The next-gen [Xbox] console is going to be a very premium, very high-end curated experience: Sarah Bond

Bernkastel said:
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You're really gonna make me bust out the classics, aren't you.



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The full list is at the link. X360, by far and wide, had more 'better' multi-platform games.


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Bernkastel said:
No, I am talking about PS3 vs 360, not the DRM box.
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Ok,

I doubt that many people have either of them actively connected to their displays.

But I'm happy that at least I can play a good number of X360 games locally on my current hardware.
 
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Make everything exclusive imo. If it still flops they can always return to hawking their wares on the less than premium platforms.
 
How premium are we talking about?

It better not be over $999.

At some point console becomes too expensive, regardless of how powerful it is. Would rather build a pc if its like $1200 or more.
 
I can tell you right, that the next-gen console will be a very premium and high-end curated experience. You're starting to see some of the thinking we have in this handheld, but I don't want to give it all away.
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Mister Wolf said:
If AMD can make a card the rivals the upcoming 6000 series in raster performance I'll definitely consider them.
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Sure whatever buy whoever gives the best bang for buck on the day. All these components are good IMO.

Intel AMD Nvidia doesn't matter unless you're really into trains.
 
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Seiryu21 said:
I really don't understand this from a functional standpoint vs a regular windows gaming PC. After 2016 all Xbox games had a simultaneous PC release. If you're just buying this to play pre 2016 Xbox games it seems like a massive waste of money.

What exactly is the unique selling point of this unsubsidized device vs your average gaming PC?
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Probably not much, apart from a place to play Xbox titles and GP on a next-gen console.

You asked what's the USP vs. an average gaming PC, but remember that a lot of console gamers don't want to game on PC. They prefer console. So if MS can deliver a console-like experience, that will be attractive to dedicated, hardcore Xbox fans who want a place to land next-gen.
 
The question is, if this is more PC-like in both specs and cost, is it upgradable? that's one reason PC's are so popular, you can upgrade over time which means the initial cost is worthwhile
 
"You're starting to see some of the thinking we have in this handheld, but I don't want to give it all away."
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So a stripped down Windows OS with the Xbox Full Screen Experience and you can install other stores.
 
Humdinger said:
Probably not much, apart from a place to play Xbox titles and GP on a next-gen console.

You asked what's the USP vs. an average gaming PC, but remember that a lot of console gamers don't want to game on PC. They prefer console. So if MS can deliver a console-like experience, that will be attractive to dedicated, hardcore Xbox fans who want a place to land next-gen.
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This is where I get lost though. Where are they promising a console like experience? If the Xbox Ally is any indication of things to come, it's just going to be windows, which means other PCs would have the same functionality.
 
Seiryu21 said:
So is this an admission that the days of directly competing with PlayStation are over? There's no way they're selling 100 million of whatever this is.

What is the way forward for your average Xbox user who can only afford a $500 console?
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Mister Wolf said:
I like what I hear. They are basically going after the prebuilt gaming PC market, offering a cheaper product with a controller friendly UI.
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I wouldn't say this until Microsoft themselves say it. Their wording says othwerwise and so does a product like the Xbox ROG Ally X.

You can say the Ally X is made by ASUS and you'd be right but they still have something very important in common if rumors are true. No fallback on subsidization. Microsoft could and Sony can and will sell their consoles for cheaper (I'm not saying a loss but I'm just saying cheaper then otherwise) because they have that 30% cut on game sales to fall back on (you also have stuff like accessories which Microsoft would still have). If the rumors are true of the new Xbox being Windows based then they don't have the guarantee of this to fall back on and Microsoft may seem stupid but they aren't stupid and have the numbers to know that people don't buy games on the PC Xbox Store.

Neither option they have is cheap for them though because them going a "hybrid" route and putting a chip inside that allows for BC for XBO/Series games would jack up the price a lot as well.

This is also the company that has a $800 Series X now.
 
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After these crazy fuckers priced the XSX 2TB at 800 dollars I am preparing for a very premium price indeed.

And if it's going to be worth it, I'll be there. I have a insane collection of games, both bought and of course Game Pass, tons of which are in the backlog, all my buddies are there too.

We'll see how all this pans out. Late 2027 isn't exactly close, and I live in the now.
 
Z O N E said:
So a stripped down Windows OS with the Xbox Full Screen Experience and you can install other stores.
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Is the OS even stripped down on the Ally X? MattP showed it updating the calculator and camera apps and other worthless shit.

One thing that I've been wondering about this whole thing is how far will MS really strip down the OS? Do they really want to provide consumers with the Windows OS but stripped down to work faster and better? I'm not so sure that's something they want out there.
 
Seiryu21 said:
This is where I get lost though. Where are they promising a console like experience? If the Xbox Ally is any indication of things to come, it's just going to be windows, which means other PCs would have the same functionality.
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Oh, I don't know that "they're promising a console-like experience." I haven't heard them say that. But they have called it a "console," and they do have Xbox console fans excited. I assume that MS will try to make the experience as smooth and easy (as "console-like") as they can.

But whether they are able to accomplish this, I have no idea. You're right that it sounds like it will be a Windows OS, trimmed and modified. Whether they will be able to get that working with "plug and play" ease, I wouldn't know. I wouldn't bet on it, from what I've heard. Sneakers recently suggested that hardware plans were "up in the air," perhaps related to problems getting this modified OS together.
 
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Its obvious that their play will be ''go with our PC-console hybrid over PS6 because its so much powerful and have much better specs'', could work to some degree because PS and Xbox have built their entire identity on console warrior spec competition.
 
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Humdinger said:
Oh, I don't know that "they're promising a console-like experience." I haven't heard them say that. But they have called it a "console," and they do have Xbox console fans excited. I assume that MS will try to make the experience as smooth and easy (as "console-like") as they can.

But whether they are able to accomplish this, I have no idea. You're right that it sounds like it will be a Windows OS, trimmed and modified. Whether they will be able to get that working with "plug and play" ease, I wouldn't know. I wouldn't bet on it, from what I've heard.
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Yeah the talk around this whole thing is so vague that I don't understand any of the excitement. Microsoft has promised nothing.
 
vaibhavpisal said:
How premium are we talking about?

It better not be over $999.

At some point console becomes too expensive, regardless of how powerful it is. Would rather build a pc if its like $1200 or more.
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100% over $999. Magnus is over twice the BOM of XSX (which is currently $650) and if they have Steam/3rd party stores they can't subsidize the HW.
 
Yeah, prepare for a premium experience of: Everything digital, everything as a service, everything depending on Microsoft and what they want to do with your account/console.

This is the problem with there idiots: they dont play games, they dont care about games. Yes they will take pictures with all the books and games, but they dont give a fuck, they are just in this industry because it was easy to get into that position and a lot of money to be gain.

The people that created Xbox, the real gamers, would have said: "prepare for some ground breaking games, that you will play like never before. Prepare to get your next favorite games in the next Xbox".

This "premium experience" is just so much corporate talk that it is sickening

I fucking hate Microsoft...
 
KeplerL2 said:
100% over $999. Magnus is over twice the BOM of XSX (which is currently $650) and if they have Steam/3rd party stores they can't subsidize the HW.
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$999 + $30 pm gets you World of Warcraft and Call of Duty plus a bunch of other pc stuff like CS2 and Dota.
 
I'll build my own PC thanks.


The only thing I'll be tempted on getting (downloading), is their minimised Windows OS, if they manage to actually make it somewhat decent. Constant Windows 11 fuck ups don't leave me very hopeful with that.

Good luck with playing your existing Xbox library natively on a PC. It will be the same situation as the Ally.
 
KeplerL2 said:
100% over $999. Magnus is over twice the BOM of XSX (which is currently $650) and if they have Steam/3rd party stores they can't subsidize the HW.
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So it lines up with this rumour from 2024...

SneakersSO said:
The current plan that hasn't gotten final approval involves yet another bespoke console 'platform', one being a hybrid Steam Deck-like device, and another that is a highly expensive, extremely niche market home console whose price tag may actually feature a comma in it.
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vaibhavpisal said:
How premium are we talking about?

It better not be over $999.

At some point console becomes too expensive, regardless of how powerful it is. Would rather build a pc if its like $1200 or more.
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My thinking is the following:

Magnus S - $599 (40-44 CUs based on AT3 die)
Magnus X - $999 (68 CUs AT2 and 36 GB ram and 1 terabyte storage)

Third party OEM Magnus X - $1199 (68 CUs, higher clocks 48 gb ram, 2 Terabyte storage)

Then OEMs will build Xbox PCs in the $1500-$2000 range with AT2, and AT1 dies. So 5080 and 5090 tier.

And they get rid of Online Paywall and PC Gamepass.
 
Unrivaledx88 said:
Sony will eat some of that price for the Console to not have a high price they always do it i have no doubt itll be cheaper then the next xbox
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Oh for sure, especially we know from the leaks ps6 gonna only have 160W powerdraw(vs for example ps5pr0 which is capped at 240W), so logically speaking if sony was preasured/had strong competition we could get 399-499$ price, now with close to 0 i think it could be at least 600 if not even 800$ discless(so around 1k with discdrive) but lets wait 1-1,5 year and we will know 4 sure.
 
Ellis said:
I'll build my own PC thanks.


The only thing I'll be tempted on getting (downloading), is their minimised Windows OS, if they manage to actually make it somewhat decent. Constant Windows 11 fuck ups don't leave me very hopeful with that.

Good luck with playing your existing Xbox library natively on a PC. It will be the same situation as the Ally.
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The minimised Windows OS was my hope. But I'm hearing the new Ally Xbox X handheld full screen experience OS includes a bunch of nonsense. Like Teams.
And just like that, the concept of a gaming centric OS goes out the Window. (Pun intended)
 
Expensive, niche. They really need to stop using the word "console" or this is just going to keep getting brought up.

"We're not growing the market with $1000 consoles" - Phil Spencer.
 
The hopium of some people. Kepler says 100% over 1k, the replies follow 'my thinking 999'.

1200 or 1500 is where people should be starting to work on justifying value to themselves.
 
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