Kepler: PS6 $600 and Xbox Magnus $1200
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Tiago Rodrigues
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The good thing about Sony pricing PS5 Pro at 800 bucks is that now everyone says PS6 at 600 is "too low".
Sony is a marketing genius for this and the fact some people don't know the difference between a Pro console and a base console is something...
Sony is a marketing genius for this and the fact some people don't know the difference between a Pro console and a base console is something...
Buggy Loop
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At that price I would assume it's a PC machine and not a console "PC locked behind OS"
5 years in and the PS5 went up in price, $600 for a PS6 would be a nice surprise at this point, console gaming about to become mega-niche again, except for Nintendo of course
Felessan
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Chip is of the same size
So if Sony give up PS5Pro margin, let's say 20%, it'll make PS6 around 600$
saintjules
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Doesn't DS2 look like that first UE5 video?
Ah that's right. Well. I guess I want to see more like it and would be amazing to see that kind of fidelity at launch.
Artistic
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Nintendo is pretty niche.
Why would a next gen console launch under current console pricing?
mckmas8808
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Many on GAF don't understand that Sony has increased their profit margins for PS5 Pro. They think Sony is selling it at break even prices or even losing money on it lol
Sanepar
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It Will. There is at least 10-20 Million hardcore gamers. Ps4 pro and one x sales showed us that.
Fbh
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Ps6 being $600 doesn't sound that crazy, specially if it's digital only, with a 1Tb storage and sneaking in a $10 price increase for games and new $100/year price for Ps+ essential.
Discontinue the Ps5 Pro.
Drop the Ps5 back down to the original price of $399.
If the Xbox is actually a pre built PC, with standard parts I can upgrade down the line and with MS subsidizing at least part of the cost so it's a better deal than other pre built PCs....then I might actually be interested.
Discontinue the Ps5 Pro.
Drop the Ps5 back down to the original price of $399.
If the Xbox is actually a pre built PC, with standard parts I can upgrade down the line and with MS subsidizing at least part of the cost so it's a better deal than other pre built PCs....then I might actually be interested.
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Radical_3d
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mayham2199
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Yea I can see it reaching 20 million I'd be shocked if they got more than that.
Felessan
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Current console is PS5
Pro has little with "current console", it's stop-gap mid-gen refresh sold for profit, unlike base consoles those sold at cost to increse installbase.
For Sony extra power of Pro is accessory and they charge as for accessory, not like basic console
Felessan
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Lot of them tied to playstation ecosystem and some will not leave PC as ceiling is higher there. Not to Ps4Pro and XoX was much cheaper.
So I would not expect more than 5 mil for 1200$ device
There's no way they can get away with that price for essential, it's the same PS+ since forever and nothing in its offering its that crazy unique and/or important that people would gladly pay $100 per year, they paywalled multiplayer behind PS+ but also made their games multiplatform, anyone could just build a PCMR and get free MP with Sony games on Steam
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Why would they?
FingerBang
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It's pointless to talk to people who don't understand what a price is. Sony could sell the PS5 Pro at 499 if they wanted.
The PS6 will be 600 max. They most likely will discontinue the pro, that will have no reason to exist, while keeping the base PS5 around as a cheaper option.
This obviously means 600 at today's price, we don't know how things are going to be in 2 years.
Artistic
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Sounds like wishful thinking.
Radical_3d
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Because they know they earn wayyyy more hitting and winning the mass market. Pro isn't subsidized but that's an exception, not the new norm (see the 450$ PS5 thread).
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
If that were the case, they wouldn't have raised base console prices just a few months ago.
MrTired
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If there's such a market for such devices, why haven't we heard Asus Nuc etc selling millions of units?
Kvally
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"is my guess"
Ofc OP didn't mention this in the topic title.
And the price difference won't even translate in double the power or major graphical differences.
It will be like PS4 Pro Vs One X, in that case there was a 100$ price difference, here it risks to be 500$.
Wrong strategy at the wrong time but I don't think MS has particular ambitions for hardware at this point, it's just let make our own option that might bring higher margins for those interested compared to PS6/PC.
It will be like PS4 Pro Vs One X, in that case there was a 100$ price difference, here it risks to be 500$.
Wrong strategy at the wrong time but I don't think MS has particular ambitions for hardware at this point, it's just let make our own option that might bring higher margins for those interested compared to PS6/PC.
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DreamcastSkies
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Very bold. Impressed they're going this direction.
viveks86
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So you are telling me $100 more would push a customer who doesn't already have a PC to go buy a PC and start building their game library from scratch?
If they are out to buy a console, they are going to buy a console, whichever fits their taste and budget. Changing gaming habits and ecosystems over a couple hundred bucks (one-time) is, frankly, bizarre. It might make them hold back till prices drop or discounts, or continue playing on the older generations till the games eventually dry up, but that's about it.
bender
What time is it?
To sell more units and keep their MAUs in line with where they are now.
cinnamonandgravy
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better have two disc drives if $1200
nial
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You're kinda getting it wrong there. The Series X is definitely being sold at a profit, so Magnus is probably getting around $900 to make. A ~25% profit margin sounds good for Microsoft.
PS5 getting a $50 price increase due to Trump's tariffs doesn't equal to the PS6 costing $800, btw.
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Felessan
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To sell more consoles? Their business is to get secondary revenues, not keep hardware margin, and they follow it for decades.
They had little competition during PS2 era - lowest price point for PS2 was just 99$.
Everyone with a little bit knowledge of economics knows relation between price and demand and that, even without direct competition, dropping price will increase sales. Some people just priced-out completely at some price points and it has nothing to do with competitors offerings.
Just a bit of economics and finance
mayham2199
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It might push some people but you have to understand there is a massive amount of people who don't want to deal with PC gaming. It's not even about price just convenience. They just want to buy something that they plug straight into the TV, sign into their account, and start downloading games. This doesn't even get into the fact that they have friends there. They aren't going to suddenly be interested in learning how to use discord, get their friends on discord, learning how to setup an xbox controller on their PC, connecting their PC to their TV, etc.
I work in IT and even I got tired of the BS with PC gaming. I just wanted something that is straight forward and easy to use for gaming.
ShadowkillXNA
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What's even funnier is that so many people think that sony is unaware of the sales ratios of their pro consoles vs base models.
They are well that ps4 pro accounted for roughly 20% of ps4 sales after it released, and they are certainly aware of the ps5 pros sales vs ps5 base.
The point being that since sony is well aware that many more people are happy with buying a ps5 instead of a pro, then why not price the pro a little since the hardcore console graphics guys will get it regardless.
They are also very aware that the base console is vastly outselling it as a mass market machine, that high price wouldn't work with a mass market ps6.
$600 maybe $650 for ps6 in my view.
ShadyAcshuns
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I suppose GAF's obsession with high end products ends the day Magnus arrives.
Felessan
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You can give consoles away for free and you'll never recuperate losses
Or you can put 1000$ price tag and even PS will sell low tens of millions, leading in massive drop in revenue and profits.
There is a golden middle ground where you don't subsidize to much as it eats profits fast and you don't put margin high as it kills installbase and secondary revenue (Sony main profit driver)
Sony seems to settle at cost to be around that middle ground as it doesn't eat much into profits and reasonably fast expands installbase
Poppinfresh
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These sorts of low-effort bait posts based on some random dude on X "guessing" should be banned.
Me saying, "Well, I guess the PS6 will cost $250 and a handjob" would be just as accurate at this point.
Me saying, "Well, I guess the PS6 will cost $250 and a handjob" would be just as accurate at this point.
Radical_3d
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They didn't rise it to earn with the console but to cover for the crazy prezz tax.
Kvally
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I hope you guys are aware 2027 falls under the current admin term.
And there's no saying the next admin will revoke them, the Biden admin retained some of Trump's china tariff's when he took office in '20.
nial
Gold Member
Sure, but you would see a $50 increase at most if Sony is not willing to eat up the tariff cost at launch. Where are the likes of $700-800 coming from? Lol.
Also, I think they could somewhat pass those losses into very old hardware like the PS5, that's exactly what Nintendo did.
viveks86
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Though you may be right, this is not known yet. The only insider who has commented on this is SneakersSO and he has suggested this to not be the case. He suggested there will be no Xbox console game SKU at all next gen i.e. they are all PC games.
If that is indeed the case, we may be getting a stripped down Windows machine that plays BC titles through another locked down VM (or some proprietary DRM layer if they are running natively) that is exclusive to the "console" SKU. And the OEM built PCs just don't have the BC part. And the holy grail would be to get play anywhere universally adopted so that distinction becomes less and less relevant.
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Humdinger
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Sounds like a condom.