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[Ozriel]

It really does speak volumes about how different the two sides are

His words are admirable, but we have seen for a long time now that one side has no interest in an off-ramp. That would leave them with the societal status quo, which is intolerable to them and contrary to their aims. If violence is the only way of achieving their unpopular vision for society, they cannot accept any off-ramp which precludes their continued use violence as a political tool to achieve it.

Influential voices from the 'other side' were calling for a civil war, posting extremely incendiary and inflammatory rhetoric and vowing revenge.

Seeing all this from the outside of USA. You guys need to shake hands and be friends. The rhetoric that's been going on for far too long needs to stop, if you want to live in an open society. It's okay to be against and for things that you don't agree with. Far-left and far-right seems to be the problem, so try to meet in the middle - it's been done before. The alternative will be devastating.

Just my 2 cents.

It's terrible. None of this makes - or keeps - America great and the only ones who benefit from this shit are the Russians and Chinese.

People are gleefully speedrunning the division of their country and it's terrible.

 

[steve_o_3000]

Seeing all this from the outside of USA. You guys need to shake hands and be friends. The rhetoric that's been going on for far too long needs to stop, if you want to live in an open society. It's okay to be against and for things that you don't agree with. Far-left and far-right seems to be the problem, so try to meet in the middle - it's been done before. The alternative will be devastating.

Just my 2 cents.

Big facts. I was in the Air Force for over 20 years. I have ultra liberal and conservative friends from all over the country. They are all great people. We are able to laugh at each other and discuss things rationally and come to a compromise on most issues. When you look at social media, it just doesn't feel like an accurate reflection of us. It sucks. It's like the humanity is removed from us.

 

[mileslongthe3rd]

So the killer was an Edgelord who liked, for example, to cosplay as a Russian Gopnik, with a similar family background as the guy who shot at Trump?

Well, that sure is something.

 

[p_xavier]

colleges needs to be held accountable for their brainwashing

He really does need to have a single cell application.

 

[12Goblins]

Moving on, I guess.

 

[poppabk]

Even Stephen King has now deleted his tweet claiming that Kirk supported stoning gays, and even apologized for it, a true rarity for a guy like King.

Truly a mystery how calls for violence against Kirk and calling him a fascist spread online when even in this thread we had people posting that stoning bit and nodding along like "yeah of course, he believes in sky daddy so he wants to kill everyone and is a fascist duh"

I mean we still had someone repeating months old lies about the motives of the Minnesota killer just a few posts above this. The murderer in this instance went from a bald lefty boomer, to a trans man, to this dumbass kid. The truth has become extremely malleable in the modern social media age - it's basically just constant bullshit with the truth only showing its head when enough people feel strongly enough about something to push back on the lies.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

colleges needs to be held accountable for their brainwashing

Absolutely despicable.

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

colleges needs to be held accountable for their brainwashing

Remember when they fired this guy for cracking his knuckles during the summer of love? Both sides are exactly the same. It's not productive to compare them.

 

[Mondai]

Moving on, I guess.

Lol Trump doesn't care about anyone but himself.

 

[Antwix]

Seeing all this from the outside of USA. You guys need to shake hands and be friends. The rhetoric that's been going on for far too long needs to stop, if you want to live in an open society. It's okay to be against and for things that you don't agree with. Far-left and far-right seems to be the problem, so try to meet in the middle - it's been done before. The alternative will be devastating.

Just my 2 cents.

It's too far gone. People celebrate the assassination of the "let's have a debate" guy.

 

[dem]

colleges needs to be held accountable for their brainwashing

I don't understand how people are so comfortable posting stuff like this online under their own name.

People who appear to be much more intelligent than me.

Wild.


I won't even post run of the mill political opinions on facebook. I don't need to be debating friends about politics online.

 

[captainnapalm]

Both sides still commit violent attacks but things have moved into dangerous territory on the left. Assassinating CEOs on the street, firebombing car showrooms, attacking Tesla drivers, brutally killing a guy for doing debates on a college campus - these are bad enough but for them to be widely celebrated - and not just by online losers but like so-called respectable members of society - shows something is wrong.

Meanwhile, smearing everyone you dislike as Nazis and fascists dangerously heightens the rhetoric, because some overmedicated 22-year-old loser might just start thinking someone deserves to die if they are literally like Hitler.

These are extremist positions that have infected the mainstream of the left.

 

[reinking]

Glad they caught the person. I'm out now as politics on the internet is not my thing.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

colleges needs to be held accountable for their brainwashing

Utterly sick. Unbelievable to think that so-called 'intellectuals' in a western democracy can be so vile and ignorant.

 

[Vestal]

Lol Trump doesn't care about anyone but himself.

There isn't an angle for them to play here anymore. Unless something changes this won't be used as a rally call for something more. Facts on the ground make that difficult atm.

So on to the next order of business.

 

[daffyduck]

Someone should post that on one of the "Murdered by Words" type reddit subs, although it would likely get automodded, and earn the op a site wide ban.

 

[Thaimasker]

Moving on, I guess.

A lot of people were saying this was going to be some massive change moment that would completely alter our society/laws/media, but I don't share the same prediction. Most people are going to be moving on relatively quickly. Already the temperature seems to be going down. This is the case with every shooting in the U.S that I can remember. No matter how tragic or political or non-political

 

[Roni]

Because it was left on left violence, in retaliation for breaking ranks and voting to end healthcare for illegal immigrants a few days earlier.

This is how leftists operate and enforce order within the party. The next one will know better than to defy the party though, right?

Vance Boelter was a conservative starkly against abortion rights. Why do you lie?

 

[cyberheater]

I'm going to give Reddit a break for a bit. I kind of forgot how left wing that place is.

 

[DragoonKain]

colleges needs to be held accountable for their brainwashing

That's part of it, but cheering about the death of someone and wanting to see violent images of it is a whole other animal. Sociopathy and narcissism are both scaled traits. Both are strong precursors to violent behavior. I don't care who the person is, shit it could be the person you hate most in the world. If you see something that gory and graphic and not only aren't appalled but want to see more of it, you have scary high levels of sociopathy. If someone told this to a therapist they could have major concerns about the person's psyche.

 

[Loope]

It's not in the name, it's in the policies. That article describes them pretty accurately. But yeah, if someone gets their historical knowledge from Wikipedia, it's difficult to argue anything, and all you can hope for are lol reactions. Anyway, I don't have time for this.

I can assure you it isn't not the case at all before you go willy nilly throwing insults around. I had my education in Europe, where they actually teach all of this in highschool instead of the bravado picture of WW. The Nazi party had plenty of politics considered conservative and actually aligned with the fascist parties on Italy and Spain. But i guess i'm the one reading wikipedia and not the opinion of one historian, like alll the other historians throughout history ceased to exist.

 

[Punished Miku]

That's part of it, but cheering about the death of someone and wanting to see violent images of it is a whole other animal. Sociopathy and narcissism are both scaled traits. Both are strong precursors to violent behavior.

100%. Totally beyond the pale.

 

[DrFigs]

Seeing all this from the outside of USA. You guys need to shake hands and be friends. The rhetoric that's been going on for far too long needs to stop, if you want to live in an open society. It's okay to be against and for things that you don't agree with. Far-left and far-right seems to be the problem, so try to meet in the middle - it's been done before. The alternative will be devastating.

Just my 2 cents.

It is devastating that Charlie got killed. It's shameful that anybody was celebrating it. But I just see a lot of inconsistency in the outrage and gross opportunism to win political points by blaming "the other side", when we had zero idea of who the shooter was. We had at least one person, probably many, in this thread calling all democrats terrorists. Additionally, the kumbaya thing doesn't quite work because we have legitimate grievances with republicans on issues that are non-negotiable. See for example rampant denialism over who won the election in 2020 and support for rioters on Jan 6.

 

[Mistake]

Glad they caught the person. I'm out now as politics on the internet is not my thing.

Once motive and what's on seized devices get released, I'm also taking a break. It's been a heavy week

 

[Barrier Island Dweller]

They are going to find his purple site info on his phone. His rankings and ravings sound like daily discourse over there.

 

[Mondai]

Trump:

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I can almost guarantee the wife (and family) forgiving this dude; una cachetada con guante blanco to the other side, so defeating, humiliating, and utterly disarming. Further alienating the extremists on social media.

Now, in terms of justice… this dude should either be executed or sentenced to life in prison, as simple as that.

 

[Portugeezer]

That's part of it, but cheering about the death of someone and wanting to see violent images of it is a whole other animal. Sociopathy and narcissism are both scaled traits. Both are strong precursors to violent behavior. I don't care who the person is, shit it could be the person you hate most in the world. If you see something that gory and graphic and not only aren't appalled but want to see more of it, you have scary high levels of sociopathy. If someone told this to a therapist they could have major concerns about the person's psyche.

He's the leftist version of those ISIS supporters who jizzed viewing executions.

 

[Punished Miku]

Additionally, the kumbaya thing doesn't quite work because we have legitimate grievances with republicans on issues that are non-negotiable. See for example rampant denialism over who won the election in 2020 and support for rioters on Jan 6.

It really is like ... a direct lead up to mass destabilization of the whole country. Every rational person has to acknowledge it.

If we can't have elections that aren't taken over by force, then it will literally be a dictatorship and people will only have the means to oppose that with violence. That's not me asking for that. That is just undeniable reality. That's why everyone on the right wants the second amendment supposedly.

It's literally insane that this is still just brushed over. This isn't touching the many, many other blatantly illegal things going on that are making it clear the law isn't applying anymore. That's a pretty dangerous thing for a civilized society. Surely conservatives can agree that following laws is probably a good and safe thing? Been waiting for that to kick in as it hasn't happened yet.

Surely there should be agreement that the people in power would leave if they lose an election, but there hasn't been acknowledgement of that since before 2016.

 

[Vestal]

I can almost guarantee the wife (and family) forgiving this dude; una cachetada con guante blanco to the other side, so defeating, humiliating, and utterly disarming. Further alienating the extremists on social media.

Now, in terms of justice… this dude should either be executed or sentenced to life in prison, as simple as that.

Given that his father turned him in, life. They will go the mental illness route.

 

[EviLore]

Moving on, I guess.

 

[SJRB]

Moving on, I guess.

You expected him to start crying or something? He did an entire public address on the situation just yesterday.

 

[Vestal]

It's been 10+ years of constant him. We should all know better by now.

 

[Punished Miku]

He did an entire public address on the situation just yesterday.

Supposedly.

 

[Vestal]

You expected him to start crying or something? He did an entire public address on the situation just yesterday.

Acknowledge Kirks existence given that he was such a dear friend? I dunno, you know empathy stuff.

 

[Fbh]

colleges needs to be held accountable for their brainwashing

No matter how much you disliked someone, claiming you want to see footage of someone being murdered as a way to relax and cheer up is straight up psychopathic

 

[ReasonBeing]

Nope. The killer was a Republican voter whom friends and family described as deeply religious and conservative, and was targeting abortion-rights advocates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_shootings_of_Minnesota_legislators#Manhunt_and_arrest

Slow down with the facts.

Edit: I want to point out these points are largely meaningless. "The left" and "The right" are incredibly broad terms that are meaningless when accessing why someone murders another person. Anarchist are "the left" yet don't align with most left leanings ideology. Violent white supremacists are "the right" yet most right wingers don't subscribe to their message. These "my side is better than your side" games are the trap that we have all fallen victim to.

These people are mentally ill and that trumps any political leaning when discussing why someone decided to kill in cold blood. At most, it is relevant in deciding who to kill, but not the act of killing itself. The types of messages coming from these political entities are more relevant, and no matter which side of the aisle you are on, your side is guilty of dehumanizing the other. Your side is responsible for tricking Americans to believe it's a zero sum game. It's your sides fault for making so many believe that compromise is impossible.

 

[ShadowNate]

Or the fired one. Not sure how anyone can take anything seriously from bullets that had dick references, furry memes and Helldivers 2 codes on them.

These all read like idiotic things people write in a live chat while playing a deathmatch.

 

[daffyduck]

Acknowledge Kirks existence given that he was such a dear friend? I dunno, you know empathy stuff.

IIRC, he did more than once during that same scrum.

edit: that one question/answer sounds callous by itself, but that wasn't the impression I got from the answers as a whole.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

Given that his father turned him in, life. They will go the mental illness route.

the dude also said he would rather kill himself (allegedly) . let see how he act and say in the interrogation.

 

[SJRB]

I think its only a matter of time before someone starts to call SK a fascist, Nazi, just because he fact check.

This is the problem with people like Stephen King and similar ilk.

They'll assume the moral high ground, take a self-righteous position and throw around the most heinous accusations, dehumanizing someone and only when they get caught do a "whoops my bad" with a pathetic "I will do better" or "that's what I get for not fact-checking".

No, you stupid motherfucker. You actively contribute to an environment that dehumanizes people simply for opposing your view.

 

[Eesha]

i still have no idea of what politic stance he had, but it looks like a fresh brain-rotten kid who read too much stuff on Discord.

Edit. should specify that im talking about the killer, of course.

 

[RoadHazard]

I was not a fan of Charlie Kirk whatsoever, but I'm always against violence. Debate people you disagree with, don't kill them (unless it's like a tyrannical dictator or something).

I'm also strongly against the death penalty though (no state should be killing its own citizens) so I hope the killer doesn't get that. Many years in prison, yes.

 

[calico]

See any issues?

Yes I explained the issue. The leftist vision for the future of society (open borders, mutilating children, men in women's sports and bathrooms etc.) is too unpopular to attain without getting their through violence. Thus they cannot accept an off-ramp which leaves them having to rely on non-violent methods.

It is still admirable to urge them to try, but even if some on the left are inclined to listen, the far left will not permit it. If there is to be an off-ramp, it will first require what remains of the somewhat moderate left to come together with the right to address the problem of the far left. It seems unlikely.

 

[stn]

i still have no idea of what politic stance he had, but it looks like a fresh brain-rotten kid who read too much stuff on Discord.

This is the answer pretty much 99% of the time. People just sit at home consuming LEFT WING VERSUS RIGHT WING RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! media 24/7 without going outside, socializing, and practicing kindness. Then, they pollute echo chambers where everyone is saying the same shit, and they all just brainwash each other further. People need to go outside smell some fresh air for a change.

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

There is absolutely scattered violence out there from both ends of political spectrum... but the massive gulf many of us have noticed in recent years is that the Left-aligned killings are open, shamelessly applauded by a disturbingly large range of left individuals online, even prominent ones. It's everywhere, the sentiment that someone like Charlie deserved his death or that it's perfectly fine to celebrate it.

That's very hard to find on the right, you'll have to search much deeper to see any such sentiments.

 

[Thaimasker]

On the groyper( far right and critical of Kirk) 4chan board some are convinced that he is one of them.

Looking at all the bullet casings, the writings read like ironic troll shit, not some manifesto. Its possible but I'd be surprised if he suddenly turned super left wing.

This guy was deep in some super online, deep corners of the internet shit that's for sure.

 

[Punished Miku]

Yes I explained the issue. The leftist vision for the future of society (open borders, mutilating children, men in women's sports and bathrooms etc.) is too unpopular to attain without getting their through violence. Thus they cannot accept an off-ramp which leaves them having to rely on non-violent methods.

It is still admirable to urge them to try, but even if some on the left are inclined to listen, the far left will not permit it. If there is to be an off-ramp, it will first require what remains of the somewhat moderate left to come together with the right to address the problem of the far left. It seems unlikely.

Totally ignored everything I said. Not surprised.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

Nope. The killer was a Republican voter whom friends and family described as deeply religious and conservative, and was targeting abortion-rights advocates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_shootings_of_Minnesota_legislators#Manhunt_and_arrest

Well well well

 

[Hot5pur]

Well there it is. Wasn't political, just like the guy who took a swipe at Donald. These are youthful edgelords with serious mental issues.

Seems to me more like guns ending up in the wrong hands far too easily. Though Charlie himself said that shootings are a small price to pay for the 2nd amendment. I doubt his wife and kids would agree.