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[corgiix3]

This is the answer pretty much 99% of the time. People just sit at home consuming LEFT WING VERSUS RIGHT WING RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!!! media 24/7 without going outside, socializing, and practicing kindness. Then, they pollute echo chambers where everyone is saying the same shit, and they all just brainwash each other further. People need to go outside smell some fresh air for a change.

this^

 

[Vestal]

On the groyper( far right and critical of Kirk) 4chan board some are convinced that he is one of them.

Looking at all the bullet casings, the writings read like ironic troll shit, not some manifesto. Its possible but I'd be surprised if he suddenly turned super left wing.

This guy was deep in some super online, deep corners of the internet shit that's for sure.

Nut job. Insane if he had influence from that circle.(Nick Fuentes and his ilk)

 

[Punished Miku]

Nut job. Insane if he had influence from that circle.(Nick Fuentes and his ilk)

I heard some theories that Kirk was "openly at war" with Groypers for a while. I don't know any of that crap though. I'll just wait to see what comes out of it.

 

[Freelance Yakuza]

Or the fired one. Not sure how anyone can take anything seriously from bullets that had dick references, furry memes and Helldivers 2 codes on them.

The Helldivers' ideology poses a danger to Western civilization. We must resist it.

 

[vpance]

Good on him. SP and Sony are desperately hoping this news wave passes over asap.

 

[calico]

Totally ignored everything I said. Not surprised.

You brought up the (peaceful) political process and I explained to you why that is not an acceptable 'off-ramp' for the left. The left's insane vision for the future cannot be achieved if they are restricted to peaceful methods. Hence the violence and widespread calls for more violence.

 

[Thaimasker]

Well there it is. Wasn't political, just like the guy who took a swipe at Donald. These are youthful edgelords with serious mental issues.

Seems to me more like guns ending up in the wrong hands far too easily. Though Charlie himself said that shootings are a small price to pay for the 2nd amendment. I doubt his wife and kids would agree.

I mean , even if he was a groyper ( which is where I'm heavily leaning) it was political. Just not left vs right. But right vs right.

 

[steve_o_3000]

The Helldivers' ideology poses a danger to Western civilization. We must resist it.

That sounds like a direct threat to High Command. Reported.

 

[cormack12]

Looks like he Donated to the trump camp & doesn't seem to be attributed to any "Minority" group most people claimed in this thread.

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Fyi

 

[Sebastian1295]

No matter if you're democratic or republican, you should never celebrate nor dismiss people's empathy to someone losing their life in the way that kirk lost his. This has nothing to do with where you stand in terms of your beliefs, it has everything to do with being a human being and realizing that stuff like this is sickening and disgusting.

 

[Punished Miku]

You brought up the (peaceful) political process and I explained to you why that is not an acceptable 'off-ramp' for the left. The left's insane vision for the future cannot be achieved if they are restricted to peaceful methods. Hence the violence and widespread calls for more violence.

Discussing whether or not you want to participate in upholding peaceful transfer of power is not partisan, or left vs right. It's just the absolute basics for determining if we're in a democracy or a dictatorship. There's no need to get in any partisan jabs. Blocking you by the way, so carry on with whatever you want. Nothing further to explain to you. Period.

 

[Unfortunatecookie]

At some point, people will make the connection between being upset at the race of a fictional videogame character, a logo change at a failing business, and millions of people wishing death and destruction to others based on unsourced JPEG allegations and not on sourced law enforcement evidence.

At some point, people will realize that declining birth rates, growing cases of mental illnesses, and unregulated capitalism will never be reversed by lashing out and trying to paint everyone else as the problem. When that realization happens, I guarantee you that the divisiveness and anger in America will then make complete sense.

 

[Lokaum D+]

So, ll Tyler face death penalty ?

 

[OLED_Gamer]

No matter if you're democratic or republican, you should never celebrate nor dismiss people's empathy to someone losing their life in the way that kirk lost his. This has nothing to do with where you stand in terms of your beliefs, it has everything to do with being a human being and realizing that stuff like this is sickening and disgusting.

What I find interesting, as a non- American, that the Kirk assassination is wildly more talked about then the shooting at the Colorado school on the same day.

My FB feed is full of those with their thoughts on Kirk, but I have seen maybe one post about the Colorado school shooting.

 

[calico]

Nothing further to explain to you. Period.

No more talk? Time for me to start checking rooftops?

 

[violence]

You expected him to start crying or something? He did an entire public address on the situation just yesterday.

The president has to repeat himself a lot and I can't imagine he likes talking about assassinations.

 

[th4tguy]

They are going to find his purple site info on his phone. His rankings and ravings sound like daily discourse over there.

Half of us here have the same purple site info on their phones. You can tell by the amount of people posting updates about what is happening over there related to certain events.
Fact is, a lot of people said he was going to be an extreme leftist, millennial, trans, or any other extreme boogyman type character you are afraid of and it turns out (yet again) that it's a crazy qanon/4chan edgelord guy in his early 20s. While he wasn't affiliated with a political party, he dressed as trump for halloween and seemed to lean into other conservative views/ from a conservative family. Overall, he was described as not very political.
It's crazy how much some people want this to be a rep vs dems thing. There are clearly violent loons with all kinds of political beliefs.

 

[calico]

What I find interesting, as a non- American, that the Kirk assassination is wildly more talked about then the shooting at the Colorado school on the same day.

My FB feed is full of those with their thoughts on Kirk, but I have seen maybe one post about the Colorado school shooting.

High profile individual I guess, but I understand what you mean.

 

[DeVeAn]

Good on him. SP and Sony are desperately hoping this news wave passes over asap.

This guy always irked me, but you know what good on him and the cause. I respect that.

 

[kpopSuperstar]

I don't understand how people are so comfortable posting stuff like this online under their own name.

People who appear to be much more intelligent than me.

Wild.


I won't even post run of the mill political opinions on facebook. I don't need to be debating friends about politics online.

You need to learn this though, there is a thing about maturing online, some of the most normal and mature people sound like nutty people online. People get angry and vent on social media without grasping what they are really saying. This guy sounds like a fuckhead though.

 

[th4tguy]

Hearing the press conference, my biggest concern is that they are very clearly painting a picture to the wide world as to why this guy did it and is guilty.
The problem with that is, it will be almost impossible to find a jury to have a trial with that isn't biased because of that info. A good lawyer is going to argue that point with every opportunity when trying to setup a fair trial.
Feels very unprofessional by the authorities.

 

[cormack12]

For those in US, I understand if he pleads guilty, thats straight to sentence? Likely death?

If he pleads Not Guilty, then he goes to a jury led trial?

 

[th4tguy]

For those in US, I understand if he pleads guilty, thats straight to sentence? Likely death?

If he pleads Not Guilty, then he goes to a jury led trial?

When you plead guilty, you wave your right to trial by jury.

 

[dem]

There is absolutely scattered violence out there from both ends of political spectrum... but the massive gulf many of us have noticed in recent years is that the Left-aligned killings are open, shamelessly applauded by a disturbingly large range of left individuals online, even prominent ones. It's everywhere, the sentiment that someone like Charlie deserved his death or that it's perfectly fine to celebrate it.

That's very hard to find on the right, you'll have to search much deeper to see any such sentiments.

Is it hard to find... or is it what your algorithm is showing you? I know X really loves to show me right wing influencers, and some people who are either completely mentally ill- or maybe bots, who annoy the ever-loving shit out of me.


As an example... a few days ago some news went out that the Canadian Prime Minister ran some sort of marathon. A few pictures circulated of him running the marathon. Whatever... regular news puff piece. But on Twitter... thousands of accounts started posting conspiracy theories about how it was fake. How he has a different shirt on at the finish line than at the start. How he was hiding his race number so he actually wasn't in the race. Just... absolute insanity. Somehow X decided this was "For Me"

What is that? Who are these people? Are they real people? Are they bots? Is it Russians sewing political division? I don't understand it.. and its fucking scary.

 

[calico]

Assuming this is the right guy, will he be tried by the state or feds? Federal seems risky if he can just be pardoned later.

 

[OLED_Gamer]

Hearing the press conference, my biggest concern is that they are very clearly painting a picture to the wide world as to why this guy did it and is guilty.
The problem with that is, it will be almost impossible to find a jury to have a trial with that isn't biased because of that info. A good lawyer is going to argue that point with every opportunity when trying to setup a fair trial.
Feels very unprofessional by the authorities.

Professionalism was never the normal operating procedures of this current WH though.

 

[ThatOneGrunt]

lol. The tonal change in this discussion, now that they have the shooter, is spectacular.

 

[JimmyRustler]

Your assumption has no ground to hold on. I was raised as a Christian, i live on a Christian society with religion being a part of our every day lives. I had to "fight" my extended family about my child being raised in an atheistic environment and not get christened.
I read and i rejected the illogical nature of religion a long time ago.

Just because you were raised as a Christian doesn't mean anything. I was too (I even used to do ministry as a kid) and hence know how utterly superficial the usual teachings are. And I know it because I also found myself existing the church in my early 20s. Most people don't actually know too much about it and it is really sad. I don't believe one bit that you actually took the time to read and inform yourself properly on good sources of Christianty. I mean, it took me years of reading references in non-fiction books to finally come around and be like "Ok, lets give it a try." Why would you, thinking all this to be utter nonsense, slog through hours upon hours of extremely difficult to grasp literature? Gimme a break.

But believe me, you owe it to yourself to take in good sources like Thomas Aquinas as well and not just pay attention to the bad stuff.

For starters I can only recommend Bishop Barron, who deals with bascially all all your critisism in his interviews, even the issue about child abuse in the church.

I didn't say Ancient Greece but Greek philosophers. We are not talking about values being accepted by an entire population but ideas getting written down.

... which I mentioned? Aristotle and Plato are THE Greek philosophers.

 

[dem]

Assuming this is the right guy, will he be tried by the state or feds? Federal seems risky if he can just be pardoned later.

Get help.
You're mentally ill.

 

[VaultBoy101]

lol. The tonal change in this discussion, now that they have the shooter, is spectacular.

Certain people were licking their chops in the hope that it would be a minority they could further demonize. Nope, just another young white dude radicalized by social media and other online discourse.

Now the discourse and headlines around this incident will fade away within a week, tops.

 

[Thaimasker]

lol. The tonal change in this discussion, now that they have the shooter, is spectacular.

I was just about to say the same thing and certain types of users are starting to post less, others are posting more. Feels like a social experiment

 

[WoodyStare]

I'm surprised the FBI didn't make him read that bullet so they could accuse him of being a mentally ill gay person.

 

[th4tguy]

There is absolutely scattered violence out there from both ends of political spectrum... but the massive gulf many of us have noticed in recent years is that the Left-aligned killings are open, shamelessly applauded by a disturbingly large range of left individuals online, even prominent ones. It's everywhere, the sentiment that someone like Charlie deserved his death or that it's perfectly fine to celebrate it.

That's very hard to find on the right, you'll have to search much deeper to see any such sentiments.

Is it though? Any left leaning or right leaning violence would need to have political reasoning behind it to be left or right. Are you just looking at who commited the crime and based off their appearance associating it with a political side?

A big problem everywhere that I see is everyone wanting to associate any act (good or bad) with a political party.
Why

 

[jason10mm]

I don't understand how people are so comfortable posting stuff like this online under their own name.

People who appear to be much more intelligent than me.

Wild.


I won't even post run of the mill political opinions on facebook. I don't need to be debating friends about politics online.

Hear hear. Even posting on this forum has a level of broader social media visibility thanks to search engines I'd rather it not.

It's easy to think gaf is gaffing amongst gaf friends, but folks troll through here (or google does) to put stuff up on blast from time to time.

But to post on X, bluesky, or instagram....good grief might as well just tie the noose and wait for someone to kick the stool out from under you with ANYTHING you post.

 

[th4tguy]

I was just about to say the same thing and certain types of users are starting to post less, others are posting more. Feels like a social experiment

Part of it is truly where people are located in the world. This forum gets a LOT of people in the UK and eastern Europe posting. Around this time, they are winding down for bed/ dinner and more of the US people are hopping online.

 

[Vestal]

I was just about to say the same thing and certain types of users are starting to post less, others are posting more. Feels like a social experiment

It no longer fits the narrative. I mean shit was getting built up to unimaginable proportions. Particularly yesterday morning when the initial report on the bullets came out.. People were frothing at the mouth.

 

[calico]

in the hope that it would be a minority

When did that come up?

Most were expecting what it appears to be: a radicalized leftist. The target of the attack made that all but a certainty.

 

[Lokaum D+]

Certain people were licking their chops in the hope that it would be a minority they could further demonize. Nope, just another young white dude radicalized by social media and other online discourse.

Now the discourse and headlines around this incident will fade away within a week, tops.

if by "radicalized by social media" you mean by the left, i agree

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

Lot of minimizing going on in here.

Edit: No idea who "TimcastNews" is, BTW, just posted for the first photo.

 

[MayauMiao]

Rolling Stones hypocrisy

 

[mileslongthe3rd]

if by "radicalized by social media" you mean by the left, i agree

You do realize that some people on the right wrote openly on Twitter that if the shooter would have been trans, they should end the whole movement.

That was pretty close to the Reichskristallnacht shit we already had once.

This would have been a good chance for everybody to turn down the rhetoric, but instead people went to 150%, including people like Musk or King.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Not surprisingly, it's a white guy.

If there's one consistent thing about USA mass shootings, politicians getting shot/killed or any other splashy violent event trying to make a statement it's pretty much almost always white guys.

It makes sense it's basically never a woman because they dont do a lot of crime, especially really violent ones.

But when it comes to school shootings or politicians getting involved, it's white male adult, or white male student. And almost always from small towns. I dont think you get too many big shooting events like this in New York City or hugely populated cities, which you'd think would the norm based on population density and lots of crime in metro areas. But it always seems to skew to the outskirts or some rural kind of town with big fields or a shooting in a giant high school.

 

[Topher]

What I find interesting, as a non- American, that the Kirk assassination is wildly more talked about then the shooting at the Colorado school on the same day.

My FB feed is full of those with their thoughts on Kirk, but I have seen maybe one post about the Colorado school shooting.

Political assassinations are rarer events. Celebrity deaths get more attention regardless. Really isn't that out of the ordinary.

 

[wa600]

Half of us here have the same purple site info on their phones. You can tell by the amount of people posting updates about what is happening over there related to certain events.
Fact is, a lot of people said he was going to be an extreme leftist, millennial, trans, or any other extreme boogyman type character you are afraid of and it turns out (yet again) that it's a crazy qanon/4chan edgelord guy in his early 20s. While he wasn't affiliated with a political party, he dressed as trump for halloween and seemed to lean into other conservative views/ from a conservative family. Overall, he was described as not very political.
It's crazy how much some people want this to be a rep vs dems thing. There are clearly violent loons with all kinds of political beliefs.

That halloween costume was from 2017. How old was he then? 14? You think every person has the exact same political belief when he is 14 years as well when he is 22 years old?
Wouldnt even call that 'dressed up as Trump' because he is not Trump on that photo, he is riding on Trump. How do we even know what his thoughts were when chosing that costume? Personally I have no idea, but you clearly know that he was trying to express that he was a huge Trump fanboy back then.

 

[Mobilemofo]

Was it a white college guy ?

I'm banned from X for a week for calling Keir starmer a useless cunt, so can't really dig into it.

 

[Thaimasker]

What I find interesting, as a non- American, that the Kirk assassination is wildly more talked about then the shooting at the Colorado school on the same day.

My FB feed is full of those with their thoughts on Kirk, but I have seen maybe one post about the Colorado school shooting.

Most people don't talk about any shooting for more than a few seconds anymore, this is political and politics is really the only monoculture we have in the U.S nowadays

 

[mileslongthe3rd]

It makes sense it's basically never a woman because they dont do a lot of crime, especially really violent ones.

Women kill differently and usually have a higher body count than men when they go all in.

The angel of death in hospitals and retirement homes is not a trope; there are a lot of them.

 

[Thaimasker]

Was it a white college guy ?

I'm banned from X for a week for calling Keir starmer a useless cunt, so can't really dig into it.

He is a white guy, but only was in college for 1 semester in 2021 apparently.

Edit : is in electrical apprenticeship program at Dixie Technical College

 

[dem]

Not surprisingly, it's a white guy.

If there's one consistent thing about USA mass shootings, politicians getting shot/killed or any other splashy violent event trying to make a statement it's pretty much almost always white guys.

It makes sense it's basically never a woman because they dont do a lot of crime, especially really violent ones.

But when it comes to school shootings or politicians getting involved, it's white male adult, or white male student. And almost always from small towns. I dont think you get too many big shooting events like this in New York City or hugely populated cities, which you'd think would the norm based on population density and lots of crime in metro areas. But it always seems to skew to the outskirts or some rural kind of town with big fields or a shooting in a giant high school.

Black people don't seem to be caught up in this stuff.

They have their own internet with their own problems

 

[kruis]

Moving on, I guess.