rm082e
Gold Member
Yeah, that was my point. This all reads like a 4-chan troll who came unhinged, not an activist.
Maybe they will find more evidence like a manifesto, search history, online accounts, etc. and we'll get more clarity.
Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event
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Yeah, that was my point. This all reads like a 4-chan troll who came unhinged, not an activist.
Maybe they will find more evidence like a manifesto, search history, online accounts, etc. and we'll get more clarity.
calico
Member
Because it was left on left violence, in retaliation for breaking ranks and voting to end healthcare for illegal immigrants a few days earlier.
This is how leftists operate and enforce order within the party. The next one will know better than to defy the party though, right?
Lmao, we had this conversation in the other thread and the facts convincingly prove this claim wrong. And here you are to trot out these lies again.
Shooter was a Republican, voted Trump, had a long list of democratic targets and his first target was another democrat in a different legislative chamber from where the vote took place.
What did Ted Cruz say about lies again?
Completely shameless move even when you know it's easy to counter with a cursory fact check.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Nope. The killer was a Republican voter whom friends and family described as deeply religious and conservative, and was targeting abortion-rights advocates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_shootings_of_Minnesota_legislators#Manhunt_and_arrest
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p_xavier
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Are you serious?
Null Persp
Member
Let's see what the family will say
"Cox says the family member recalled a recent incident in which Robinson came to dinner before 10 September and mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to Utah Valley University, and talked about why he "didn't like him and the viewpoints he had".
Robinson had told a family member that "Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate", according to Cox."
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Yes.
Null Persp
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dem
Member
Just one of those Christian preacher, anti-abortion, trump supporting style leftists.
Run of the mill.
p_xavier
Authorized Fister
Socialism in his way was anti-marxist which was entirely anti-left. Read the bible, quran, and even mein kampf to understand society.
GamesDontSuck
Member
Well I can only speak for myself.... I'm European and living in Europe. So I dont have any dog in the left vs right race.
Was he right tho? Sounds like a complete and utter fucking nutter. If I were to place on bet on things... I dont think he is right. Family might be. Him? A nutter. Maybe he's not left or right. Some odd job. We'll soon find out.
Ps,
You usually post on reset era right?
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I know they say a lie will be half way around the world before the truth gets it's shoes on but the truth has had more than enough time to catch up to you by now.
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DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
When it comes to harmful online rhetoric and stuff, I think as a society we need to start getting really serious about how we deal with this stuff. People say "We need to go on social media and disavow this stuff strongly" and that is true, there's nothing wrong with doing that. But that alone won't be close to enough. The internet and social media are far too big now. There's too many communities. Private communities, chat communities, apps, websites, etc. Everyone can find a place to go to get bombarded with rhetoric. Controlling the narrative is no longer possible.
The change needs to come in the home when your kids are young. You need to teach them good values and teach them when they are old enough to understand what constitutes crazy rhetoric. That calling everyone a Nazi and fascist is wrong and explain why. So when they get older they hear this stuff and that "anti-virus" protection you've already installed in them kicks in and their trained mind rejects it. Otherwise, they are just going to be a blank canvass waiting to be painted on and if they find their way to the wrong corners of their internet, they could be poisoned. And as sad as it is to say, universities seem to be breeding grounds for this type of rhetoric. So if you send your kids to college make sure to keep up with what they're learning and stay on top of them.
The change needs to come in the home when your kids are young. You need to teach them good values and teach them when they are old enough to understand what constitutes crazy rhetoric. That calling everyone a Nazi and fascist is wrong and explain why. So when they get older they hear this stuff and that "anti-virus" protection you've already installed in them kicks in and their trained mind rejects it. Otherwise, they are just going to be a blank canvass waiting to be painted on and if they find their way to the wrong corners of their internet, they could be poisoned. And as sad as it is to say, universities seem to be breeding grounds for this type of rhetoric. So if you send your kids to college make sure to keep up with what they're learning and stay on top of them.
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I already posted a good article from a historian that breaks it down.
ResurrectedContrarian
Suffers with mild autism
Even Stephen King has now deleted his tweet claiming that Kirk supported stoning gays, and even apologized for it, a true rarity for a guy like King.
Truly a mystery how calls for violence against Kirk and calling him a fascist spread online when even in this thread we had people posting that stoning bit and nodding along like "yeah of course, he believes in sky daddy so he wants to kill everyone and is a fascist duh"
Truly a mystery how calls for violence against Kirk and calling him a fascist spread online when even in this thread we had people posting that stoning bit and nodding along like "yeah of course, he believes in sky daddy so he wants to kill everyone and is a fascist duh"
calico
Member
Firing a rifle at him was also a pretty big clue he wasn't a fan of Charlie Kirk. People tend to overlook that part when they talk about there being 'no evidence'. I mean it could possibly be overcome by other evidence, but it's pretty compelling.
Ah yeah, the 'being taken out a few days after that vote was just a big coincidence' theory. It's bullshit, obviously.
methane47
Member
I cant with this life any more... can no one be serious? jfc
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
So is your assertion that both ideologies attract violent, mentally ill people at the exact same rate (something that is not found in nature) or that conservative ideology attracts violent, mentally ill people at greater rates?Eh?
2025 shootings of Minnesota legislators - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
Tams
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dem
Member
Stupidity runs at 100% at all times on twitter.
Absolute, nonstop, lunacy.
In every fucking direction.
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It wasn't though? Two politicians were targeted by the killer on that day and only one happened to vote in that direction. Which makes your conclusion worthless.
Not only is it entirely circumstantial, at best, it's also incomplete and biased in terms of what facts you choose to consider and which you prefer to leave out.
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One article from one historian. Plenty of parties in Europe have socialism in their description and they are right wing....
Bry0
Member
So your argument is a conspiracy hunch you have that requires disregarding the mountains of actual evidence about this guy? Really compelling. You sound very level headed.
Billbofet
Member
You mean like t-shirts and celebrations?
I think the gleeful response to this one is what's causing, or at least increasing, the attention on it.
Tams
Member
It was an antique.
You've probably seen Army Cadet Corp cadets with something just like it (Lee Enfield 22s here), or if you haven't, let me tell you that 14-year-olds do have access to such weapons.
And considering there haven't really been many changes in how rifles work in over a century, they are just as lethal tools.
Beretta
Gold Member
I know people always turn to mental illness as a blame and yes, it plays a part in many of the killings we see….but there's also just simply a bunch of hate in the world. You don't have to be mentally ill to murder someone. You can just be so angry and full of hate in your heart. You could be raised to think this is the way. Your environment could have been violent. There are other factors that don't involve being mentally ill, people can just be angry assholes.
Not saying this guy doesn't have a mental illness, just saying it doesn't always have to be a factor. I read that he had a 4.0 GPA and got a scholarship but got more and more in to politics and expressed his anger over Charlie "spreading hate". I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to otherwise have been a "normal" person until he took the deep political turn and just got angry.
Mental illness is a serious issue but so is just simply angry, hate filled, violent people.
Not saying this guy doesn't have a mental illness, just saying it doesn't always have to be a factor. I read that he had a 4.0 GPA and got a scholarship but got more and more in to politics and expressed his anger over Charlie "spreading hate". I wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to otherwise have been a "normal" person until he took the deep political turn and just got angry.
Mental illness is a serious issue but so is just simply angry, hate filled, violent people.
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It's not in the name, it's in the policies. That article describes them pretty accurately. But yeah, if someone gets their historical knowledge from Wikipedia, it's difficult to argue anything, and all you can hope for are lol reactions. Anyway, I don't have time for this.
thefool
Member
Good on SK i guess. Better late than never, these people need to understand that pushing this absurdity that conservatives are fascists and nazis because they disagree with them will keep pushing lunatics into violence.
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Mondai
Gold Member
Lol tu estas cabron tipo.
Unknown?
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He lost his white privilege card, I heard.
calico
Member
Lead by example
It really does speak volumes about how different the two sides are
His words are admirable, but we have seen for a long time now that one side has no interest in an off-ramp. That would leave them with the societal status quo, which is intolerable to them and contrary to their aims. If violence is the only way of achieving their unpopular vision for society, they cannot accept any off-ramp which precludes their continued use violence as a political tool to achieve it.
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
That tweet is dripping with his on brand sarcasm. He's too old to give a fuck, either way. If he got canceled ten years ago, he'd still have enough money to afford the dumbest public takes possible.
8BiTw0LF
Consoomer
Seeing all this from the outside of USA. You guys need to shake hands and be friends. The rhetoric that's been going on for far too long needs to stop, if you want to live in an open society. It's okay to be against and for things that you don't agree with. Far-left and far-right seems to be the problem, so try to meet in the middle - it's been done before. The alternative will be devastating.
Just my 2 cents.
Just my 2 cents.
Sushi_Combo
Member
Nope, I just mean overall sentiment is wildly different when it's happening to someone on the right. But if the same conditions are applied to the other side, nobody bats and eye and goes on with their day.
The gleeful responses are just noise to stoke emotions, it's terrible when anyone gets shot due to political reasons, it further destabilizes the social order.
steve_o_3000
Member
It may be in reference to the dog that was killed alongside the Minnesota rep and Senator.
Punished Miku
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There has been an off-ramp for 200 years. It's called the peaceful transfer of power, elections, laws that apply to everyone including presidents, and courts that review the laws.It really does speak volumes about how different the two sides are
His words are admirable, but we have seen for a long time now that one side has no interest in an off-ramp. That would leave them with the societal status quo, which is intolerable to them and contrary to their aims. If violence is the only way of achieving their unpopular vision for society, they cannot accept any off-ramp which precludes their continued use violence as a political tool to achieve it.
See any issues? I do genuinely put like 90% of the blame on social media but we are living through some insane policy changes that are like a dagger to the heart of peace, stability, and off-ramps. Genuine well-meaning intelligent conservatives should have been able to see that it was an issue after Jan. 6th. That isn't asking a lot.
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Unknown?
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I believe this is mostly true but don't use Wikipedia as a legit source. They regurgitate what corporate media says and censors anyone with facts proving otherwise.
p_xavier
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Vestal
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At the very least Uncle Sam will come knocking.
John Bilbo
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TheChadOfGaming
Member
colleges needs to be held accountable for their brainwashing
