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[StreetsofBeige]

I'll just post this again:
https://www.joneswalker.com/en/insi...r-ai-generated-fake-citations.html?id=102k9h3

Yup.

It's really zero difference compared to a company implementing a new data/ERP system.

The goal is is new tool gets fed all this data compiled from different feeds and spits it out into a one consistent tool everyone can use.

It's great when everything is accurate. But there's always issues with data integrity, which then you log a ticket for the IT crew to fix. Casual users dont know any different and assume the results are good. But knowledgeable people know by just looking at it if something is off. And when the data is off and nobody knows any different, it can lead to stupid stats, decisions and analysis.

You can always tell when someone doesn't know anything or is careless. Some data columns can have an issue and it's literally generating zero/blank data and the person still doesn't even notice.

 

[YCoCg]

Why do people keep hoping this will be unbiased? Musk and X have manipulated Grok on X multiple times if it says something he doesn't like, and his stance on free speech has been quite select. Surely he should prove he can be unbiased first or make a statement that he'll never tamper with the AI.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I Founded Wikipedia. Here’s How to Fix It.

I launched the site in 2001. Today, it’s been captured by anonymous editors who manipulate articles to fit their ideological biases. Here’s my plan to fix it, writes Larry Sanger for The Free Press.

www.thefp.com

There's some other stuff going on at the moment with The Free Press but this week all articles are free so enjoy

The Free Press was just acquired by Paramount and Bari Weiss is taking over as Editor in Chief of CBS News is the other stuff btw

 

[Mortisfacio]

Google AI and Grok both suck.

Googles AI sucks for "trigger" topics where it's trained to be politically correct, but for non political or social usecases, it's a top 3 and expected to be #1 in many aspects again with Gemini 3.0 coming soon. The million token context window is huge. Claude seems to be pulling away on coding at a faster rate, but we'll see.

 

[Jenov]

What's so woke about Wikipedia? Can anyone at least list a few examples instead of just spouting shit.

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Found something

Empirical evidence for the spherical shape of Earth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This must be very woke for flat earthers too, no?

edit 2-

If you think Wikipedia is woke, then you must think Chatgpt is woke as well. They usually have the same views on most topics...

People are even calling science woke nowadays, so I guess we're just living in a weird timeline..

Brett Kavanaugh assassination plot - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Wikipedia posts misinformation like this page. The attempted murderer was a man not a woman, and was charged in all of his federal docs under his legal name (that has not been changed). Yet Wikipedia uses his fake name and she/her pronouns and pretends a woman did this crime.

What's even more upsetting is they have the audacity to do the same with male serial killers. The percentage of "female" serial killers is suddenly multiplied if you're searching under Wikipedia's gender identity nonsense.

 

[Riker Laforge]

Thank you for the AI generated post. Competition is still good. If grokipedia ends up being successful, it may likely end up improving Wikipedia in someway, which people are free to continue using.

Argument wasn't competition being bad. It's that he's fundamentally, not about being objective but an echo-chamber, which is verifiable by any metric, including AI, which itself is generally a better tool than Elon Musk.

If this ultimately highlights further what a fundamentally corrupt personality he is through competition, wonderful, he's now actually helping humanity rather than blowing up some tax payed rockets.

 

[violence]

Argument wasn't competition being bad. It's that he's fundamentally, not about being objective but an echo-chamber, which is verifiable by any metric, including AI, which itself is generally a better tool than Elon Musk.

If this ultimately highlights further what a fundamentally corrupt personality he is through competition, wonderful, he's now actually helping humanity rather than blowing up some tax payed rockets.

Well, we all have our biases I suppose but I think Twitter became less of an echo chamber once he took over. People can choose the least worst option.

 

[pachura]

I'm guessing it will start as totally unmoderated AI wild west - there will be entries saying that evolution is just a hypothesis, there are no definitive proofs of holocaust ever happening and that supporters of the flat Earth theory are badly treated by the mainstream media and not given voice.

Then Elon will find something offensive to him personally (like not being listed among the top Path of Exile 2 players) and will start fiddling with the content manually

 

[Idleyes]

The problem with AI right now is the same problem a lot of people online have, it doesn't go outside and touch grass.

 

[EviLore]

It's live:

Grokipedia

grokipedia.com

If anyone's curious to A:B test it against Wikipedia, could be interesting.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It's live:

Grokipedia

grokipedia.com

If anyone's curious to A:B test it against Wikipedia, could be interesting.

Tested it twice using Toronto Blue Jays.

The first query took 10 seconds and just made a list of Jays topics. I clicked one and nothing happened.

I then tried it again from scratch. Froze searching with all the grey rows, no results as it hung.

Decided to try a third time and got results like a wiki page.

Toronto Blue Jays

The Toronto Blue Jays are a Canadian professional baseball team based in Toronto. The Blue Jays compete in Major League Baseball (MLB) as a member club of the American League (AL) East Division. Since 1989, the team has played its home games primarily at Rogers Centre in downtown Toronto. The...

grokipedia.com

 

[jshackles]

Looked up a few things... it just pulled the data from Wikipedia, but stripped all of the links away. Kinda pointless as-is, but interesting to see where it might eventually go.

 

[Lord Panda]

It's live:

Grokipedia

grokipedia.com

If anyone's curious to A:B test it against Wikipedia, could be interesting.

I'm on the go right now, but I did a quick comparison on Kamala Harris, and Grok actually provides more context and detail about her tenure as DA. For instance, Wikipedia doesn't mention the tension between her office and the police union over her refusal to support the death penalty for the man who killed a San Francisco police officer.

 

[HoodWinked]

St. Floyd vs Reality.

 

[Zathalus]

St. Floyd vs Reality.

More like left biased vs right biased. Just read the first four lines of the Grok entry and how long it actually get to the most important facts about him, his murder, and the impact of it on the world. Opening an article about George Floyd and his criminal record is clearly agenda driven. As is stating the race of the police officer in the Wikipedia one.

 

[calico]

"Woman

A woman is an adult human female, the sex characterized by the production of large gametes known as ova and the anatomical organization for gestation and lactation.[1] In humans, sex is binary and immutable, determined primarily by the chromosomal complement where females possess two X chromosomes (XX), leading to the development of ovaries and associated reproductive structures including the uterus, fallopian tubes, and vagina."

Incredibly based and red-pilled.

 

[JimmyRustler]

I kinda like it. Missing pictures for now though. I'm sure that'll come too though eventually.

 

[Chittagong]

January 6 United States Capitol attack

The January 6 United States Capitol attack was a riot on January 6, 2021, in which supporters of President Donald Trump, protesting the certification of Joe Biden's 2020 election victory amid widespread claims of voting irregularities, breached security barriers and entered the U.S. Capitol...

grokipedia.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

Like night and day

 

[Paasei]

A.I. gives me too many trust issue's. It's just not good enough, yet. And I simply have a grudge against A.I. for no real reason. I just don't want it replacing my search engines and shit in my house.

 

[Newari]

Gamergate, can you guess the pedia groki vs wiki based on first paragraph?

Gamergate or GamerGate (GG)[1] was a loosely organized misogynistic online harassment campaign motivated by a right-wing backlash against feminism, diversity, and progressivism in video game culture.[2][3][4] It was conducted using the hashtag "#Gamergate" primarily in 2014 and 2015.[a] Gamergate targeted women in the video game industry, most notably feminist media critic Anita Sarkeesian and video game developers Zoë Quinn and Brianna Wu.

Gamergate was a grassroots online movement that emerged in August 2014, primarily focused on exposing conflicts of interest and lack of transparency in video game journalism, initiated by a blog post detailing the romantic involvement of indie developer Zoë Quinn with journalists who covered her work without disclosure.[1] The controversy began when Eron Gjoni, Quinn's ex-boyfriend, published "The Zoe Post," accusing her of infidelity with multiple individuals, including Kotaku journalist Nathan Grayson, whose article on Quinn's game Depression Quest omitted any mention of their prior personal contact.[2] This revelation highlighted broader patterns of undisclosed relationships and coordinated industry practices, such as private mailing lists among journalists, fueling demands for ethical reforms like mandatory disclosure policies.[3]

 

[EviLore]

Gamergate, can you guess the pedia groki vs wiki based on first paragraph?

Mm. Wikipedia version is too heavy on moralizing the events and taking sides, painting victims, rather than dispassionately and neutrally explaining as an encyclopedia entry should. Not a big fan of the GG movement as it operated back then as there was indeed a significant component of harassment and angry mob activity at various points, as Wikipedia points out, but that's not the entire truth of it. The Grokipedia version does an accurate job of explaining how it started without telling you how to feel.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

More like left biased vs right biased. Just read the first four lines of the Grok entry and how long it actually get to the most important facts about him, his murder, and the impact of it on the world. Opening an article about George Floyd and his criminal record is clearly agenda driven. As is stating the race of the police officer in the Wikipedia one.

Exactly this. Wikipedia is edited by people with mostly left-wing spin, Grok is feeding on right-wing Elon koolaid.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Gamergate, can you guess the pedia groki vs wiki based on first paragraph?

Anyone who still pretend Wikipedia is an unbiased source on anything is either lying or delusional

 

[Cyberpunkd]

Anyone who still pretend Wikipedia is an unbiased source on anything is either lying or delusional

I'm curious - are there still any reputable encyclopedias being sold? I just noticed Britannica is actually having an online encyclopedia, so I checked Goerge Floyd and boy oh boy:

George Floyd | Biography, Early Life and Struggles, Murder by Police, & Aftermath of Death | Britannica

George Floyd was a Black man whose videotaped death under the knee of a white police officer sparked protests in 2020, including some of the largest street demonstrations in U.S. history.

www.britannica.com

George Floyd (born October 14, 1973, Fayetteville, North Carolina, U.S.—killed May 25, 2020, Minneapolis, Minnesota) was a Black man whose videotaped death under the knee of a white police officer sparked protests in 2020, including some of the largest street demonstrations in U.S. history. Before his murder made him a global icon for racial justice, Floyd was an ordinary man whose hopes, strivings, and struggles highlighted the enduring power of racial injustice in America. His life began and ended in poverty, and his various attempts to escape his circumstances fell victim to both the insidious force of systemic racism and the unforgiving consequences of his own mistakes.

I think I would prefer either the Wikipedia or Grok entries of going directly to the (agenda pushing) points, instead of some sort of literary delusional writing.

 

[Chittagong]

I'm curious - are there still any reputable encyclopedias being sold? I just noticed Britannica is actually having an online encyclopedia, so I checked Goerge Floyd and boy oh boy:

George Floyd | Biography, Early Life and Struggles, Murder by Police, & Aftermath of Death | Britannica

George Floyd was a Black man whose videotaped death under the knee of a white police officer sparked protests in 2020, including some of the largest street demonstrations in U.S. history.

www.britannica.com

I think I would prefer either the Wikipedia or Grok entries of going directly to the (agenda pushing) points, instead of some sort of literary delusional writing.

An ordinary man with convictions for armed robbery, drug possession, and theft, as many ordinary men do

 

[DaciaJC]

I'm curious - are there still any reputable encyclopedias being sold? I just noticed Britannica is actually having an online encyclopedia, so I checked Goerge Floyd and boy oh boy:

George Floyd | Biography, Early Life and Struggles, Murder by Police, & Aftermath of Death | Britannica

George Floyd was a Black man whose videotaped death under the knee of a white police officer sparked protests in 2020, including some of the largest street demonstrations in U.S. history.

www.britannica.com

I think I would prefer either the Wikipedia or Grok entries of going directly to the (agenda pushing) points, instead of some sort of literary delusional writing.

Holy shit lol. Yeah, that's somehow worse than Wikipedia's article.

"Floyd was an ordinary man whose hopes, strivings, and struggles highlighted the enduring power of racial injustice in America."

This dude held up a pregnant woman at gunpoint during a home invasion. Yup, just your ordinary Black (with a capital B) man suffering from the deprivations of systemic racism.

 

[Hudo]

So this is just Wikipedia being run through Grok for "fact checking". And while Wikipedia might be biased (I mostly only use it for math articles, which are often actually fairly well written), Grok is, too. So you will just trade one opinion for another. What a waste of energy and resources

 

[Toots]

Is Musk so dumb as no to understand the problem isn't the tool but who's using it ?

This will be the same as wikipedia or any other source of information, useless if you mindlessly research things, great if you are careful about the sources cited.

 

[DKehoe]

Is Musk so dumb as no to understand the problem isn't the tool but who's using it ?

This will be the same as wikipedia or any other source of information, useless if you mindlessly research things, great if you are careful about the sources cited.

Yeh, but this way I get to pick the article that's most in line with what I already think. So I'm more likely to be told my natural assumptions are correct.

 

[dave_d]

This will be the same as wikipedia or any other source of information, useless if you mindlessly research things, great if you are careful about the sources cited.

Checking the sources will of course be very important. For example the article on burn pits used to list brain cancers as one of the suspected diseases caused by it. If you checked the reference it was to a NYT article where Joe Biden was claiming it. (It looks like that was a bridge to far for Wikipedia since now the article expressly mentions that it's Joe Biden claiming it.)

 

[poppabk]

So they just copied wikipedia verbatim, stripped out the images and applied a right wing filter to recent events and hot topics?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[TheInfamousKira]

Wikipedia in 2025 (probably from 2018 onwards or so) is biased, politically motivated propaganda bullshit lorded over by ex-Reddit mod power trippers who unironically fancy themselves Che Gueverra over editing online articles that weren't even fit for essay use in primary school fifteen years before woke-anything took off.

So, if it functions at all like advertised, it should reset the bias a bit. Hoping it isn't like...the conceptual opposite of modern way Wiki.
-article about gay dude killing himself
-wiki says it's because he's a victim of hate.
-groki says it's because he's a victim of hate from the beating he got after talking to kids.
-in actuality the dude isn't gay, and he didn't kill himself.

I just want an article that says "homie died, we don't know why, but it could be a, b, c or d. I don't want to receive pop up notifications asking me (for one time a year, six times) to donate in an attempt to assuage my white republican guilt.

 

[Unknown?]

Just tried it out on Eustace Mullins. Wikipedia smears him as antisemitic right off the bat(he's not), but Grok doesn't mention that.

Wikipedia is trash and I'm sure this won't be much better but with a direct competitor, maybe it will inspire drones to think for themselves and do research.

 

[AJUMP23]

I think what you want is a dissemination of facts and not a narrative. You can have information and then determine for yourself, that is better than having slanted narratives of events. You can talk about George floyd without making him a saint or a demon. You can state that Gamergate started because of game journalist corruption but also involved harassment as well, then also went to victimization by people trying to score political points from gamergate. The thing about these topics is that multiple things are true and not just one perspective is. But you can give actual facts and show what happened as opposed to a narrative. Floyd died of a drug overdose, that is true, the cop could have helped but was doing what he was trained to do.

 

[TheInfamousKira]

I think what you want is a dissemination of facts and not a narrative. You can have information and then determine for yourself, that is better than having slanted narratives of events. You can talk about George floyd without making him a saint or a demon. You can state that Gamergate started because of game journalist corruption but also involved harassment as well, then also went to victimization by people trying to score political points from gamergate. The thing about these topics is that multiple things are true and not just one perspective is. But you can give actual facts and show what happened as opposed to a narrative. Floyd died of a drug overdose, that is true, the cop could have helped but was doing what he was trained to do.

I think a lot of it is tied into ego, too. You can't get that self righteous dopamine hit if you just present facts in a list. These people aren't journalists. They're people (not to sound elitist, I fit in there, too) who essentially became literate through others editorialiizing every facet of their lives, thus disqualifying them from sharing a truly non biased narrative.

You can only write what you know. You can only see things with your two biased eyes. What we're really seeing is the gradual decay of skills and knowledge across the board. Everything is a copy of a copy. People need some type of pedagogue in life, but the farther the telephone game goes, the hazier the original information becomes.

You used to have, say for film, less talented people learning from and riffing off of Citizen Kane, or American Graffitti. Now you have less talented people riffing on the initial less talented group of people, on and on, until we're forced to rediscover fire.

 

[p_xavier]

And the slander begins.

 

[ChuckeRearmed]

As long as they don't a mecha-Hitler as a moderator, it won't have unfiltered truth.

 

[falconhoof]

Are the edit comments by humans? I don't see them attributed to anyone (though I'm not logged in)

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[Toons]

Isnt it gonna be sourcing 90% of its own stuff from Wikipedia itself lol

 

[Toons]

More like left biased vs right biased. Just read the first four lines of the Grok entry and how long it actually get to the most important facts about him, his murder, and the impact of it on the world. Opening an article about George Floyd and his criminal record is clearly agenda driven. As is stating the race of the police officer in the Wikipedia one.

Its amazing how a clearlt charged description of a man is called "neutral" and the guy above you didn't even percieve it because he agreed with the slant.

But the one that says he was a man who was killed by a cop and who's death sparked a wave of protests, all of which is factual and relevant information, is somehow making him a saint. The Wikipedia article doesn't even say he was a good person!

 

[Doomtrain]

And the slander begins.

So Wired is arguing that social media... doesn't influence people? Or rather, COULDN'T influence people? Riiiiiiiight.

 

[AJUMP23]

How to handle mistakes. What you have to do is have some curation, people are biased and idiots, so what may seem wrong may just be your own bias.

 

[poppabk]

How to handle mistakes. What you have to do is have some curation, people are biased and idiots, so what may seem wrong may just be your own bias.

Or just edit Wikipedia and wait for grokepedia to scrape it.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[P:axMagellanic]

*opens grokipedia*

'British empire' -first couple of seconds skimming it.

'Its enduring legacies include the widespread adoption of English as a global lingua franca, common law traditions, and parliamentary institutions in many former territories, contributing to relatively higher post-independence stability and growth in ex-British colonies compared to those of other empires.[10][11][12]'

Based, he's done it again!

 

[Zathalus]

That highlighted section on Grokipedia uses https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.06.06.25328995v1 as a source (44) for the findings.

You can read the paper yourself, and the Grok summary is wrong, simply because:

1. The study didn't conduct "surveys of virologists." - It performed a mixed-method meta-analysis of published scientific literature. Not a poll or survey.
2. It does not claim that "early dismissal of the lab leak" was conspiratorial or biased. - The paper acknowledges politicization of both sides (like US/China tensions), but it does not accuse scientists of concealing or biasing evidence at all.
3. Zero mention of "WIV collaborators" is made. - The paper's main focus is how geopolitical and media narratives influenced public perception, not some conspiracy laden scientific misconduct.
4. The paper literally emphasizes the opposite conclusion! - Quoted verbatim from the actual paper: "This body of evidence strongly supports a natural zoonotic origin for SARS-CoV-2. The genetic data, combined with ecological observations and epidemiological patterns, present a coherent picture of viral emergence through well-documented natural processes. While some gaps remain in our understanding of the exact transmission pathway, the overwhelming consensus from these segments points to bats as the original source, with subsequent adaptation to humans possibly facilitated by intermediate hosts in wildlife trade networks. "

"Grokipedia is clearly much more factual and unbiased", what a joke.

 

[poppabk]

That highlighted section on Grokipedia uses https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.06.06.25328995v1 as a source (44) for the findings.

You can read the paper yourself, and the Grok summary is wrong, simply because:

1. The study didn't conduct "surveys of virologists." - It performed a mixed-method meta-analysis of published scientific literature. Not a poll or survey.
2. It does not claim that "early dismissal of the lab leak" was conspiratorial or biased. - The paper acknowledges politicization of both sides (like US/China tensions), but it does not accuse scientists of concealing or biasing evidence at all.
3. Zero mention of "WIV collaborators" is made. - The paper's main focus is how geopolitical and media narratives influenced public perception, not some conspiracy laden scientific misconduct.
4. The paper literally emphasizes the opposite conclusion! - Quoted verbatim from the actual paper: "This body of evidence strongly supports a natural zoonotic origin for SARS-CoV-2. The genetic data, combined with ecological observations and epidemiological patterns, present a coherent picture of viral emergence through well-documented natural processes. While some gaps remain in our understanding of the exact transmission pathway, the overwhelming consensus from these segments points to bats as the original source, with subsequent adaptation to humans possibly facilitated by intermediate hosts in wildlife trade networks. "

"Grokipedia is clearly much more factual and unbiased", what a joke.

But it uses those references incorrectly to feed people their flawed opinions back to them. Success.