Sony Will Be In For A Shock Next Gen

How will the ps6 do next gen?

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FalconPunch

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This might sound a bit ridiculous to say especially coming off the release of Ghost of Yotei but, Sony's first party is in a rut. Barring Insomniac, their studios just can't get new software(not remasters) out at any sensible pace. Now, we can look to blame covid all we want, but there are third party developers doing so as we speak.

Regardless of what you think of the quality of Sony first party titles, there are few things I think we can all agree on. Their single player games are not taking significant risks. Their live service games have not quite hit the heights they were hoping to hit and, the quantity of worth while exclusive releases this gen has been at it's lowest in quite a long time. In my opinion, part of the responsibility of platform holders is to strive to innovate in both the software space and the hardware space to keep things fresh. This gen, barring a few releases, it doesn't appear that Sony has tried to innovate in the software space. They have chased trends with live service games and have come up short. Furthermore, they've continued with the template laid down during the ps4 generation for their single player titles. They innovated in the hardware space with the dual sense and the ssd however their biggest innovation this gen has been the price of the PS5 pro and the increases to PS+ prices. In Canada, it has reached the absurd price of $109.99 for 1 year of ps + essential.

In many ways, I believe the complaints of the lack of "real next gen" comes from the lack of innovation in their single player titles. They have not looked to use the ps5 to enable new experiences that could not be had on ps4. We can see this with the cross-gen releases of GOW Ragnarok, Spiderman Miles Morales, etc. To many on here the PS5 generation feels like an empty generation.

Now this is where the problem is. To me, this generation appears to be rather similar to the latter years of the Xbox 360 generation. By that I mean, the software hasn't met expectations and it has quite delivered the highs we saw with the likes of Uncharted 2, Gow 3, TLOU on the ps3, or Uncharted 4/TLOU2/GOW/etc on the ps4. Instead it seems, Sony is more focused on it's balance sheet this gen than the software. More concerning is the fact that there's been a huge loss of influential figures at Sony that helped spur and shepherd the creation of such influential software. We can begin to see the effects of this in the struggles Sony has had this gen convincing PS4 owners to upgrade to PS5.

While the ps5 is selling comparatively well, we've seen the effects of a long cross gen period. Following the rumors regarding the ps5 release in 2027, I'm almost certain that Sony will be in for a shock if they don't significantly course correct on the software front. This is not to say that the ps6 will sell poorly but, I expect them to have an extremely difficult time getting customer's to upgrade if the software is not enticing. The ps5 represents a console that is "good enough" for a certain segment of folks and delivers "good enough" visuals. If the software isn't the selling point, why should they upgrade? The hardcore will upgrade as always but imo, it may not have the legs of a traditional console if the software is not up to par.

What are gafs thoughs on this matter? Has Sony sowed seeds of doom that they'll reap next gen or will it go on to be the best selling playstation in history?
 
If anything it sounds like they learned their lesson and most studios are working on single player games.

They were hurt this gen by their live games push and that alongside Covid delayed multiple plans for them.

I'm actually optimistic for everything next-gen but the prices lmao.
 
FalconPunch said:
This might sound a bit ridiculous to say especially coming off the release of Ghost of Yotei but, Sony's first party is in a rut. Barring Insomniac, their studios just can't get new software(not remasters) out at any sensible pace. Now, we can look to blame covid all we want, but there are third party developers doing so as we speak.

Regardless of what you think of the quality of Sony first party titles, there are few things I think we can all agree on. Their single player games are not taking significant risks. Their live service games have not quite hit the heights they were hoping to hit and, the quantity of worth while exclusive releases this gen has been at it's lowest in quite a long time. In my opinion, part of the responsibility of platform holders is to strive to innovate in both the software space and the hardware space to keep things fresh. This gen, barring a few releases, it doesn't appear that Sony has tried to innovate in the software space. They have chased trends with live service games and have come up short. Furthermore, they've continued with the template laid down during the ps4 generation for their single player titles. They innovated in the hardware space with the dual sense and the ssd however their biggest innovation this gen has been the price of the PS5 pro and the increases to PS+ prices. In Canada, it has reached the absurd price of $109.99 for 1 year of ps + essential.

In many ways, I believe the complaints of the lack of "real next gen" comes from the lack of innovation in their single player titles. They have not looked to use the ps5 to enable new experiences that could not be had on ps4. We can see this with the cross-gen releases of GOW Ragnarok, Spiderman Miles Morales, etc. To many on here the PS5 generation feels like an empty generation.

Now this is where the problem is. To me, this generation appears to be rather similar to the latter years of the Xbox 360 generation. By that I mean, the software hasn't met expectations and it has quite delivered the highs we saw with the likes of Uncharted 2, Gow 3, TLOU on the ps3, or Uncharted 4/TLOU2/GOW/etc on the ps4. Instead it seems, Sony is more focused on it's balance sheet this gen than the software. More concerning is the fact that there's been a huge loss of influential figures at Sony that helped spur and shepherd the creation of such influential software. We can begin to see the effects of this in the struggles Sony has had this gen convincing PS4 owners to upgrade to PS5.

While the ps5 is selling comparatively well, we've seen the effects of a long cross gen period. Following the rumors regarding the ps5 release in 2027, I'm almost certain that Sony will be in for a shock if they don't significantly course correct on the software front. This is not to say that the ps6 will sell poorly but, I expect them to have an extremely difficult time getting customer's to upgrade if the software is not enticing. The ps5 represents a console that is "good enough" for a certain segment of folks and delivers "good enough" visuals. If the software isn't the selling point, why should they upgrade? The hardcore will upgrade as always but imo, it may not have the legs of a traditional console if the software is not up to par.

What are gafs thoughs on this matter? Has Sony sowed seeds of doom that they'll reap next gen or will it go on to be the best selling playstation in history?
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I'm not that convinced about the 2027 release. We always knew 2028 from awhile, I don't get it the reason by them to anticipate the release an year early. I mean if it referring to the AMD gpu release, I guess it's quite mandatory to see the ps6 coming quite later (looking at the FSR4 "support" on ps5 pro).
 
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Doubt it. Audience for a console will always be there. PS5 is the most successful console ever for Sony even if the PS6 is less successful they will still make bank.
 
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Too many unknowns.

-What's the price of the PS6?

-What will make their handheld stand out?

-Will GAAS still be a major focus?

-Will first party be few and far between?

-Will first party be the same old shit?

If the PS6 is like the PS5 then it will be shit.
 
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People need a platform to play AAA third party games and for many reasons the majority of folks prefer a console over a PC. The first party games are just a bonus.
 
We'll see. I never underestimate the will of Sony fans to buy things. But yeah, it's just logical that PS5 is massively worse than PS4, and PS6 will be mostly sold on the reputation of the PS5, and will likely be expensive.

Their 1st party stuff will eventually get somewhat better after the lost decade ends from their GAAS crap so I don't think it's the end of the world there. But they're still pretty slow. I think their audience doesn't like risks, so at this point staying the course with polished but predictable mainsteam games makes sense for them. That's what their audience likes, that's what journalists like. It's the safest bet when games are as expensive as they are.
 
Sony has no competition. They could shut down SIE and still sell as much as PS5.

Besides, even if their games are not the higest quality standard anymore, they are food for normies so Playstation won't stop selling, just like Nintendo has a fix audience with Mario Kart and Pokemon.
 
As long as they don't destroy and devalue their platform by porting all their games to other platforms the way Microsoft did, they will be ok. Yotei seems to be a successful release no matter what people on here think about it. Also consider that even if you think these games are formulaic and stale, not many devs are capable of putting out a game of this scale and level anymore.
 
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Tiago Rodrigues said:
You think PS6 will do worse than PS5? Even with a portable releasing?
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Are we counting a portable as part of the ps6 sales? Isn't meant to give you access to your ps5 & ps4 library with access to multiplatform releases? Also will the portable receive dedicated software? Will there be software that releases only on ps6 and not the portable? Too many unknowns really
 
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I'm thinking we are at the point where Sony doesn't really care if you buy their games on PS4, PS5 or PS6. They promote consoles to win market share. Without a direct competitor, market share is a given. PlayStation's victory in the console war means they don't have to work nearly as hard to sell you on PlayStation if want you want is a dedicated living room gaming system. People call this a shitty generation and I generally agree, but as long as the competition is as meager as it has been, things won't improve. That's how I see it anyway.
 
Considering the alternatives.. nah. No chance of failure. Will likely sell more as it will have the enhanced version GTA 6; which will carry the generation and then some.

We'd also likely see big jump in quality and quantity next gen in terms of exclusive - relative to PS5. Not like that's a hard feat, mind.
 
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It's several years away and so much of their revenue is from 3rd party horse armour bullshit, they're fine and have endless cash these days to throw at development.
 
That's running under the assumption there won't be any changes when we've already seen one in the GaaS push. GTA 6 along with the final push of their big first party games is going to give PS a lot of momentum going into the new gen that really should start closer to 2030.
 
I think they will be more than fine. This generation has been by far the weakest with the lowest amount of effort Sony has ever spent on their gaming arm as a whole. Yet, they have just reported that this gen is record-breaking in terms of profit for them. I believe this will continue with PS6.
 
diffusionx said:
As long as they don't destroy and devalue their platform by porting all their games to other platforms the way Microsoft did, they will be ok. Yotei seems to be a successful release no matter what people on here think about it. Also consider that even if you think these games are formulaic and stale, not many devs are capable of putting out a game of this scale and level anymore.
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All this is going to do is prevent me from buying the games. I used to buy Playstation consoles to play the exclusives but It's too expensive to have multiple platforms. When these things were under 400 bucks I could swing that but now just one console is more expensive than 3.
Fewer and fewer gamers are going to go multiplatform. And I'm not choosing a locked down console as my ONE machine.
 
SeriousCrayon said:
The PS2 and PS4 had fantastic games..2+4 = 6 so we're good.
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Even numbered gens have generally tended to be the best for Sony, at least imo.

But who knows what they'll give us next gen? Pricing and positioning will likely matter a lot next gen.

Sony has a lot to lose, but if they play their cards right they could have a lot to gain too.
 
I feel Sony and the PS6 will be about in the same spot as they are for PS5. It feels like console growth has stagnated and most Xbox users will either just convert to PC or whatever monstrosity the next Xbox becomes.

Complacent Sony will continue to stay on cruise control and if anything reduce their already diminished output of 1st party titles in regards to quantity and quality.

Combine that with what I can reasonably predict is a sharp increase in hardware prices and you have all the ingredients for an underwhelming, but safe, next generation for them
 
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Kacho said:
Too many unknowns.

-What's the price of the PS6?

-What will make their handheld stand out?

-Will GAAS still be a major focus?

-Will first party be few and far between?

-Will first party be the same old shit?

If the PS6 is like the PS5 then it will be shit.
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Hardware seems quite interesting though and bigger leap than ps5 for sure.
 
Karim said:
Hardware seems quite interesting though and bigger leap than ps5 for sure.
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Not based on the rumored specs it isn't. I have serious doubts that we won't find ourselves in the exact same position we find ourselves with ps5. That is with lots of sub 1080p games. The upscaler will be better though but, even if it's at the quality of DLSS4 transformer model, we know for 4k gaming, we still need a base resolution of 1080p which is equivalent to DLSS4 performance. With the specs that are rumored, I don't see that happening.
 
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Not based on the rumored specs it isn't. I have serious doubts that we won't find ourselves in the exact same position we find ourselves with ps5. That is with lots of sub 1080p games. The upscaler will be better though but, even if it's at the quality of DLSS4 transformer model, we know for 4k gaming, we still need a base resolution of 1080p which is equivalent to DLSS4 performance. With the specs that are rumored, I don't see that happening.
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Are you kidding? It's not powerful because it rely to the AI upscaler? WTF? Pathtracing is an enormous leap compared the tiny raytracing possible in this generation.
 
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Sony is the only publisher that keeps releasing high-quality games every year, and somehow people still find a way to talk bad about them. lol

Astro Bot won GOTY just last year, Helldivers 2 is a continuous success, and Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Yotei are two of the best games of the year. I really don't get you guys.
 
How about them being in shock at the current gen as there are studios that still have to release at least a single game??
 
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Topher said:
They really don't for the living room dedicated console segment, which is the space PlayStation and Xbox have been fighting over for many years.
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Nintendo still exist.

By this logic, Nintendo has no competition either because nobody else has a TV/portable hybrid.
 
Magic Carpet said:
All this is going to do is prevent me from buying the games. I used to buy Playstation consoles to play the exclusives but It's too expensive to have multiple platforms. When these things were under 400 bucks I could swing that but now just one console is more expensive than 3.
Fewer and fewer gamers are going to go multiplatform. And I'm not choosing a locked down console as my ONE machine.
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Considering the fact that I have a PS5, and we're already talking about PS6 makes me not want to even bother getting one. I mean, my PS5's library is so small, I feel like it hasn't even hit peak potential yet, and we're already trying to get hyped on the next system? Come on man, lmao. Next generation will probably be the first generation where I don't own a new console at all.
 
Karim said:
Are you kidding? It's not powerful because it rely to the AI upscaler? WTF? Pathtracing is an enormous leap.
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No, I don't think it's powerful enough to get to 1080p. Which from that point, we'd use AI upscaling to take us up to 4k. There will be increased ray tracing and perhaps even path tracing next gen mainly to speed up development times. Based on the specs revealed so far, it's sounding more and more like an RTX 5070. Maybe 5070ti. It's a good gpu today but in about 2-3 years when the ps6 releases, it'll be quite weak. THe 5070 already struggles with path tracing and so does the 5070ti.
 
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FalconPunch said:
Are we counting a portable as part of the ps6 sales? Isn't meant to give you access to your ps5 & ps4 library with access to multiplatform releases? Also will the portable receive dedicated software? Will there be software that releases only on ps6 and not the portable? Too many unknowns really
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From what i could gather and all rumors point for something released alongside the PS6 and without dedicated software. If both platforms read the same games, have the same store, etc...why not?
That would be like isolating Switch Lite sales because it's only a portable.

(of course i could be totally wrong about all of this)
 
PS6 will be fine because where else will these console players play graphical showcase games? The hardware offerings from Microsoft or Traditional PC will cost more. Sony has all the leverage.
 
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FalconPunch said:
No, I don't think it's powerful enough to get to 1080p. Based on the specs revealed so far, it's sounding more and more like an RTX 5070. Maybe 5070ti. It's a good gpu today but in about 2-3 years when the ps6 releases, it'll be quite weak.
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But this console doesn't rely to the hardware raw power, it's all about perfomance optimised via AI and other customized stuff with the minimun cost of perfomance, you shouldn't look too much to the specs numbers but to the perfomance promised.
 
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Hudo said:
I think they will be more than fine. This generation has been by far the weakest with the lowest amount of effort Sony has ever spent on their gaming arm as a whole. Yet, they have just reported that this gen is record-breaking in terms of profit for them. I believe this will continue with PS6.
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To be fair, they only had to not be Microsoft. MS strategy was all the effort Sony needed.
 
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