Game Developers celebrating assassination of Charlie Kirk (Sucker Punch, Bungie, The Coalition etc) [Update] Sucker Punch Dev Fired

I don't think I'm capable of explaining it to you because you will just continue to use your hateful ideology.

You will always use my own words against me no matter what I'm saying.

You refuse to understand it because you want to be a troll.

If you already know your words will be used against you, then maybe you should try changing those words?

You've already accused users in this thread of celebrating Kirk's death without providing any evidence on being asked. Maybe that's the problem?

I'm surprised people haven't been banned.
I'm not against free speech, but there's consequences, and cheering for death of people should be a consequence and a bannable offense.

You're also doing it even more aggressively in the thread in OT but that's another matter.
 
Here's the context

It's... a take, I guess? I believe in the 2nd amendment too, but I would never phrase it that way. That's classic Charlie. Polarize the fuck out of every topic.
Yeah, it's not how I would phrase it. If all he meant by it was that you will never completely prevent all gun violence, it is an odd way to phrase it. Thanks for providing, it is enlightening!
 
You need to research on American history of politics then to learn what "far right" is. You can find numerous clips of Democratic members in the 70s - 00s such as Bill Clinton using the same type of rhetoric that Trump uses today, particularly on crime and illegal immigration. Trump's coalition of voters are also those who typically voted Democrat in the 70s - 00s, particularly blue collar and union workers. The Teamsters union in 2024 did not endorse a Democratic president for the first time since before 2000.

These voters have traditionally supported the Democratic party for a long time. They haven't been shifting right, the democratic has been shifting left from where they've always been- center, caring mostly about union jobs and against illegal immigrants taking said jobs.
Super anecdotally, I support this just from my own experience. I voted Democrat across the board until around 10-12 years ago. My views haven't changed much, but the Dem party was veering in a direction that felt so bizarre and even evil at times.

This was basically me:

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I'd call myself a centrist Republican these days.
 
Super anecdotally, I support this just from my own experience. I voted Democrat across the board until around 10-12 years ago. My views haven't changed much, but the Dem party was veering in a direction that felt so bizarre and even evil at times.

This was basically me:

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I'd call myself a centrist Republican these days.
I would actually make the same argument for the Republican party of 2025. I barely recognize it at all compared to 2000/2004 era. It has twisted/turned into something that is just unrecognizable to me, almost entirely.
 
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Even though I feel for his children that they lost a father I don't care to celebrate his life or death. With that being said wishing death on someone is nuts even if you don't agree with his political views.
 
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FFS, people should be allowed to disagree with equating Kirk to MLK Jr without being canceled.
People are allowed to say whatever they want, but if I was them I would refrain for one day from being contrarian pricks on the internet related to this subject. I would be particularly careful laughing about it online right after it happened(today) since lots of people are getting fired over this. This is common sense, just plain common sense to delay one's ghoulish behavior until it is no longer a danger to their livelihood, but even knowing this many cannot help themselves. Offended easily themselves yet they have no shame from their own offensive behavior. It isn't trolls. These are educators, newscasters, local representatives, game developers. How can they have become this hateful and cruel online? It is as if someone has removed the definition of what is right and wrong from their heads.
 
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Name a war started under Trump. Once you fail at that, try not to think of all the peace negotiations he mediated between countries.
I was gonna give you it with the war part, but the peace negotiations? Like the complete bullshit between Ukraine and Russian? Fuck off.

Wow. Lost for words.
I feel like I'm missing something here.

It's a marketing tweet for a game that is a couple weeks away that has no reference to what is going on at all.
 
Super anecdotally, I support this just from my own experience. I voted Democrat across the board until around 10-12 years ago. My views haven't changed much, but the Dem party was veering in a direction that felt so bizarre and even evil at times.
Thats what a lot of people did last fall. They changed votes. Its not like Trump changed. He's the same loud guy for 10 years talking about the same stuff and still calling people losers on Twitter. Only difference is he went on a tariff binge in 2025 after it was settled. But people actually preferred him this time over Dems, where he cruised to victory in a landslide of votes. He didnt change. But Dems did. Dems lost the election on themselves focusing on weird topics.
 
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Y'all remember when Jimbob Ryan politely asked his studios to respect opposing views on not crushing and dismembering babies with giant tweezers and vacuuming them into drains and garbages, then like 90% of his studios lost their shit on REEEEEsky and staged walk outs, and he "resigned" (was fired) a few months later. Pepperidge Farms remembers.
There were two entire years of difference between both events, just so you know...
Man, this is disgusting. I wish Sony were still managed from Japan and not from the self-proclaimed "greatest country on earth", which in reality looks more like a banana republic with each passing day.
This specific developer was always based in the US, though? And it's not like any actual SIE person has made any similar remark.
 
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From the Charlie Kirk shooter thread in OT.

Boycotting all these devs. Disgusting.
 
His views were very extreme, IMO.

That is immaterial though to the point that folks shouldn't be celebrating political assassinations. That's just dumb.

If you think Charlie Kirk had "very extreme" views, and I mean this respectfully - you are in a serious bubble assuming you are a part of American society. Charlie Kirk's views are not extreme at all in the grand scheme of American political and moral thought. Some of you are terminally online and insular in your view points and it shows. I debated more controversially in college debate classes and political courses than anything Kirk said, lol. Also working in a few industries I did (gaming being one) and traveling to many places and talking with many different people shared a ton of perspective in my social development.

I don't mean this at all as a diss man, please do not take it like I am trying to flame you. I truly mean it, I think you are well within an isolated bubble and I highly suggest socializing a bit more outside of it.
 
Super anecdotally, I support this just from my own experience. I voted Democrat across the board until around 10-12 years ago. My views haven't changed much, but the Dem party was veering in a direction that felt so bizarre and even evil at times.

This was basically me:

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I'd call myself a centrist Republican these days.
I think anyone that is center-leaning on either side feels this way about their own party of choice. We are all lost souls with no place to call home with opinions that don't really belong anywhere. I can empathize.
 
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When did he say those deaths were 'necessary'?
Surprised you haven't heard about that quote. It's circulating like crazy. Main idea is that he believes gun deaths in the US are "unfortunately worth it" to keep gun rights intact, in that those gun rights lets American's preserve other rights. He doesn't believe that the lower gun related deaths in other continues is worth the loss of second amendment. People have been calling out the irony of him ending up as one of those gun deaths. School shootings are obviously under that umbrella of gun deaths, and the US makes up 76% of worldwide mass shootings.
 
I was gonna give you it with the war part, but the peace negotiations? Like the complete bullshit between Ukraine and Russian? Fuck off.
This year there's been:
  • Armenia and Azerbaijan (August)
  • Thailand and Cambodia (July)
  • Israel and Iran (June)
  • Rwanda and Democratic Republic of the Congo (June)
  • India and Pakistan (May)
Granted a lot of the negotiations are stop fighting or you're getting 100% tariffs which will collapse your economies. But whatever works.
 
Surprised you haven't heard about that quote. It's circulating like crazy. Main idea is that he believes gun deaths in the US are "unfortunately worth it" to keep gun rights intact, in that those gun rights lets American's preserve other rights. He doesn't believe that the lower gun related deaths in other continues is worth the loss of second amendment. People have been calling out the irony of him ending up as one of those gun deaths. School shootings are obviously under that umbrella of gun deaths, and the US makes up 76% of worldwide mass shootings.
Really no excuse to celebrate anyone's death. But painting this man post mortem as some saint is wild.
 
Surprised you haven't heard about that quote. It's circulating like crazy. Main idea is that he believes gun deaths in the US are "unfortunately worth it" to keep gun rights intact, in that those gun rights lets American's preserve other rights. He doesn't believe that the lower gun related deaths in other continues is worth the loss of second amendment. People have been calling out the irony of him ending up as one of those gun deaths. School shootings are obviously under that umbrella of gun deaths, and the US makes up 76% of worldwide mass shootings.

Yea he didn't say the deaths were necessary though. There's a huge difference.

I don't want to get into a debate over gun deaths or school shootings, but 76% of what number?
 
Thats what a lot of people did last fall. They changed votes. Its not like Trump changed. He's the same loud guy for 10 years talking about the same stuff and still calling people losers on Twitter. Only difference is he went on a tariff binge in 2025 after it was settled. But people actually preferred him this time over Dems, where he cruised to victory in a landslide of votes. He didnt change. But Dems did. Dems lost the election on themselves focusing on weird topics.

It's a sequel and most of those aren't as good as the first time. Claiming "he hasn't changed" is both true and false, depending on exactly what you're taking into account.

His personality is about the same, but there's more differences than that. He has less responsible adults in the room and more yes-men or yes-women, who prefer to shower him with praise on a daily basis and appeal to his worst instincts, letting him keep pushing the limit of what the executive power can get away with, regardless of whatever courts or judges say, going even further than anything the last couple of presidents ever did in certain respects. If you think he's totally right about everything and heaven's gift to humanity then maybe that's a good thing, but it's a bad thing if you were to argue some of those policies are either plainly terrible or significantly misguided at best.

Then again, these "reciprocal" (lol) tariffs are such a bad policy that they make "tax cuts for the rich" look good. And those are already a bad starting point. Dude promised a lot of economic stuff that sounded nice, yet won't come to pass.
 
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A person is not just a collection of views on wedge issues to universally assess as a function of their Good or Bad Person-ness.

There are decent people on both sides of the aisle and monstrous people too. You're doing yourself a grave disservice if you reduce your personal judgment on others down to tribal identification.

By virtually all accounts, Kirk was a decent guy with a loving family who had a very positive impact on the people in his life. Dozens of people have shared anecdotes about how he reached out to them to help them, lifted them up, sheltered them, advised them, comforted them, defended them, even when it was not expedient to do so.

That speaks far more clearly to me than whether we shared the same views on abortion.
 
Really no excuse to celebrate anyone's death. But painting this man post mortem as some saint is wild.
It's fine. It's all part of the grieving process of a public personality.

My dad passed away earlier this year and we spent days talking about how awesome he was about some things and how he sucked at other things. Not equating my dad to him, but I think processing death does that to people... Will take some time to even out and for people to move on. Until then, hyperbole on either side is inevitable
 
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If you think Charlie Kirk had "very extreme" views, and I mean this respectfully - you are in a serious bubble assuming you are a part of American society. Charlie Kirk's views are not extreme at all in the grand scheme of American political and moral thought. Some of you are terminally online and insular in your view points and it shows. I debated more controversially in college debate classes and political courses than anything Kirk said, lol. Also working in a few industries I did (gaming being one) and traveling to many places and talking with many different people shared a ton of perspective in my social development.

I don't mean this at all as a diss man, please do not take it like I am trying to flame you. I truly mean it, I think you are well within an isolated bubble and I highly suggest socializing a bit more outside of it.
I talk to plenty of people on various levels of discourse. Heck, most folks in my company are way to the right due to the industry where I woke, while I am what would be right of center even 20 years ago in US.

To me personally, Charlie Kirk held extreme views considering variety of his stances. But you guys do you.
 
It's fine. It's all part of the grieving process of a public personality.

My dad passed away earlier this year and we spent days talking about how awesome he is about some things and how he sucked at other things. Not equating my dad to him, but I think processing death does that to people... Will take some time to even out and for people to move on. Until then, hyperbole on either side is inevitable
Sorry for your loss. I haven't experienced a (close) family member passing away yet and I honestly can't even imagine how I will process it.
 
Alanah Pearce is officially no longer invited to step on my face and call me "my naughty little muffin".

But seriously, fuck off...



The guy replying is, I believe, her boyfriend who is playing the main character of Saros (voice + likeness).

What is it about Sony attracting all of these unhinged people under one umbrella?
 
This year there's been:
  • Armenia and Azerbaijan (August)
  • Thailand and Cambodia (July)
  • Israel and Iran (June)
  • Rwanda and Democratic Republic of the Congo (June)
  • India and Pakistan (May)
Granted a lot of the negotiations are stop fighting or you're getting 100% tariffs which will collapse your economies. But whatever works.
Yep. Probably looking at a few million lives saved there just because the US has a real President for a change rather than a deep state puppet always looking to begin another war they can use to turn public $ into private $.
 
Super anecdotally, I support this just from my own experience. I voted Democrat across the board until around 10-12 years ago. My views haven't changed much, but the Dem party was veering in a direction that felt so bizarre and even evil at times.

This was basically me:

I'd call myself a centrist Republican these days.

I'm in a similar boat. I was very anti-Bush and a I really liked Obama early on. Ironically, the democratic party has actually transformed into being what all the whack job right wingers accused Obama of being. It is now the party of gay islamic communism. I have no idea how we got here, but we did. My crazy aunt who sent all the emails was actually onto something all along.
 
Well those other things you mentioned are either heavily regulated and policed or have other functions in society.
Every pool has a whole host of rules to enter and participate.
Cars, airplanes and hospitals are some of the most regulated things on this planet.

I would be 100% ok if there were as many rules about guns as there were about Cars for example. That would make me feel safer if everyone needed a license, had to prove they were capable of using the device, had to renew said license yearly. Each device had to be individually insured, inspected every few years to make sure it functioned well. If you were found unfit, your device could be taken away from you, impounded, you could lose your license etc etc.
While Using the device you had to adhere to stringent rules about how you could use it, in which areas, around which people. could only be stored in certain places etc i could go on.

I would not feel safer if swimming pools, cars, airplanes or hospitals were not rigourously regulated.
You would not feel comfortable unless swimming pools were rigorously regulated?

What about swimming in streams and lakes? Should that also be regulated? What about personal swimming pools?

I'm not trying to be disrespectful here. I think you understand my point.
 
Sorry for your loss. I haven't experienced a (close) family member passing away yet and I honestly can't even imagine how I will process it.
My biggest learning from it was: whenever it happens, do not refuse to confront it head on. Embrace it physically and emotionally. Without that, you will never let go. Beyond religion and spirituality, I truly understood the reason for a funeral. My relationship was complicated and we were estranged for years. But I had to face him, touch him, kiss him and dissolve his ashes. Without doing that, even though I'd forgiven him ages ago, I'd never have forgiven myself.
 
A person is not just a collection of views on wedge issues to universally assess as a function of their Good or Bad Person-ness.

There are decent people on both sides of the aisle and monstrous people too. You're doing yourself a grave disservice if you reduce your personal judgment on others down to tribal identification.

By virtually all accounts, Kirk was a decent guy with a loving family who had a very positive impact on the people in his life. Dozens of people have shared anecdotes about how he reached out to them to help them, lifted them up, sheltered them, advised them, comforted them, defended them, even when it was not expedient to do so.

That speaks far more clearly to me than whether we shared the same views on abortion.
We live in a culture that amplifies the ugly in everything, instead of the wholesome.
 
Yea he didn't say the deaths were necessary though. There's a huge difference.

I don't want to get into a debate over gun deaths or school shootings, but 76% of what number?
"Worth it" and "necessary" doesn't isn't much of a difference in this context. Both would mean that he believes gun rights for a percentage of gun deaths is a good trade. That makes school shootings a necessary sacrifice for the trade.

This was the link. It's a percentage taking into account economically developed countries with the highest rates of mass shootings. Even amongst the highest, the US makes up an insane proportion of both incidents and fatalities.

 
Why is it ironic? Sony owns half of these studio's. They should be pressed by Influencer people on twitter or the press and fire these idiots.

Racists get just as easily fired.
I was just saying it's ironic because you have the clown avatar and username lol (unrelated to this issue)
 
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A person is not just a collection of views on wedge issues to universally assess as a function of their Good or Bad Person-ness.

There are decent people on both sides of the aisle and monstrous people too. You're doing yourself a grave disservice if you reduce your personal judgment on others down to tribal identification.


By virtually all accounts, Kirk was a decent guy with a loving family who had a very positive impact on the people in his life. Dozens of people have shared anecdotes about how he reached out to them to help them, lifted them up, sheltered them, advised them, comforted them, defended them, even when it was not expedient to do so.

That speaks far more clearly to me than whether we shared the same views on abortion.

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I feel like I'm taking crazy pills seeing peoples calling for blood revenge against maybe even their own neighbors, colleagues, family members over a fucking political side. There's a WIDEEEEEE fucking majority of peoples just wanting to fucking live their lives happily, get back from school or work alive and enjoy the evening with the family and plan for the weekend. Nobody (sensible) wants a speed run to civil war. God speed American southern neighbors, I fear for you guys. This is not the USA I was visiting every summer when I was young in the late 80's and 90's.
 
Btw, for people saying that it was only one person from the studio that tweeted, sure. But there were many coworkers who liked the tweet. I don't want anyone telling me that it's an isolated situation. The rot is real.

It's also sickening how people saying that they won't buy the game equals cancellation. Do you even know what cancellation is? It was started by the left, and it has ruined lives. Me deciding not to buy the game does not hurt anyone, but it sends a message (however insignificant it is). I would not think about telling other people to buy GoY or not.

Some of the people in this thread are either rage baiting, trolling, or just don't know much of the world in general. There are also people twisting words of other posters. It also wouldn't hurt if people read on the definition of free speech. You have it, but there are limits to even that.

I buy a shitton of games made by leftists, which are also great games. The difference is that those devs don't openly celebrate the assassination of a civilian. If you feel like it is a good thing, you are entitled to the opinion. But to openly celebrate it is a no-no.

I just watched a video of the senate, a video of the TMZ crew cheering once they learned of his death, and compilation videos of despicable people celebrating. Him supporting the second amendment as an excuse to justify his death is also twisted. It is one thing to have arms to defend your home, it's another thing to camp yourself on top of a roof, and assassinating a person with a sniper rifle.

Some people feign tolerance, but as soon as they see wrongthink, they go ballistic.
Wholeheartedly agree. Saddest thing in all of this is just how politicized everything has become. He had views opposed to many but please tell me, each and every one of you mocking his death, how many of you agree 100% on EVERYTHING with someone else? Name 1 fucking person whose beliefs 100% align with yours? Cause if they don't, are they open to getting shot?
 
Surprised you haven't heard about that quote. It's circulating like crazy. Main idea is that he believes gun deaths in the US are "unfortunately worth it" to keep gun rights intact, in that those gun rights lets American's preserve other rights. He doesn't believe that the lower gun related deaths in other continues is worth the loss of second amendment. People have been calling out the irony of him ending up as one of those gun deaths. School shootings are obviously under that umbrella of gun deaths, and the US makes up 76% of worldwide mass shootings.
This isn't (or shouldn't) be about guns. He could have been stabbed or clobbered. People get killed in car crashes on a daily basis but no one points the finger at them being responsible.

I'm not even going to have this conversation with anyone because it's just a crutch to excuse the real issues.
 
Really no excuse to celebrate anyone's death. But painting this man post mortem as some saint is wild.
Demonizing him is wild, too, but that was happening while he was alive; it led to his assassination and, unfortunately, it hasn't stopped. I don't think he deserved to be murdered, so I probably wouldn't view opinions that are positive toward him as akin to canonization.
 
This year there's been:
  • Armenia and Azerbaijan (August)
  • Thailand and Cambodia (July)
  • Israel and Iran (June)
  • Rwanda and Democratic Republic of the Congo (June)
  • India and Pakistan (May)
Granted a lot of the negotiations are stop fighting or you're getting 100% tariffs which will collapse your economies. But whatever works.
Be a little more skeptical and dont take at face value everything what politicians say.
Just 2 points.
The Armenia deal was started back in 2020, they already agreeed on almost all points back in March, nothing was actually signed until today. And probably never will. The WH meeting was just for show.
As for India, even they came out and said Trumps statement is bullshit and they reached agreement with Pakistan on their own without any 3rd party.
 
At this point enough time has passed for me to say Sucker Punch as a studio endorses this rhetoric. Sony has til the weekend before I paint them with the same brush.
 
Demonizing him is wild, too, but that was happening while he was alive; it led to his assassination and, unfortunately, it hasn't stopped. I don't think he deserved to be murdered, so I probably wouldn't view opinions that are positive toward him as akin to canonization.

Calling out someone for hate speech is a lot different than threatening them. Most of his critics thought of him as a meme or a joke, not a serious threat.
 
"Worth it" and "necessary" doesn't isn't much of a difference in this context. Both would mean that he believes gun rights for a percentage of gun deaths is a good trade. That makes school shootings a necessary sacrifice for the trade.

This was the link. It's a percentage taking into account economically developed countries with the highest rates of mass shootings. Even amongst the highest, the US makes up an insane proportion of both incidents and fatalities.


He compared it to driving a car. Technically, the act of you driving a vehicle and supporting its ownership means you also view car deaths as "necessary" for the freedom of owning a vehicle. The concept is the same with pools and other freedoms that kill thousands of people each year. This is the point he was making.
 
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