Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

Gonzito said:
I think there's a misunderstanding with the way you are understanding my message. I wouldn't ever go around telling random people whether they're gay, religious, atheist, or otherwise, my views on sensitive matters. That would be intrusive and disrespectful.

What I mean is that in a relationship of trust, if the subject naturally comes up, I would share my perspective respectfully, without imposing it. Just as you have the right to express your beliefs or lack of belief, I also have the right to express mine but always in a way that respects the other person's freedom.

So my point is not about warning or teaching strangers, but about honest dialogue when there's mutual openness within the right situation.

Hopefully that clears out the misunderstanding
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Thanks for your reply

It clarifies your point for me and I understand it better now 🙂
 
DragoonKain said:
I feel for his family. They are going to be bombarded with threats and potentially even be outcast in their own community for what the son did. The ripple effects of homicide are vast and in addition to the actual victim and their families, there are a lot of people who are going to feel the effects of this one selfish demented act.
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No one was going to "feel" for the entire 50% of the country that had nothing to do with it and were just registered democrats. Truly fascinating how quickly people are calming down. Normal looking white male with a religious father.

Not even going to wait to feel for them until we get any details, where he got the gun, what his life was like, etc. They're already cleared. That's a fine impulse to have empathy, just had to point out how selective it really is. Would be nice if people felt any empathy for the 50% of the country that wasn't involved at all, or the representatives on the house floor that got yelled at that they caused it.
 
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Punished Miku said:
No one was going to "feel" for the entire 50% of the country that had nothing to do with it and were just registered democrats. Truly fascinating how quickly people are calming down. Normal looking white male with a religious father.

Not even going to wait to feel for them until we get any details, where he got the gun, what his life was like, etc. They're already cleared. That's a fine impulse to have empathy, just had to point out how selective it really is.
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Isn't he old enough to buy a gun?
 
DragoonKain said:
I feel for his family. They are going to be bombarded with threats and potentially even be outcast in their own community for what the son did. The ripple effects of homicide are vast and in addition to the actual victim and their families, there are a lot of people who are going to feel the effects of this one selfish demented act.
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I would hope not. The father is a pastor, works with law enforcement and is the one who turned him in. They seem like good people.
 
I wonder what the motive could be then. Maybe the "trans symbology" stuff on the rifle/ammunition WAS correct and he was trying to inflame tensions? Just seems like a looooooooooong stretch to take a 'normal' college kid to do all this instead of watch porn, play COD, and bloviate online. Did he even attend the college?

If he was just a lone gunman, then the timing of his shot was INSANE. I'm really starting to believe the simulation theory.....
 
To the people saying this kid seems like a right winger based on very little information that we have currently,

was it ever confirmed that the bullets he used had trans and anti-fascist writing on them or was that fake news?
 
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Mistake said:
the state senator I read was personally motivated. Like they actually knew each other. If you're trying to insinuate the Trump shooter was a Trump supporter, well that makes zero sense at all
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I don't think these are rational people. He was a registered republican from a Trump supporting family, who was described as "definitely conservative". but also appeared to have made a donation to dems. If the point is that the left are targeting conservative politicians, then he doesn't quite fit.

As for the guy who killed the state senator, he had a list of 70 people he was going to kill, mostly democrat politicians and abortion supporters. The theory that it was not politically motivated is very silly.
 
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Bitmap Frogs said:
You can, in fact, think that Kirk had expressed extreme to the point of unhinged views, and at the same time condemn the murder. Because murder is bad, and political murder is bad and dangerous to society.
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Your opposition to him is not the problem, it's that you fundamentally misrepresent his views -- which fall completely with the mainstream of ordinary decent beliefs -- as extreme.
 
jason10mm said:
I wonder what the motive could be then. Maybe the "trans symbology" stuff on the rifle/ammunition WAS correct and he was trying to inflame tensions? Just seems like a looooooooooong stretch to take a 'normal' college kid to do all this instead of watch porn, play COD, and bloviate online. Did he even attend the college?

If he was just a lone gunman, then the timing of his shot was INSANE. I'm really starting to believe the simulation theory.....
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Why even bother watching news, just ignore it and believe what you're going to believe anyway
 
DrFigs said:
I don't think these are rational people. He was a registered republican from a Trump supporting family, who was described as "definitely conservative". but also appeared to have made a donation to dems. If the point is that the left are targeting conservative politicians, then he doesn't quite fit.

As for the guy who killed the state senator, he had a list of 70 people he was going to kill, mostly democrat politicians and abortion supporters. The theory that it was not politically motivated is very silly.
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Alright, so who really knows with the first guy then. The second one you have a point
 
Thaimasker said:
Very Interesting thoughts but not gonna happen imo.

" A violent media makes a violent society"
Well the violent crime/murder rate was way higher in the 80's than today....and that would also mean pretty much every country is violent. Look at South Korea, they have some of the most violent movies and tv shows I've ever seen. Their thrillers are way more hardcore than even many of ours.

I'd be pleasantly surprised to see real graphic videos get censored on social media tho.
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I'm not saying its actually true, but the PERCEPTION of it being true is kinda hard to beat. Just watch TV or play a modern video game, they are GRAPHIC. Any attempt to actually prove correlation is gonna be hard because it is a multi-factoral issue. South Korea certainly has their share of issues (their suicide rate, for example, is almost DOUBLE that of the US) and trying to tease out the causal factors of why folks might tend towards violence and then how they express it is tricky at best. I'd certainly go for a higher suicide rate than a murder rate but the symptoms may just be different for the same underlying disease.
 
ResurrectedContrarian said:
Your opposition to him is not the problem, it's that you fundamentally misrepresent his views -- which fall completely with the mainstream of ordinary decent beliefs -- as extreme.
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He was a full blown political pugilist. He has stated many things that are far from mainstream. Did he do that purely to generate engagement? Possibly - but he has stated them. To paint him as a middle of the road ordinary political figure is not honest.

None of that makes his assassination right - it is a stain on US society that he was murdered. And a symptom of deep rooted problems.
 
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Remember how not too long ago we were blaming fatherless homes? Those were good times.

Wouldn't be surprised if this kids story/reasoning fly in the face of pretty much every preconception we have shared here over the past few days.
 
Vestal said:
Remember how not too long ago we were blaming fatherless homes? Those were good times.

Wouldn't be surprised if this kids story/reasoning fly in the face of pretty much every preconception we have shared here over the past few days.
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Just because a father is physically present in the house doesn't mean the kid has a father figure. Two different things.

We are live:

 
Sounds like a lot of posters here tbh

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Hero of Spielberg said:
Why even bother watching news, just ignore it and believe what you're going to believe anyway
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Or just speculate wildly on a video game forum, why not?

Good grief, Gaf isn't a criminal court or senate hearing chamber, we can toss stuff around you know.

If I had any faith that an objective, well researched, clear and accurate picture of the evidence and the events would come out in a month or so I'd just sit back and wait, but we all know that rarely happens so rampant speculation is about all we get.
 
dem said:
So it wasn't the weird trans kid everyone posted all over the internet?

Yikes
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Honestly surprised the internet detectives didn't plaster a hundred more people all over the net like the Boston Marathon hysteria. Then you add the danger of the A.I. enhancement to the mix creating somebody that would pass for Stephen Colleti or somebody with a similar look before the actual suspect it looked nothing like. Hard to imagine the Boston hysteria would have been even more chaotic if A.I. like this was around then. To be fair though the real law enforcement were not any better with the old man :messenger_neutral:

Even now there is some actor with the same name people are posting as the suspect and he is having to post on Instagram he isn't the suspect.
 
jason10mm said:
I'm not saying its actually true, but the PERCEPTION of it being true is kinda hard to beat. Just watch TV or play a modern video game, they are GRAPHIC. Any attempt to actually prove correlation is gonna be hard because it is a multi-factoral issue. South Korea certainly has their share of issues (their suicide rate, for example, is almost DOUBLE that of the US) and trying to tease out the causal factors of why folks might tend towards violence and then how they express it is tricky at best. I'd certainly go for a higher suicide rate than a murder rate but the symptoms may just be different for the same underlying disease.
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Pretty much every country has those violent movies my guy, those with suicide and murder rates that are low too. I just mentioned the country with the media I watch the most.

In South Korea's case it would be an extreme reach to blame it on movies with all of the information we have. I don't think a single soul in South Korea links it to violent media. They aren't ignorant of their issues as a society.
 
It'll be interesting to learn of his motives. I'm just happy they caught him for the sake of Kirk's family and that there can be an end to some theories people have put out.
 
So he got a lot more political recently, and bitching about 'fascists' and 'hate'. Just another young idiot radicalised by the insane level of dehumanization of conservatives and right-wingers in America.
 
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Trilobit said:
It'll be interesting to learn of his motives. I'm just happy they caught him for the sake of Kirk's family and that there can be an end to some theories people have put out.
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His family said he was recently radicalized. Strongly disliked Kirk because he said mean things.
 
FullMetalx117 said:
Let's just say, you know and I know there would be a very different reaction if suspect didn't look like that
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Okay. That's a fair take. I think when the details emerge he will be revealed to be a radicalised left wing nut job who came from a middle class family.
 
I'm grateful the parents did the right thing. I'm sure it was crushing to learn your son is a murderous piece of shit, but all the same, I imagine it couldn't have been easy to turn him in.
 
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