Charlie Kirk assassinated at Utah campus event

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Problem is the fascist term has been use in such disingenuous ways from the left, the word has lost its meaning. Many probably see the word as a calling card from the radical left to attack the right.
I don't know, you can't have it both ways. There are certain ideals that both liberals and conservativesncan agree on. I don't buy that a true conservative wouldn't be anti-facist. Seems like a topic most Americans would agree on.

I'm not trying to put your words into your mouth, but it's the same as those that pretend you can't be a right winger if you are anti-trump. These ideas aren't mutually exclusive to one side of the aisle.
 
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Is there such thing?

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I don't know, you can't have it both ways. There are certain ideals that both liberals and conservativesncan agree on. I don't buy that a true conservative wouldn't be anti-facist. Seems like a topic most Americans would agree on.
We are all anti-fascist, we just don't use it as a major talking point because we actually know what the word fascist means.
 
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Well to be fair, a normal conservative should be anti-fascist as well, considering a core tenant of American conservatism is small government. If being anti-fascist automatically put you on the left, does that mean to be on the right you have to be profacist?
Perhaps, but they are not actually "anti fascists". They are fascists claiming to be against fascism. Therein lies the issue. Effectively it is the same as those which are hyper focused on race, "anti-racists" sometimes they call themselves, but also seem to think you "cannot be racist towards white people" or whatever propaganda they spout, ie they are racists. These are just Orwellian labels they are using and many do indeed fall for it.
 
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...your Trans roomie, ...somehow I'm not surprised
It sucks so many in the trans community are lacking empathy with this. It only reinforces negative stereotypes and is only going to make things worse for her.

Thankfully, some like Brianna Wu is calling those doing that, out.
 
or just plain retarded.
I think that's the one :messenger_tears_of_joy:
I think it's because men are just naturally more physically violent than women. Iirc I read study that showed that (in general) the suicide attempt rate between men and women is pretty even or women's is even higher(?), but the suicide mortality rate is higher with men because dudes tend to use way more agressive methods that are way more likely to do the job.
It's the same thing with agression in general, women tend to use more psychological and verbal agression tactics, meanwhile us dudes just go full on monkey brain and start blasting.

Of course this is an absurd over-simplification and generalization, but I honestly believe men are simply more physically violent. With the right help I also believe it's possible to reduce these kinds of attacks obviously, I don't mean they're inevitable, what I mean is that even if the number of attacks is greatly reduced, it will never be possible to even out the numbers between the sexes and men will still be the majority of the perpetrators.
 


I find it amusing bella ciao is being pushed as the groyper smoking gun, but it's been historically an ANTIFA bit. Have to give it to left wing talking heads. They're really good at pushing false narratives and memory holing history.
 
I don't know, you can't have it both ways. There are certain ideals that both liberals and conservativesncan agree on. I don't buy that a true conservative wouldn't be anti-facist. Seems like a topic most Americans would agree on.

I'm not trying to put your words into your mouth, but it's the same as those that pretend you can't be a right winger if you are anti-trump. These ideas aren't mutually exclusive to one side of the aisle.

Just be anti fascist but don't go around throwing such term towards anyone that disagrees with the other side.
It cheapens the meaning and preventing actual discussion.
 


I find it amusing bella ciao is being pushed as the groyper smoking gun, but it's been historically an ANTIFA bit. Have to give it to left wing talking heads. They're really good at pushing false narratives and memory holing history.

it has to fit that thing called agenda that they try to push so hard.
 
Some girl in my hospital started some shit. Was caught saying on Fb/X bunch of stupid shit about how she was glad CK was killed, doubling down saying she didn't regret saying it, etc . Then hundreds of people from all over country review bombed the hospital and doxxed admins names and addresses giving out death threats and all kinds of crazy shit. People have lost their fucking minds.
 
I'm relieved they caught him. I hope Kirk's wife and family can find some peace in this. I'm going to step away from this thread/topic for a while, I've been reading too many disturbing takes since this began. Rest in peace, Kirk.
 
Some girl in my hospital started some shit. Was caught saying on Fb/X bunch of stupid shit about how she was glad CK was killed, doubling down saying she didn't regret saying it, etc . Then hundreds of people from all over country review bombed the hospital and doxxed admins names and addresses giving out death threats and all kinds of crazy shit. People have lost their fucking minds.

For better or for worse, cancel culture is being used by both sides now. Progress from majority one side. Or devolution. Depending how you look at it.
 
Just be anti fascist but don't go around throwing such term towards anyone that disagrees with the other side.
It cheapens the meaning and preventing actual discussion.
I don't know, it's sort of off topic, but I grew up conservative through and through, voted for the T in 2016, quickly realized my error. At first it was mostly a character issue, I thought he was a liar and divider, and I don't want our president to have those qualities. Now I'm strongly anti-T, but still believe in the core principles of conservatism. Just giving you some background so you have an idea of how I view the world.

Finally to the point, I wouldn't have called the T a fascist during his first term, but I absolutely see what they are talking about this go around. I'm sure some just throw the term around, but there are many that aren't just saying it because they disagree with them, they truly see it. I do.

Feel free to push back, seriously, I just won't be going any further as it's off topic.
 
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Some girl in my hospital started some shit. Was caught saying on Fb/X bunch of stupid shit about how she was glad CK was killed, doubling down saying she didn't regret saying it, etc . Then hundreds of people from all over country review bombed the hospital and doxxed admins names and addresses giving out death threats and all kinds of crazy shit. People have lost their fucking minds.
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My roomie, who I really love, is cheering Charlie Kirk's death and mocking his wife while she's crying.

I didn't like Charlie Kirk either but it's very disturbing.

This is just my opinion, but it sounds like it would be in your interest to part ways already. It can't be good for the soul to live with someone who is so callously hateful as to mock the widow of a man who was just murdered and left behind two very young children.
 
Just be anti fascist but don't go around throwing such term towards anyone that disagrees with the other side.
It cheapens the meaning and preventing actual discussion.
How do you not see the irony in calling everyone that's not a conservative- "Far Left/ Radical Leftist / Marxist / Woke Agenda / Trans ideology" etc that's literally all I see all day on the internet when in reality 98% of liberals are good caring people with good intentions, just like conservatives.
 
he's always been like this. trademark narcissist behavior. Just look at what he says here.



I'm pretty sure he's saying that he doesn't care about far-right radicals, not that he doesn't care about fixing the country. Which is still a silly thing to say, because radicals are radicals.

Edit. Full context, starts at 29:10.



You are both getting it wrong.

He is saying he couldn't care less about him getting in trouble for what he is about to say next.
 
This is just my opinion, but it sounds like it would be in your interest to part ways already. It can't be good for the soul to live with someone who is so callously hateful as to mock the widow of a man who was just murdered and left behind two very young children.
I hear you but not going to lie I have an emotional attachment to her. She's like a big sister to me. Not to mention she actually is very intelligent and skilled and has done a lot of maintenance work here. I'm not exaggerating when I say she can do almost anything.

But she does lack in the empathy department among some of her other flaws.

Anyway, I don't want this to be about her in regards to living situation. But it does bring up serious questions to me and comes down to people ecstatic about a man's death who hasn't raped or killed anyone.
 
How do you not see the irony in calling everyone that's not a conservative- "Far Left/ Radical Leftist / Marxist / Woke Agenda / Trans ideology" etc that's literally all I see all day on the internet when in reality 98% of liberals are good caring people with good intentions, just like conservatives.
the bad apples in the basket are too damn loud, this work for both sides.
 
You are both getting it wrong.

He is saying he couldn't care less about him getting in trouble for what he is about to say next.
I don't like the dude and I recognize that this is a mischaracterization of what he's saying.

Edit: shit, not your correction. The original videos shared, those are misleading

Edit edit: I don't know why this type of "journalism" is so prevalent, and they all do it. It takes 2 seconds to find out that you're being fed bullshit, and then you lose trust in that organization or overall message. It's a losing strategy. Well I say that, yet these media companies are making more money than ever.
 
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I don't like cancel culture but don't create a weapon to use against your perceived enemies and then play the victim when they use it against you.

They took glee in ruining the lives of people for the most innocent things and now I am supposes to feel bad for them when they face consequences?
 


I've actually seen Charlamagne say lot of things recently where he's come to the understanding that some things he said and believed are regrettable and I respect him quite a bit for it. He's been a real voice of reason in the last year
 
Nah, this doesn't line up. The reports say his family claim he changed only relatively recently. Definitely not 2018.
yeah, cause teenagers are always so truthful with their parents about their feelings, what they do in the internet and what they do outside, that's why problematic teenager are a mith.
 
Your roomie sounds a tad unhinged.
She's trans (very passing) and self admitted radical leftist anarcho-socialist. Even has a tattoo of a hammer and sickle on the back of her hand

I don't really have a problem with any of that except she's just reinforcing all the negative stereotypes and it's only going to hurt her and other people in that community.
 
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I'm surprised by the worldwide response in Britain, Japan, Poland, Korea, etc. I didn't realize Kirk had that kind of worldwide pull.

Or maybe it's less to do with his actual politics and more to do with the optics. Dude sits down to converse with someone of the opposite opinion and gets shot for it.
 
She's trans (very passing) and self admitted radical leftist anarcho-socialist. Even has a tattoo of a hammer and sickle on the back of her hand

I don't really have a problem with any of that except she's just reinforcing all the negative stereotypes and it's only going to hurt her and other people in that community.
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Also, why does socialist ppl doesn't move out to socialist countries ? They are not that expensive to live in, why stay on America ?
 
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Continuing from this, even Bannon went scorched earth on Patel.


Bannon said Friday's press conference left "so many unanswered questions" and seemed mostly focused on law enforcement "glazing" each other.

"Correct me if I'm wrong, we watched the nine minute press conference yesterday and the pictures that came up and went all over the internet, and it appears the kid had said something to the family, the family had the goods to confront him and the family turned him in. I'm not seeing the great law enforcement work and I'm not, you know, saying there's not great law enforcement. They all came together, I got that, but this was not through law enforcement work," he argued.

"What I wanna see is some law enforcement people step up to the microphone, give some details and take some questions from the media. I don't know why Kash flew out there, you know, thousands of miles to give us, hey, we're working partnerships and our great partnership in Utah," Bannon said, blasting the presser as mostly officials telling each other they "did a great job."

Kash Patel is a performative hack, I have no idea why the fuck he got this position in the first place.
 
I'm surprised by the worldwide response in Britain, Japan, Poland, Korea, etc. I didn't realize Kirk had that kind of worldwide pull.

Or maybe it's less to do with his actual politics and more to do with the optics. Dude sits down to converse with someone of the opposite opinion and gets shot for it.

It's definitely been amusing to see. I'm not sure with Japan and Korea, but I imagine European has to have at least something to do with the oppressive nature some governments have shifted to in recent years around how broad and vague hate speech is in online spaces. Then the repercussions of being accused of whatever falls into that. Charlie, agree or disagree with his views, had a platform that advocated for having uncomfortable discussions with people of opposing views.
 
This weird non-sequitur almost seems to me like dementia more than narcissism, or he misheard/misunderstood the question. With Trump though, who even knows at this point?
Or maybe he's changing the subject because his friend just got assassinated by a sniper and he himself was nearly assassinated 14 months ago when a different sniper's bullet missed his brain by a few inches. And then a few months after that ANOTHER guy tried to assassinate him. So maybe he didn't really want to dwell on assassination questions at that exact moment.

But nah. It's dementia.
 
Why is the purple place so determined that Robinson was a "groyper"? 😂

There's been no official sources claiming anything like that. We only have what his family and friends have said to mainstream outlets about him being more left (Guardian link) and the antifascist writings on his ammo. Is this cope on their part or what? The misinformation they spread is breathtaking.
 
It's definitely been amusing to see. I'm not sure with Japan and Korea, but I imagine European has to have at least something to do with the oppressive nature some governments have shifted to in recent years around how broad and vague hate speech is in online spaces. Then the repercussions of being accused of whatever falls into that. Charlie, agree or disagree with his views, had a platform that advocated for having uncomfortable discussions with people of opposing views.
Westerners don't really know that Asian countries are extremely conservative by their standards. Gay marriage isn't even legal in any Asian countries except the Xi Jinping-claimed island of Taiwan, and the President of Taiwan quite literally ignored a democratic vote where gay marriage was overwhelmingly rejected and forced it into law anyways

I'm not surprised people in Japan and Korea knew about Charlie Kirk and supported him. Most Asians look at Western wokeness with a combination of confusion and disgust. Nobody in Asia thinks you can just declare you're now a woman (or a man) and suddenly you just are. They think even the notion this can happen is quite hilarious TBH
 
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