coalition etc) [Update] Sucker Punch Dev Fired
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kiphalfton
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This is exactly why the world is in a state of disarray, because of people arguing with one another about who or what is worse/better.
At the end of the day, anybody on the extreme left, extreme right, and anywhere in between can have stupid ideals/beliefs and are "weird and hateful people".
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Revolutionary
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Probably posted already but looks like DC is doing the right thing by firing the author and canceling the entire run of a new Red Hood comic for his comments on the assassination
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DC Comics cancels Red Hood comic book series
The first issue of the 17+-rated Batman spin-off comic book series went on sale September 10, but DC Comics has informed retailers that orders for all future issues have been cancelled.
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HerjansEagleFeeder
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I'm not married to the guy, but I'm almost 100% sure he'd have never celebrated the murder of someone he disagrees with. We're talking about an entirely different level of inhumane hostility, hatred and extremism.
xrnzaaas
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Man, some people are still defending Sucker Punch despite the fact that the company is not reacting to their employee's actions like it should. It shouldn't matter whether a left wing or a right wing politician was assassinated, you don't make jokes and cheer that he's dead. It's a valid cause for immediate termination.
Not to mention other people were cancelled in the past for way less, having stuff like their several year old tweets dug up... so they should know how to proceed, right?
Not to mention other people were cancelled in the past for way less, having stuff like their several year old tweets dug up... so they should know how to proceed, right?
Topher
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Yes
cinnamonandgravy
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what a gaggle of retards
also surprised publishers still dont shut them up w/ a zero tolerance policy--strong political views of any kind tend to alienate customers.
also surprised publishers still dont shut them up w/ a zero tolerance policy--strong political views of any kind tend to alienate customers.
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ReasonBeing
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People spouting off insensitive outrage bait and terrible mean-spirited takes.. just another Tuesday. I don't think anyone can seriously believe that their "side" has any moral high ground to stand on. We are all infected with a mind virus, we are all to blame, we are the poison.
StreetsofBeige
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Probably tough to implement a hard policy like that. If they did, gaming studios would probably lose half their staff if anyone combed their social media accounts looking for dumb shit they've said over the years.
Hunter 99
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From the UK here and whether you liked Charlie or not he didn't deserve to get murdered for his opinions or beliefs.
Fuck these employees from SP, it's stupid to post that your happy someone has been killed that you didn't even personally know and just seen vids of online that you don't agree with.Who are you?
Ah well lessons will be learned...
Fuck these employees from SP, it's stupid to post that your happy someone has been killed that you didn't even personally know and just seen vids of online that you don't agree with.Who are you?
Ah well lessons will be learned...
Topher
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I don't care to participate in "sides" arguments. If someone does/says something shitty then that's them, no one else.
Gp1
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Maybe because they don't do it publicly while branding their Nvidia badge?
StreetsofBeige
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The crazy thing is Charlie Kirk isnt even a government official. It's not like he's a city mayor, senator or anything like that who can formally push laws through that some people might hate.
They guy is basically a popular (I never heard of him though) politics personality guy who is right leaning and seems to know all the big wig conservative politicians I guess. But seems like the extent of it.
viveks86
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All creatives west of Ukraine is my thumb rule. I'm sure there are some exceptions like Poland (and may be Italy?). You think AAA UK developers or French developers are not liberal or woke? Most of Hollywood? Music industry around the world?
I think there is something to say about creativity and natural affinity to disruptive concepts like communism, extreme wokeness and other unproductive, self destructive behavior. Looking at how scientists in UC Berkeley behaved in Oppenheimer, I'm starting to think it just comes with the territory.
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ChorizoPicozo
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you should buy the collector edition and post the receipt.
Gonzito
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TheChadOfGaming
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these liberal activists just can't keep their retardation to themselves, you see it everywhere
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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A bit crazy seeing how this is the straw that's made some people disinterested in buying Yotei.
Not that the game itself looked like a very iterative, safe sequel with questionable technical visuals in areas, bog-standard revenge plot, bland main protagonist, piss-poor enemy AI, questionable mechanic change in multi-weapons vs. stance system, or ludo-narrative dissonance with stuff like the campfire feature.
Instead the reason is for nothing to do with the merits (or lack thereof) of the game itself. Kinda crazy when you think about it.
Obviously I don't condone gun violence. And I don't condone senseless killings. But I don't know much about this guy and I don't care to, either, all I know is they were something of a political provocateur. It's just disappointing that something very political is driving what should otherwise be nonpolitical discourse in gaming. I just want all the modern-day politics BS out of gaming altogether, on all sides.
The industry and hobby were better off without it.
Not that the game itself looked like a very iterative, safe sequel with questionable technical visuals in areas, bog-standard revenge plot, bland main protagonist, piss-poor enemy AI, questionable mechanic change in multi-weapons vs. stance system, or ludo-narrative dissonance with stuff like the campfire feature.
Instead the reason is for nothing to do with the merits (or lack thereof) of the game itself. Kinda crazy when you think about it.
Obviously I don't condone gun violence. And I don't condone senseless killings. But I don't know much about this guy and I don't care to, either, all I know is they were something of a political provocateur. It's just disappointing that something very political is driving what should otherwise be nonpolitical discourse in gaming. I just want all the modern-day politics BS out of gaming altogether, on all sides.
The industry and hobby were better off without it.
sendit
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no to the collectors edition. However, I support 100% digital purchases on Sony's platform.
edit. I also drive a Tesla.
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NickFire
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Dude. This isn't a mean tweet. We are talking about people celebrating the assassination of someone because of their opinion on issues that many people share. In other words, if someone is happy he was murdered that what I am hearing is they would be just as fine with myself or people like me getting murdered since they disagree with me too.
N1tr0sOx1d3
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midnightAI
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Defend the company? yes, why not? currently the company as a whole doesn't appear to have done anything wrong here and we do not know what is going in internally at Sucker Punch/Sony (you can bet its certainly being discussed)
Defend the individual, no, of course not.
Unknown?
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They tried to fool you into thinking the Trump assassins were Republicans/right but the truth came out and they were as left as it gets.
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yurinka
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Apparently Kirk he wasn't afraid of being killed by transgender people, but by somebody else due -despite defending Israel, Jews and their right to defend against Hamas- to the criticism of what they do in Gaza, linking the island guy to their intelligence agency and a accusing jew lobbies of being the ones who fund stuff like wokism, cultural marxism, black lives matter and massive arab migration to US or Europe. He also said that he visited the Gaza border when he visited that country and saw the huge surveilance they have in the whole country and that it has hard to believe their intelligence and military wasn't able to detect it and act until several hours after the October attack happened.
A couple days ago he was saying in his show that maybe we should ask ourserves if the media was telling the truth about that country and if they were making ethnically cleans or not.
I didn't know anything about this guy until was killed, but this guy apparently has several millions of followers and is the leader and maybe most popular voice of the MAGA youths. So had a huge influence for the present and particularly the future.
A few minutes after being shot Netanyahu and many Israel propaganda accounts said stuff like they were praying for him, that he was one of them etc with no criticism at all.
So maybe this transgender and antifascist stuff in the ammo is just a coverup. But well, I don't want to derail this thread into politics stuff.
I assume the that would cover to say he was wrong regarding political stuff, that he was an asshole etc.
But I doubt that to cheer murdering people or to encourage to do the same with others just because of their political views would be included here, or as free speech etc. and that any company would have any legal issue to fire them for doing so. Even if it requires to pay a legal fee due to whatever.
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Hero_Select
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I wasn't a fan of Kirk. I actually think he was an idiot but I would never condone killing anyone. Noone deserves to die like that and these developers should not be celebrating violence.
Omnipunctual Godot
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I think we'd all rather Charlie Kirk still be alive (I should say "most of us" after hearing some of these deranged creatures) and the dev never having exposed their inhuman hatred to the world like this, but here we are.
cinnamonandgravy
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dont fire people for past remarks, only stuff theyve said after theyve been told about the no tolerance policy.
you lose half the staff, thatd be tough, but tons of people want to work in gaming.
losing a big chunk of customers due to careless online posturing is also tough.
Toons
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Basically what this guy said.
I wasn't buying ghosts anyway but some random working on the game has absolutely no impact on my buying decision. If the studio themselves wants to make a statement that's a different thing but even then... I buy games for fun, not as statements.
Gexxy1
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This is like saying if you support car ownership it's ironic if you get killed by a car.
Someone else in this topic called it "shrug-worthy." Lol, you people
If the company doesn't punish the employees for saying something it is seen as endorsing said employees views.
Imagine if one of their employees said they hate black people, or that Hitler was right. Like yeah, freedom of speech, just one guy's opinion. But when the higher ups say and do nothing in response, and the other employees say and do nothing in response, it makes it look to the rest of us, who have no idea what goes on behind closed doors, that they must all support that kind of thinking.
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viveks86
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Since this is Washington and I clearly don't know shit about Washington, they can fire individuals based on personal/political opinions, if they choose to go that route.
I think in this particular case, what is likely to happen is a warning to all staff internally and a public statement that they don't endorse any of the staff's personal opinions or condone any form of violence. Whoever is getting hounded online would likely go private until the dust settles.
That is IF things get too hot online. If Asmongold jumps in the fray by putting together lists, I'm sure it will get pretty hot for devs.
Cheering a murder is depraved and hateful, but political motivated assassinations (which is what everyone is calling this at the moment, at least until they find the killer) are in a weird gray area as far as talking about it goes. Regardless, this isn't happening in California, so none of what I said applies. They can fire at will.
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Angry_Megalodon
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No, this is completely artificial. In the case of game devs it has to do with the DEI lobby and corruption in the hiring process. These people are not being hired only for their technical merits but for ideological alignment.
DEI is a cult that only accepts their kind. Just imagine that your workmates celebrate the death of someone whose values are similar as yours. This means that your colleagues would wish your death, too. No sane person would work in such toxic atmosphere so they either leave or choose not to work in the entertainment industry, which has been infected with the same desease.
Null Persp
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Probably posted already but looks like DC is doing the right thing by firing the author and canceling the entire run of a new Red Hood comic for his comments on the assassination
DC Comics cancels Red Hood comic book series
The first issue of the 17+-rated Batman spin-off comic book series went on sale September 10, but DC Comics has informed retailers that orders for all future issues have been cancelled.
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yurinka
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Yep.
NickFire
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I'd think its pretty hot right now for all of them. Because the people paying the bills are certainly cognizant of the recent gaming flops, as well as Bud Light, certain IPs, Cracker Barrell, etc.
When some people decide to boycott they actually do it.
IFireflyl
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I don't think he was an idiot by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, I believe there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. It takes courage and skill to be able to get in front of groups of people and accept any dissenting viewpoint and argue for your stance. That's not the workings of an idiot.
Having said that, I think he could, like most people, be inflammatory. The titles for his YouTube videos alone are inflammatory as it's always, "Liberal college student gets shut down by Charlie Kirk," or some rendition of him being the best, and the people debating him being ignorant and/or stupid. I think he could definitely have been less intentionally antagonistic, but the majority of how he responded wasn't with offense.
I agree that disagreeing with someone doesn't mean that their death, assassination or otherwise, should be celebrated. And the developers who made celebratory and insulting comments about this should have some kind of reprisal. I would go a step further and say that any developer who also liked the comment should face reprisal, because that still speaks to their character.
We live in a fallen world. There is a one year old boy and a three year old girl who are never going to get to see their father again. That breaks my heart. Anyone celebrating this is an absolutely broken person.
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Toons
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90% of this games base doesn't even know this lady exists. Only reason I do is because of this topic.
Its time to get off Twitter people. Every time I've been tempted to make one stuff like this reminds me why I should stay away
viveks86
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We agree on most of that. I don't agree on the "ideological alignment" bit, but that's besides my point. I'm just talking about the tendency to be liberal and taking liberalism too far. You think Quentin Tarantino may not be secretly relishing this news? Heard he is pretty damn woke and politically motivated too. That has nothing to do with DEI. Which is why I brought up other industries. Conservatives in those industries were a minority even before DEI.
Not making a definitive statement. Just musing to see if there is a psychological affinity between creativity and "fuck the system" mentality.
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easy enough to partially boycott AC Shadows or stuff like Veilguard.
We saw what happened with TLOU2. We saw how everyone studiously ignored stuff in BG3 and Hogwarts Legacy they called 'woke' elsewhere.
Major Sony AAA game that's a sequel to a well liked 10+ million seller game…I'd be surprised if any serious boycott took place.
It adds to the bleakness that the other school shooting of yesterday doesn't even register.
mayham2199
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Pretty much exactly what I said to my wife last night. There's a lot of good and bad that can happen by putting yourself out there in the spotlight like that.
Calverz
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This is a very outdated opinion. Simialr to when car salesman continued to believe the consumer still knew nothing about cars before walking into a showroom once the internet became a thing.
corgiix3
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sure but then you have someone like me who is already 50/50 on it and now im decidedly not buying it
Omnipunctual Godot
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I knew it was celebrated. I thought it was celebrated by a fringe minority. I've never seen anything like the response to this, both in terms of volume and sheer, unadulterated hatred. And neither have you if you're being honest. But I think that's above your capabilities.
Windom Earle
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Strange how even DC has more backbone than Sony.Probably posted already but looks like DC is doing the right thing by firing the author and canceling the entire run of a new Red Hood comic for his comments on the assassination
DC Comics cancels Red Hood comic book series
The first issue of the 17+-rated Batman spin-off comic book series went on sale September 10, but DC Comics has informed retailers that orders for all future issues have been cancelled.
