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[calico]

One dude?

A bit reductive to despise an entire studio for one person's opinion, but ok.

I said I was motivated by the studio's decision not to fire him. If he had made the comments and then been promptly fired for them, I wouldn't hold the studio accountable for them.

An employee making racist comments and admitting to racial discrimination -especially relating to the performance of his role at the company- against any other race would have been fired within 24 hours. It wouldn't even have been a question.

 

[StereoVsn]

He isn't advocating to cancel the company, but rather deciding as a customer that he doesn't want to do business with them. There is quite a difference.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Would be cool to have a conversation without resorting to condescending shit like this but you do you man.

condescending shit like taking a decision to boycott a company of hundreds for one dude?

So what you say is that companies should hire based on skin color in order to reach that equity. Fuck merits and talent, right? And then you wonder why so many studios are putting out trash games and closing their doors. Mistery!

Oh yea that's totally what I'm saying, only POC without talent and merits. /s

Because clearly making place for them clearly means that they had no talent behind the portfolio. You got it

The fuck not because his prioritizing who to help based solely on the color of their skin. I don't know, I might be in the wrong here but that sounds extremely racist to me.

How dare he try to put forward portfolios when for decades they didn't get the early opportunities and their CVs in the bin, what if he changes the face of game development from 2% to 2.00001%, boycott Obsidian!

Also fucking context, his tweet was a few weeks after Floyd's death




Rare early opportunities, toxic environment, few staying are "survivors". Sounds fucking exquisite for them! Hiring by merits, ah! That's almost racist by itself, the results are in, they're so underrepresented in the industry compared to how many gamers of them there are that it must mean they have no merits all those years.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

He isn't advocating to cancel the company, but rather deciding as a customer that he doesn't want to do business with them. There is quite a difference.

He is advocating to cancel the individual though.

 

[calico]

an art director doesn't hire

What makes you think an art director would have no role in the hiring process?

I expect he would have a role when it comes to hiring for art roles at least, and even if he doesn't it would be pretty demoralising for someone applying for a job there knowing that someone in such a senior position at the company publicly holds a view of 'sorry, we already have too many people of your race in this field' and that this view is considered acceptable by the company.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

The Microsoft hate is unreal, peoples so want Xbox to go out of existence (because less competition is a win?) that the kickstarter darling that every gamers loved to support, obsidian, is now in the basket of hate because of Microsoft.

Remember the stack of shit that was layered on Avowed at release? I was shocked when YOU, papi Gonzito gave it a try. Perfect game? Absolutely not, but nowhere near down as the internet made it seem to be.

Now the campaign is against Outer words 2, the next target of grifters I assume. Be it because they think obsidian is woke or against Microsoft it doesn't matter, it's pathetic.

Consoles are like sport teams now, nonsense tribalism, quite a lot of parallels with the state of politics.

Hating the company that tried to buy up everything? Come on now. It's perfectly reasonable. You can lick the boots of the multi trillion dollar company if you want but calling the rest of us evil is a wild stretch. Gaming was just fine before ms came along. It'll be just fine after their gone.

 

[PropellerEar]

Almost 3 games each year made on a small budget, without problems, very fluid development and all with a ridiculous number of developers per project by current standards.....

Your gif says more about you than that statement and represents very well the level of discussion and argumentation of some on Neogaf.

Still a lot of

tales from the ass from you.

Obsidian is far from the most profitable studio at MSFT.

 

[SJRB]

debunked already.

Poor guy doesn't even know he's fired yet.

 

[Sorcerer]

Considering the output from Bethesda (not very good) and the price paid, that would be weird, but we know Phil isn't very good at studio management.

All I can say is if Todd can no longer manage Bethesda, there is no way Phil can. Unless somehow Phil and Xbox are pushing Todd and Company into some corner we do not know about. Love him or hate him, Todd is legendary so you would think they would leave him alone. Certainly, the creative take-over will happen if and when Todd retires or moves on to other things.

Microsoft is batting a thousand with flops. If Elder Scrolls actually flops under Phil, then I think Armageddon will have begun and Jesus will have risen. LOL!!!

I imagine Phil running around the world like a chicken without a head trying to make sense of everything they acquired. What's the most he can do? Make the rounds (even teleconferencing) about once a month to each studio. If he has subordinates doing that for him, they probably know less than Phil.

I picture Phil getting off his jet running into the developer studio, looking at some monitors and saying, "Tighten up the graphics on level 3" and then jetting to the next studio, before he ultimately has to head back to report to Emperor Nadella.

 

[TintoConCasera]

condescending shit like taking a decision to boycott a company of hundreds for one dude?

I'm not calling for boycott, I'm just not buying their games. It's different things so relax with the hyperbole.

Oh yea that's totally what I'm saying, only POC without talent and merits. /s

Because clearly making place for them clearly means that they had no talent behind the portfolio. You got it

Doesn't mean they have no talent, but it does mean that he's priotizing people based on merits. What about people that aren't black? They don't deserve the same chances?

Anyway, I know I'm not going to convince the #1 member of the Obsidian defense force. You can do what you want, and I'll do the same (which is not buying any of their games + keep remembering people about the shitheads that work there)

 

[Seiryu21]

Considering the output from Bethesda (not very good) and the price paid, that would be weird, but we know Phil isn't very good at studio management.

That fact that we never got any cross pollination between Bethesda and obsidian for something like new Vegas 2 is criminal.

 

[DenimDevil]

Another potentially self-fulfilling prophecy.

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[Nocty]

this thread is depressing as fuck.

We really don't need bullshit rumours getting spread about people losing their jobs, when there are enough people losing them for real in the industry at the moment..

 

[StereoVsn]

He is advocating to cancel the individual though.

He is saying that he doesn't want to do business with the company because he can't agree with one of their higher ups views on hiring. He isn't going on X to advocate for that.

 

[StereoVsn]

All I can say is if Todd can no longer manage Bethesda, there is no way Phil can. Unless somehow Phil and Xbox are pushing Todd and Company into some corner we do not know about. Love him or hate him, Todd is legendary so you would think they would leave him alone. Certainly, the creative take-over will happen if and when Todd retires or moves on to other things.

Microsoft is batting a thousand with flops. If Elder Scrolls actually flops under Phil, then I think Armageddon will have begun and Jesus will have risen. LOL!!!

I imagine Phil running around the world like a chicken without a head trying to make sense of everything they acquired. What's the most he can do? Make the rounds (even teleconferencing) about once a month to each studio. If he has subordinates doing that for him, they probably know less than Phil.

I picture Phil getting off his jet running into the developer studio, looking at some monitors and saying, "Tighten up the graphics on level 3" and then jetting to the next studio, before he ultimately has to head back to report to Emperor Nadella.

Starfield didn't do that well already. It's been 10 years since proper Fallout. Todd and Co have had enough time.

And considering Elder Scrolls isn't out for at least 2-3 years, next Fallout game is what, another decade away?

 

[wipeout364]

There probably are layoffs due to the game shipping. Every North American game studio has substantial layoffs after shipping a big game. Generally a lot of these are contract workers. Contract workers are hired to push the game over the finish line and decrease abusive use of permanent employees (crunch). Whether this is a good thing or bad thing is very open to discussion but to act like this is something that only Microsoft would do and not any number of studios is some serious pearl clutching.

That said if Microsoft does close obsidian down I am going back to Playstation or PC exclusively. Honestly Obsidian has been amazing with their output and if they get closed down Microsoft needs to just get out of the gaming industry and I say that as a big Xbox guy. Their heart is no longer in it and they only see dollars signs and leveraging AI into everything, which if they took an hour to really self reflect is probably going to blow up in their face.

 

[Sorcerer]

Starfield didn't do that well already. It's been 10 years since proper Fallout. Todd and Co have had enough time.

And considering Elder Scrolls isn't out for at least 2-3 years, next Fallout game is what, another decade away?

Perhaps it is all on Todd then. Who knows anymore? I guess Phil should replace Todd with AI. LOL!!! Phil will speak to the computer "Computer make me a Fallout game". Phil goes to lunch, and the game is ready by the time he gets back. Blockbuster in an hour!!!

 

[Buggy Loop]

I'm not calling for boycott, I'm just not buying their games. It's different things so relax with the hyperbole.

"It's not a boycott it's" :

which is not buying any of their games + keep remembering people about the shitheads that work there)

Doesn't mean they have no talent, but it does mean that he's priotizing people based on merits.

How do you think the gaming industry got >90% white? Where's your outrage of all those decades of hiring based on color and not on merit?

Is it another one of those moment?

Otherwise it's just white peoples who have merit, how fucking cool, I feel special!

What about people that aren't black? They don't deserve the same chances?

Are you serious here? >90% of industry got their chance. Until I see rage for throwing POC CVs in the bin for decades, it's just flagrant double standards

 

[Kacho]

Buggy Loop hasn't even reached his final form

 

[DarkShadowXI]

If this is true, I hope everyone lands on their feet. It's brutal out there

 

[Allandor]

Dann, not again.
Seems like MS only wanted the franchises and in future will just outsource game creation...

 

[Syphon Filter]

I can believe with MS, but consider that TOW2 has a season's pass and the fact that the source is shit.

The game is briliant so far tho.

the game is woke trash.

 

[Sorcerer]

No way this is true, Obsidian? closing Obsidian? I don't buy it, not at the launch of a new game.

It could be 2 strikes at this point... 3 and your...

Microsoft not helping with all the negative backlash concerning the inital pricing of Outerworlds 2. Sure, they can walk it back, but some people will still hold that against them. Some will hear that and nope the game forever, the rest interested will play it on Gamepass if they have access.

Grounded and Pentiment might be what is saving their ass of all things. But I'm sure Microsoft looks at Pentiment and whispers to themselves what is this? Is this a game? LOL

 

[adamsapple]

the game is woke trash.

 

[TintoConCasera]

How do you think the gaming industry got >90% white? Where's your outrage of all those decades of hiring based on color and not on merit?

Is it another one of those moment?

Otherwise it's just white peoples who have merit, how fucking cool, I feel special!

Are you serious here? >90% of industry got their chance. Until I see rage for throwing POC CVs in the bin for decades, it's just flagrant double standards

So you are saying that it's fine to be racist against every race just because you've decided that they already "had their chance"?

I don't think I have anything but bad words for you (in regards to this, see ya in another thread) so I'll leave the discussion here.

 

[YeulEmeralda]

I liked Obsidian's isometric CRPGs but nobody else did and here we are now.

 

[Kacho]

I liked Obsidian's isometric CRPGs but nobody else did and here we are now.

They transitioned to TES/Fallout-likes to reach a broader audience too. Smart in theory but they are missing the mark.

 

[Buggy Loop]

So you are saying that it's fine to be racist against every race just because you've decided that they already "had their chance"?

I don't think I have anything but bad words for you (in regards to this, see ya in another thread) so I'll leave the discussion here.

If you had put even as much effort those decades ago and questioned the status quo I would give you the benefit of doubt. But we all know why you're triggered for that situation now.

 

[Buggy Loop]

the game is woke trash.

Gonzito

Aren't you playing the early access?

Is it woke trash?

 

[TintoConCasera]

If you had put even as much effort those decades ago and questioned the status quo I would give you the benefit of doubt.

I don't really care about the color of the skin of the developers of a videogame. But I do care about their talent, and I care about talented people being subjected to racist and illegal hiring practices.

But we all know why you're triggered for that situation now.

Go ahead and say it if you are so sure about it.

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

The way Sarah Bond is talking, I wouldn't be surprised if Xbox slims down to just the big studios and games. Their money makers. CoD, Minecraft, and Candy Crush type games/studios.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I don't really care about the color of the skin of the developers of a videogame. But I do care about their talent, and I care about talented people being subjected to racist and illegal hiring practices.

So decades of only white peoples being talented and really not doing any illegal practices like race based discrimination.

You were fine with that. I wonder why.

Go ahead and say it if you are so sure about it.

It's clear as day

 

[TintoConCasera]

So decades of only white peoples being talented and really not doing any illegal practices like race based discrimination.

You were fine with that. I wonder why.

You are running in circles:

So you are saying that it's fine to be racist against every race just because you've decided that they already "had their chance"?

I don't think I have anything but bad words for you (in regards to this, see ya in another thread) so I'll leave the discussion here.

You still haven't answered this question. Go ahead and admit that what that Matt dude said was 100% right if you have the balls.

It's clear as day

Yet you won't say it. Come on, call me what you think I am. Be honest with your own arguments at least.

 

[Buggy Loop]

You are running in circles:


You still haven't answered this question. Go ahead and admit that what that Matt dude said was 100% right if you have the balls.

And you're denying what you really mean

Go ahead, say that those decades of white peoples hiring was ENTIRELY on merit and POC had none

Go ahead

Yet you won't say it. Come on, call me what you think I am. Be honest with your own arguments at least.

You go first

 

[Sorcerer]

The way Sarah Bond is talking, I wouldn't be surprised if Xbox slims down to just the big studios and games. Their money makers. CoD, Minecraft, and Candy Crush type games/studios.

Strange that layoff's hit King. Even being super successful can't get one away from the Eye of Phil 'Sauron" Spencer. Curios to see how 200 people replaced with AI actually works out.

 

[Negotiator101]

the game is woke trash.

Wait a minute, are you actually playing the game now? Or are you just parroting someone else's opinions? If it's the latter you are a weak minded individual.

 

[XERXES_89]

What kind of garbage forum is this if anyone can start a thread with an unreliable rumor, which is immediately debunked, and the thread stays active?

 

[Gonzito]

Gonzito

Aren't you playing the early access?

Is it woke trash?

I will play it on the 29th and we'll see what's going on with the game

 

[TintoConCasera]

And you're denying what you really mean

Go ahead, say that those decades of white peoples hiring was ENTIRELY on merit and POC had none

Go ahead

You are the one who brought that matter to the table to try and defend someone being racist. Like "yeah racism is fine because other people were racist before".

I never meant that. I think I've been pretty clear with what I mean in my previous posts. If your intention is to put some words on my keyboard that I've never typed then this conversation is over.

You go first

I think I'm a cool guy. And so are you whenever you aren't defending Obsidian.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I will play it on the 29th and we'll see what's going on with the game

Ah I thought the screenshot of the debuff for preorder of premium edition was yours

 

[Gonzito]

What kind of garbage forum is this if anyone can start a thread with an unreliable rumor, which is immediately debunked, and the thread stays active?

I actually think that mods should close it yes. It doesn't make sense to keep it open at this point.

 

[Gonzito]

Ah I thought the screenshot of the debuff for preorder of premium edition was yours

No I just saw it on reddit and posted it here

 

[calico]

Why is the NBA ~70% black players and what steps should be taken to reduce this to ~13%?

 

[Gamer_By_Proxy]

Strange that layoff's hit King. Even being super successful can't get one away from the Eye of Phil 'Sauron" Spencer. Curios to see how 200 people replaced with AI actually works out.

Yea they also had layoffs at one of the CoD studios. But it sounds like they just wanna concentrate on the big games where the gamers are moving to. Etc. That's all they talk about lately.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Why is the NBA ~70% black players and what steps should be taken to reduce this to ~13%?

Oh yea, do go there, some of the tallest demographics on the planet, totally same as using brain power behind a pen or a keyboard making video games.

 

[adamsapple]

Why is the NBA ~70% black players and what steps should be taken to reduce this to ~13%?

This topic has officially gone off the rails now.

smh, please close it mods.

 

[calico]

Oh yea, do go there, some of the tallest demographics on the planet, totally same as using brain power behind a pen or a keyboard making video games.

As I expected.

 

[Buggy Loop]

As I expected.

Biology and physical traits are known quantities. Or is that in denial? The tallest demographics in the world have African origins.

By all means, do remove black peoples from your sports, just to see performances drop down

Now is gaming defined by biology traits? Being behind a desk and using your brain? Is there a demographic above the other for that in particular? Just to confirm.

Even the most black of black sports the NBA has more white representation than the blacks in gaming by 20%.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Why is the NBA ~70% black players and what steps should be taken to reduce this to ~13%?

jesus christ lmao

 

[simpatico]

If this actually takes place, there's a very good explanation for why it was done the way that it was. Let's wait for it to play out before going there.

For Obsidian, the Outer Worlds and Avowed 10-year plan of aping Bethesda just wasn't executed well. They took out the edge that players got in New Vegas and missed in Bethesda titles and just gave us the same corporate shmaltz with smaller scopes and lower production values. We could have accepted the lower production targets if it still had some edge, but alas, we got the worst of both worlds.