Did Sony already lose next gen with PS6 before it even started?

DR3AM said:
The console market isn't what it used to be 10 years ago. A standard game system is the only thing Sony has going on for themselves while their games are being released on other systems.
MS on the the other hand has a 2 for 1 game system/ PC hybrid that will play ALL you games.
Nintendo is Nintendo.
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Microsoft started this generation with price and performance, and it fell behind the Xbox One in unit sales.

Steam on Xbox is not a major selling point.

Maintaining a strong user base within the PlayStation ecosystem would be more important going forward. There might be 20+ million active PlayStation 4 users two years into the PlayStation 6 generation.
 
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Tiago Rodrigues said:
PS1 - "Sony is lucky Nintendo used cartridges instead of CDs. Otherwise they wouldn't have won"
PS2 - "Sony is lucky they have a DVD player, otherwise they wouldn't sell like this"
PS3 - "Sony only recovered because they had the cheapest Blu Ray player on the market"
PS4 - "Sony only won because MS fucked up with Xbox One announcement"
PS5 - "Sony is yet again succeeding because MS failed...even though MS had a console selling for 300 bucks, subscriptions that offered games for years, bought Activision and some of the biggest IPs in the market etc"

Man Sony just keeps on winning because everyone else fails and cheer luck...for 30 years. They literally never do things right! It's almost like they don't have all games releasing on their platform and their studios keep making games people like - Helldivers 2, Astrobot, Ghost of Yotei, next year with Wolverine, the Marvel fighting game, GTAVI basically a console exclusive, etc...

Sony wins because they do what matters right: The games. Marketing rights with all biggest IPs (GTA, Fortnite, Genshin, EA Sports and UEFA publicity everywhere, Battlefield, COD), they pay for timed exclusive games that sell to their core market (SH2, FFVII Rebirth etc), they pay for new IPs to be made even if they endup on other platforms (Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin etc), their subscriptions have been pumping some nice offers (i mean...if you subscribe to PS Plus Extra you get games like SH2, Alan Wake 2, Cyberpunk 2077, Hogwarts Legacy and all their library from the PS4 and some from the PS5 just like that). The only thing missing is Nintendo games...actually now that's literally it lmao.
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If you really think about, Sony lost the moment they released the PS1.
 
I will be there day one for PS6 and if the Portal manages to play all games I own without connecting to my PS5 then I'll get one straight away.
So personally, yes PlayStation have never been better.
 
If it's a hybrid system (like switch), for sure.

Need more power, not less.

However, all these companies care about anymore is chasing trends so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
 
Tiago Rodrigues said:
PS1 - "Sony is lucky Nintendo used cartridges instead of CDs. Otherwise they wouldn't have won"
PS2 - "Sony is lucky they have a DVD player, otherwise they wouldn't sell like this"
PS3 - "Sony only recovered because they had the cheapest Blu Ray player on the market"
PS4 - "Sony only won because MS fucked up with Xbox One announcement"
PS5 - "Sony is yet again succeeding because MS failed...even though MS had a console selling for 300 bucks, subscriptions that offered games for years, bought Activision and some of the biggest IPs in the market etc"

Man Sony just keeps on winning because everyone else fails and cheer luck...for 30 years. They literally never do things right! It's almost like they don't have all games releasing on their platform and their studios keep making games people like - Helldivers 2, Astrobot, Ghost of Yotei, next year with Wolverine, the Marvel fighting game, GTAVI basically a console exclusive, etc...

Sony wins because they do what matters right: The games. Marketing rights with all biggest IPs (GTA, Fortnite, Genshin, EA Sports and UEFA publicity everywhere, Battlefield, COD), they pay for timed exclusive games that sell to their core market (SH2, FFVII Rebirth etc), they pay for new IPs to be made even if they endup on other platforms (Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin etc), their subscriptions have been pumping some nice offers (i mean...if you subscribe to PS Plus Extra you get games like SH2, Alan Wake 2, Cyberpunk 2077, Hogwarts Legacy and all their library from the PS4 and some from the PS5 just like that). The only thing missing is Nintendo games...actually now that's literally it lmao.
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Read your post, then looked at your avatar.

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They will introduce the system with an overly exaggerated demo and new gimmicks that only the five launch titles will benefit from for the rest of the console's life.

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Microsoft has been completely defeated, to the point where it had to port its games to its main competitor. What will happen is that Sony's installed base will actually grow. Microsoft likely has between 10–20 million active users across Xbox One and Series, and it's very likely that a good portion of those will pick up a PS5 or PS6 in the coming years.
 
Yes. Their pillars are outdated. They said as much in their presentation slides that leaked. That's why we are seeing them diversify with hardware and multi platform releases.
 
Doesnt matter, XBOX nuked themselves already. There is no competition anymore.

I can see Sony delaying launch of PS6 as they realize people arent interested.
 
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DR3AM said:
The console market isn't what it used to be 10 years ago. A standard game system is the only thing Sony has going on for themselves while their games are being released on other systems.
MS on the the other hand has a 2 for 1 game system/ PC hybrid that will play ALL you games.
Nintendo is Nintendo.
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Sony makes more money in gaming than MS, Sony sells more games and consoles. Where are they losing?
 
Ceadeus said:
They will introduce the system with an overly exaggerated demo and new gimmicks that only the five launch titles will benefit from for the rest of the console's life.

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That's the real rub here. A lot of the features they add are nice but so underutilized. That may be a benefit in a "single console" world though is they need to develop fewer versions, just PC and PS6 (and I guess potentially switch 2 MAYBE) and may have time to actually implement some console specific features and optimizations.

I don't think it will happen, but a man can dream.
 
Punished Miku said:
Sony is pretty much live or die on their console hardware. They make very expensive games and still have slim margins despite being way out in front in terms of sales. They rely on that passive 30% sales to live. They don't put out nearly enough games to survive as they are as a 3rd party publisher. It would be a catastrophic change across the entire company. They put out 1 game a year, and Nintendo and MS are currently putting out around 8 a year.
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Yes but this is actually a good thing. As we've seen several major 3rd party publishers in this industry are struggling right now. Being a platform holder is the best position to be in right now because you take none of the risk that comes with creating games and only reap the rewards from the 30%. GAAS is another safe position but as we've seen it's very hard to get there.

Even MS going 3rd party still resulted in them having a 2% revenue drop in the Xbox division. Putting out a ton of games isn't some magic bullet to being a 3rd party publisher if all the games sell like shit. You really think OW2, Keeper, Avowed, Doom are making a ton of money right now? I don't even think Doom is in the top 20 anymore. Zenimax was struggling before MS purchased them and as far as I can tell things are probably even worse.

This is just not a good time to be a publisher period. There has never been more competition in the gaming space and trying to get people to pick your game over the other 5 AAA bangers out there isn't easy.

So while I do agree with your point that Sony does have some weaknesses it needs to keep an eye on being a 3rd party publisher would put them in even more danger.
 
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Kacho said:
Shark cards, fortnite bucks and raising prices? I wouldn't be too pumped about that as an enthusiast.
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Neither Playstation nor Xbox care about gamers feelings about their offerings because they both offer a wide variety of genres, they are in the market to make money (well.. Playstation is...).
If Shark cards and Fortnite bucks sell well it's because people buy them and it's what they want to buy.
Terrible taste, yes, but that's the gamers fault, not the platform holder.
 
DR3AM said:
The console market isn't what it used to be 10 years ago. A standard game system is the only thing Sony has going on for themselves while their games are being released on other systems.
MS on the the other hand has a 2 for 1 game system/ PC hybrid that will play ALL you games.
Nintendo is Nintendo.
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Again with this.
Until Sony releases their system sellers on competing platforms which are Xbox and Nintendo console systems, this is wrong.
They are releasing their GaaS because it makes sense and some of their system sellers on PC months or years after initial release, after having sold millions of copies on PS.

One day it may happen, so long it hasn't.
 
Punished Miku said:
I said a long time ago that Sony is dominant, but depending on how the winds change they are potentially vulnerable. They didn't lose anything.

Theoretically, if consoles actually do keep declining and have slow adoption with Gen Z, Sony is actually in a weaker position than MS or Nintendo. MS is already set up on PC. They have GP as well. They have several large GAAS games. They have a path forward to survive with a smaller footprint as a 3rd party publisher. They are positioned for cloud, if that ever happens.

Sony is pretty much live or die on their console hardware. They make very expensive games and still have slim margins despite being way out in front in terms of sales. They rely on that passive 30% sales to live. They don't put out nearly enough games to survive as they are as a 3rd party publisher. It would be a catastrophic change across the entire company. They put out 1 game a year, and Nintendo and MS are currently putting out around 8 a year.

So no, they didn't lose anything. But if consoles have some dramatic change, they stand to lose a lot. Nintendo could easily transition to 3rd party and possibly be even bigger than they are now. They don't rely on 3rd party sales. They don't make excessively expensive games, and their games have universal appeal.
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One of the few smart posts here.
 
Yep PS6 is doomed. They have backed themselves into the corner of being the only one serving a 100 million plus market. There financials have been getting better and better - a bad sign.
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Play Station 6 is in BIG trouble and I'll list the reasons below

1. They have been trojan horsed by Xbox multiplatform tactics. As soon as people realise they can play Minecraft and COD on Xbox they will make the switch
2. Steam. Everyone buys systems for their storefronts it's just a fact
3. Banana. You can play Banana on the next Xbox but not PS5
4. Power of the cloud. Notice how Snoy still doesn't have an answer to this?
5. Concord
6. Gamepass
7. When users see the teraflops on the next Xbox they will know what a true next gen experience is
8. Windows. You can switch to PowerPoint, excel, Photoshop, pornhub on the next Xbox. Sony has no counter to this
9. Gamepass
10. Phil Spencer winner of D.I.C.E. Lifetime Achievement Awards 2022

The era of Sony is over

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DR3AM said:
The console market isn't what it used to be 10 years ago. A standard game system is the only thing Sony has going on for themselves while their games are being released on other systems.
MS on the the other hand has a 2 for 1 game system/ PC hybrid that will play ALL you games.
Nintendo is Nintendo.
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Sony will be the last traditional home console maker left so they have that going for them. Nintendo makes a handheld and Microsoft will make a more premium console PC. If you want an old school home console like the Sega Genesis or PS1 Sony will be the last company making them, you've got nowhere else to go but them.
 
SuperC said:
I doubt the PS6 will be $600 with those those gpu-cpu clocks and 30GB of VRAM, Let's be real next-gen consoles will probably gonna start at $750 plus $80-90 games

Sony just doesn't seem to have a future
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$550-$650 is my range. No way the minimum price for the PS6 home console is $700 specially when Sony is targeting affordable pricing with the PS6 in a level they didn't the PS5.
 
Gameplay Gods Bless said:
$550-$650 is my range. No way the minimum price for the PS6 home console is $700 specially when Sony is targeting affordable pricing with the PS6 in a level they didn't the PS5.
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Canis is the one designed to be affordable. MLID thinks the Dockable Handheld could be $499, and then they do could a SKU without the screen for $299-$349.

16 CU RDNA5 when docked should be more powerful than a 20 CU RDNA2 Series S.
 
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